Is global warming real or a hoax?

[sashas]

whhat am I supposed to do? Fart less

that could help...

[GoPC]

Originally Posted by H2FC

Over the past 425,000 years, cool periods have coincided with times when the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere was lower. When there is less CO2 in the atmosphere, the greenhouse effect is reduced and the world cools. When there is more co2 the reverse is true and the world heats.

Look again at the "evidence" you are basing your assumptions one. While they certainly carry s similar pattern, laying the two graphs directly on top of one another CLEARLY SHOWS that temperature and CO2 rises were separated by many years (in some cases nearly 1500 years) that that CO2 increase ALWAYS FOLLOWED an increase in Global Temperature.

NOT THE OTHER WAY 'ROUND.

MMGW is a hoax and the people responsible for proliferating this hoax actually provide the proof of that hoax.

The real question here is do you WANT to believe we are killing the planet?

For some, the question is absolutely "YES". For many, it's a new Religion. For others, it's the path to financial or political gain. For others, they just want to believe in something... so this will do.

Whatever the reason, it's ridiculous and once you boil away all the hype, the fundamental argument of MMGW that "co2 causes Global Warming" is proven WRONG by the very same 425,000 years of data they use.

It's as simple as that folks. There's a lot of smoke and mirrors... alot of distraction, but the bottom line is that the CORE of their contention is flawed and THEY'VE proved that.

So can we believe ANYTHING they say?

No.

GoPC

[fab]

OK, GOPC, start flooding this section, just like the other side does.

[GoPC]

Nope... I said my peace.

GoPC

[H2FC]

Originally Posted by GoPC

Look again at the "evidence" you are basing your assumptions one. While they certainly carry s similar pattern, laying the two graphs directly on top of one another CLEARLY SHOWS that temperature and CO2 rises were separated by many years (in some cases nearly 1500 years) that that CO2 increase ALWAYS FOLLOWED an increase in Global Temperature.

NOT THE OTHER WAY 'ROUND.

MMGW is a hoax and the people responsible for proliferating this hoax actually provide the proof of that hoax.

The real question here is do you WANT to believe we are killing the planet?

For some, the question is absolutely "YES". For many, it's a new Religion. For others, it's the path to financial or political gain. For others, they just want to believe in something... so this will do.

Whatever the reason, it's ridiculous and once you boil away all the hype, the fundamental argument of MMGW that "co2 causes Global Warming" is proven WRONG by the very same 425,000 years of data they use.

It's as simple as that folks. There's a lot of smoke and mirrors... alot of distraction, but the bottom line is that the CORE of their contention is flawed and THEY'VE proved that.

So can we believe ANYTHING they say?

No.

GoPC

It would be helpful if you could tell us where you acquired all the scientific climate change education you have that allows you to override the assertions of over 90% of the worlds foremost top climate scientists. How many years of study do you have in this field and from where did you graduate?

Also, since you are rebuking the great majority of the qualified and respected climate scientist in the world where will you get the necessary majority peer review to back up your findings?

[GoPC]

Algore

GoPC

[tas38]

When foxnews run cra$ like this, and not one but 2 different shows with the morning news even. With out any thing from the other side, it's no wonder people think global warming is not a problem at all.

( Cooling Effect

A number of environmental experts now say that global temperatures have stopped rising — and that the earth is in fact cooling.

Jennifer Maro-Hasy, an Australian biologist and think-tank member says that even though carbon dioxide levels continue to rise that — "temperatures have actually been coming down over the last 10 years."

In an interview on an Australian radio station last week — Maro-Hasy was then asked if her claim was controversial. She replied — "no. The head of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has actually acknowledged it"

She also said that new data from a NASA satellite show that weather patterns are compensating for carbon dioxide emissions while limiting the greenhouse effect. She added — "the policy implications are enormous... I think people are still in shock at this point." )

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,341189,00.html

They was talking about his interview, I had to check on this so called expert as brit hume made it sound so real.

http://bootiack.livejournal.com/185428.html

[H2FC]

The average tempertures were exceptionally higher in 1998 because of the El Nino effect that year. The GW deniers who are continually looking for ways to discredit the truth of manmade climate change often use this year as a reference to argue later years as being much cooler even tho they were in fact much warmer on the average of previous years had it not been for the exceptionally warmer 1998 El Nino Year.

Globally, there is a warming trend of about 0.8C/1.44F since 1900, more than half of which has occurred since 1979. The great majority of the world's most respected climate scientists are still predicting the average global tempertures will continue to gradually rise in lock-step with the rise of co2 ppm in our atmosphere. The co2 will continue to rise until we develop and impliment a new clean energy industry and quit burning fossil fuels for energy.

[fab]

Originally Posted by tas38

When foxnews run cra$ like this, and not one but 2 different shows with the morning news even. With out any thing from the other side, it's no wonder people think global warming is not a problem at all.

( Cooling Effect

A number of environmental experts now say that global temperatures have stopped rising — and that the earth is in fact cooling.

Jennifer Maro-Hasy, an Australian biologist and think-tank member says that even though carbon dioxide levels continue to rise that — "temperatures have actually been coming down over the last 10 years."

In an interview on an Australian radio station last week — Maro-Hasy was then asked if her claim was controversial. She replied — "no. The head of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has actually acknowledged it"

She also said that new data from a NASA satellite show that weather patterns are compensating for carbon dioxide emissions while limiting the greenhouse effect. She added — "the policy implications are enormous... I think people are still in shock at this point." )

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,341189,00.html

They was talking about his interview, I had to check on this so called expert as brit hume made it sound so real.

http://bootiack.livejournal.com/185428.html

Environmental issues are extremely important, but it would be nice if you approached this topic scientifically, and not like a religion. If someone makes an invalid point, why belittle it, try disproving it. You really strengthen your opponents side.

Lowering pollutants like CO2 is one issue, and MMGW is another.

[GoPC]

You guys are UNREAL.

Anything... ANYTHING that doesn't add up to your dooms day scenario is immediately dismissed as rubbish.

It is nothing but a POLITICAL issue and like Politics, it's all smoke and mirrors designed by those seeking money and power.

Tas... you conveniently forgot to mention that the POINT of the conversation was the massive amount of at point data that has measured the temperature of the oceans in some 3000 different locations (Yes, THREE THOUSAND SAMPLES) around the globe showing NO or REDUCED temperatures virtually EVERYWHERE... SINCE 2003!!!

This is direct conflict with your god, Algore, and his cronies that point to the Ocean as a leading indicator and contributor of Global Warming.

Your also leaving out what The head of the NASA's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change was truly acknowledging... the effect of clouds (any effect in most models) on the climate and heat cycles.

And just yesterday, a long held "fact" that a species of frogs died off due to GW has been challenged based on the evidence that disease, not GW, killed off the line.

The point is this... you want SO BADLY for there to be GW. You NEED it, you are invested in it. It's like death is all you live for.

It's sick. Seek help.

MMGW is not FACT. It is not undisputed. In truth, the evidence shows it is not even happening. Climate Change is certainly occurring and has been since the beginning.

The Oil that you so quickly blame for your faux MMGW crisis, for instance, that we pull out of Alaska and Russia... that oil buried under all that ice and snow came from what? How about the oil under the sands of the middle east? How did that get there?

Your religion is falling apart. You need to come to terms with that. Seek help.

GoPC

[H2FC]

Originally Posted by fab

Lowering pollutants like CO2 is one issue, and MMGW is another.

MMGW (manmade globalwarming) and higher co2 levels is all the same issue. MMGW from burning fossil fuels is what's causing the higher Co2 and the higher Co2 is what's causing the MMGW.

Originally Posted by GoPC

MMGW is not FACT. It is not undisputed. In truth, the evidence shows it is not even happening. Climate Change is certainly occurring....GoPC

MMGW is fact to all but the die-hard deniers such as you who refuse to listen to the truth because of.........?????? I'll leave that up to everyone's guess.

To all that don't already know I want to point out that you have just recently started admitting that climate change is actually occurring and the earth is getting warmer. It won't be long before you will find a way to save face and start admitting the truth that mankind is causing it.

[fab]

MMGW (manmade globalwarming) and higher co2 levels is all the same issue. MMGW from burning fossil fuels is what's causing the higher Co2 and the higher Co2 is what's causing the MMGW.

Yes, I know, you totally missed the point. I'm talking about voluntary actions based upon pollution, not dependentant of MMGW.

MMGW is fact to all but the die-hard deniers such as you who refuse to listen to the truth because of.........?????? I'll leave that up to everyone's guess.

You definitely create anti-MMGW's with these kinds of statements.

To all that don't already know I want to point out that you have just recently started admitting that climate change is actually occurring and the earth is getting warmer. It won't be long before you will find a way to save face and start admitting the truth that mankind is causing it.

I don't read through all these threads thoroughly, but GoPC has stated numerous times his acceptance of GW, and not of MMGW. It seems like the Republicans & anti-MMGW have hired you & Tas.

[tas38]

( Tas... you conveniently forgot to mention that the POINT of the conversation was the massive amount of at point data that has measured the temperature of the oceans in some 3000 different locations (Yes, THREE THOUSAND SAMPLES) around the globe showing NO or REDUCED temperatures virtually EVERYWHERE... SINCE 2003!!! )

I did not forget anything, I post about foxnews running cra$ story's. I almost believed it and was getting mad, that I had been tricked into believing MMGWing. They had said the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, already admit it was true and made it sound as if it was big news.

Then I did a search on this Jennifer Maro-Hasy, and seen there is a big problem that experts have with her facts. And it was on brit humes show, then it was repeated on the morning new talk show. I have a big problem when foxnews puts news from a known nutcase, by other experts as if it was real big news. It only takes a few min to find this out, but yet they run the story on 2 of their top shows.

It also begs to ask, what other cra$ they are running. And as I pointed out, it's no wonder people believe there is no real global warming. I posted to their shorten part online, then a link to what they was talking about. It's not up to me to do all the research for everyone, that is up to them I did point out how foxnews run cra$ storys, as if they was real news is all.

If they want to run that kind of stuff as real news, then they should ad a disclaimer with it. But to me it is clear the people that run foxnews, want that junk news to believed by their viewers. And judging by some post here, the viewers want to believe the earth is now cooling. For what ever reason they think, that the world will jump on broad and forget about MMGW.

[GoPC]

Originally Posted by H2FC

MMGW is fact to all but the die-hard deniers such as you who refuse to listen to the truth because of.........??????

"The Facts"

"The Truth"

"The motivation of those preaching doomsday scenarios"

"Who's at the helm and the millions he's profiting from the hype"

"The 3000 deep sea probes that prove there is no warming in the oceans"

"The lies about Polar Bears, Frogs and other MMGW tragedies that have NOT occured"

"The fact that Algore himself shows that CO2 FOLLOWS a rise in temperature and then turns, tells you to your face that it's exactly OPPOSITE of his own data"

"The fact that the quote 'science' behind the MMGW models ignores or modifies the effects of clouds, sunspots and other pertinent data"

"The fact that any data the concludes OTHER than MMGW is violently and promptly dismissed... including their OWN findings.... if it doesn't meet their predetermined theories"

I could go on... but I think you get the picture.

Thanks for asking



GoPC

[rusty123]

Its a shame, the billions of dollars wasted on the global warming circus could of actually been used to plant trees, clean the enviroment, and find real solutions. After all these years of debate i see practically nothing achieved from there efforts.

[GoPC]

Originally Posted by rusty123

... i see practically nothing achieved from there efforts.

Not true... Algore has made tens of Millions!

GoPC

[H2FC]

Originally Posted by rusty123

Its a shame, the billions of dollars wasted on the global warming circus could of actually been used to plant trees, clean the enviroment, and find real solutions. After all these years of debate i see practically nothing achieved from there efforts.

There's been a lot achieved by those efforts Rusty. The alternative energy sector is booming right now... even the Bush adminstration can't stop it and God knows they've done everything they can against it. It will really explode with a new adminstration because whoever wins the office will assure its success. ALL candidates now running have vowed to fight manmade global warming.....note the ones who didn't make this vow are no longer in contention.

Originally Posted by GoPC

Not true... Algore has made tens of Millions!

GoPC

Whats the point of continuing to make a fool of yourself GoPC? Al Gore will have monuments built for him in recognition of his globalwarming work....and rightfully so. There's nothing the deniers like you can do to change the facts of globalwarming.....its happening and its history. Our weather changes will continue to prove mankind has and continues to cause our climate to change by burning fossil fuels for energy. Alternative energy technology will continue to improve and be implimented until we are completely off the dirty fossil fuels.

Here's the latest story on alternative energy/solar....there are many, many more from around the world mostly concerning new solar and wind projects..
2 big projects will amp up solar power in Southland California... http://www.latimes.com/business/la-f...,7774595.story