Is global warming real or a hoax?

[H2FC]

I think the low life naysaying vultures who pounce on everything Al Gore does or says are the ones without character. Gore was merely pointing out the predictions from the majority of the worlds most respected climate scientists that more powerful storms are likely to be associated with continued global warming. This is fact, its not what Al Gore says but what the professional people who are studing the GW problem have been predicting for years and now we're seeing the reality of it.

This year the Myanmar cyclone kills over 20,000 with another 40,000 missing and possibly dead. Last year the worst catastrophic storm in over a decade hit Bangladesh killing over 3,000 people and the year before the strongest cyclone in more than 50 years hit China. Anybody who thinks these gigantic killer storms are normal and ordinary are stupid fools in my opinion.

Another example of a persons stupidity is one who continually asserts the notion that Al Gore's investments in alternative energy projects are a way for him to line his pockets with cash at the expense of the GW believers. A rational thinking person can easily understand and appreciate someone who makes investments in clean energy. THATS WHAT WE NEED MORE OF!! Reread that sentence. Of course Gore invests his money in clean energy....what the hell do you expect him to do-invest in dirty oil and coal??

[GoPC]

Originally Posted by H2FC

I think the low life naysaying vultures who pounce on everything Al Gore does or says

Especially when it it so ridiculous, so transparent and so without soul.

Another example of a persons stupidity is one who continually asserts the notion that Al Gore's investments in alternative energy projects are a way for him to line his pockets with cash at the expense of the GW believers.

Except... this isn't the point... his point is pushing the agenda. He said NOTHING about alternative power, just that the Cyclone is Evidence of his crack-pot MMGW panic machine designed solely as a power and money grab.

It's plain and simple for people that can see past his BS. Obviously, not people like you.

Thanks for making it so clear.

GoPC

[H2FC]

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Originally Posted by GoPC

his point is pushing the agenda.

You must be the only one in the world who doesn't know what Al Gore's agenda is....let me enlighten you...ITS GLOBAL WARMING AWARENESS!

panic machine designed solely as a power and money grab.

What are you talking about? What do you mean by "power and money grab"? Gore was merely referring to what the climate scientists are in agreement with and have been for years...sceptic vultures like you continually try to twist the truth in any way you can to discredit Gore.

No problem....glad to point out your misconceptions of the truth....I must admit its gets a little boring sometimes....when are you gonna admit you are wrong about Gore and GW?

[000]

Originally Posted by H2FC

Last year the worst catastrophic storm in over a decade hit Bangladesh killing over 3,000 people and the year before the strongest cyclone in more than 50 years hit China.

Valid points, adding historical perspective by noting that Bangladesh had a bigger storm ~10 years ago and China had a stronger cyclone ~50 years ago. A biased pundit might downplay past extreme weather events and portray instead a more benign climate during those less industrialized times. Who would have guessed that massive storms raged during the 20th century? Good info, thanks.

[tas38]

( Not only it this disgusting to use the death of so many people to advance a political agenda, but to use it as an opportunity for "marketing" in order to continue lining his own pockets with CASH... is unforgivable. )

People could see you gopc as doing what you are claiming al gore is, first off al gore has no political agenda, as he is not running for any office or backing anyone running for any office. 2nd most experts is on al gores side on this matter, and all the super computer models are also on al gores side on it.

What even more all 3 runners for the white house, also are al gores side on this matter of man made global warming. And most of the world is also on al gores side on this matter, after all this kind of weather has been projected some time ago. Can they prove how much is normal, and how much is man made global warming.

No that is a pretty hard to do, but if you start seeing more stronger storms like this. Then at some point it's pretty much proves it, but we do know for a fact it keeps getting warmer. And the SEA's are also getting warmer, and that warmer weather brings worst and crazy weather with it.

Really people better get use to it and get ready for this to happening more and more, because it's going to happen more and more as it keeps getting warmer and warmer. You ever once stop to think gopc, that may be it really is man made global warming ???

[H2FC]

Originally Posted by 000

Valid points, adding historical perspective by noting that Bangladesh had a bigger storm ~10 years ago and China had a stronger cyclone ~50 years ago. A biased pundit might downplay past extreme weather events and portray instead a more benign climate during those less industrialized times. Who would have guessed that massive storms raged during the 20th century? Good info, thanks.

You've missed the intended point. Of course we've always had severe storms from time to time all around the world even before the industrial revolution but now the stronger more deadly storms are happening much closer together. This is what the climate scientists predicted would happen with manmade globalwarming and Al Gore, being the MMGW Awareness guy pointed out.

We would not be talking about this now had the GW skeptics not jumped on it like a bunch of vultures hoping to twist the truth into a pack of lies as they usually do.
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Here's a coal fired energy plant story...the subject of which we were talking about before we were diverted by the MMGW skeptic vulture lies...,

Sierra Club threatens suits over coal power plants
Tue May 6, 2008 7:32pm EDT

(Reuters) - The Sierra Club sent letters on Tuesday threatening to file suit to stop construction of eight coal-fired power plants in six states because, the environmental group claims, they violate the Clean Air Act.

"This is the first major ramification on the ground from the (Washington) D.C. circuit kicking out the Bush administration's rules in February," said Bruce Nilles, director of the Sierra Club's effort to stop coal power plants.

In February, a federal appeals court in Washington ruled that the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency violated the Clean Air Act in not setting mandatory cuts for mercury emissions of power plants.

The suits would be filed in the federal districts where the proposed power plants would be located, Nilles said. The suits would seek to require the plants to go back to state permitting agencies for new permits that meet the tougher emission standards, Nilles said.

Coal-fired power plants are the largest source of mercury emissions in the United States as well as 40 percent of U.S. carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions. CO2 is the by far the largest contributor to greenhouse gases that cause global warming.

Coal-fired power plants also are seen by most national politicians as essential because they make half the electricity used in the United States.

The Sierra Club said there are alternatives to coal power plants and that until capturing and sequestering carbon dioxide emissions is proven feasible and affordable, no more coal plants should be built.

Nilles said the Sierra Club has helped stop 63 of the 150 coal-fired power plants that were in the planning stages since 2002, including 31 last year.

"There are affordable technologies widely available today that can substantially reduce mercury and other toxic pollution," said Pat Gallagher, director of the Sierra Club's environmental law program. "In their rush to build new coal plants, developers have turned a blind eye to these technologies, and correspondingly the health of children everywhere."

About 30 coal-fired plants may be affected by the Sierra Club suits, Nilles said.

Owners of three plants under construction have already been notified of the intent to sue by the Sierra Club -- Entergy (ETR.N: Quote, Profile, Research) for a plant in Louisiana, Peabody Energy (BTU.N: Quote, Profile, Research) for a plant in Kentucky, and Louisiana Generating, a unit of NRG Energy (NRG.N: Quote, Profile, Research), for a plant in Louisiana.

Another eight letters were sent on Tuesday, for plants in Arizona, Georgia, Kentucky, North Carolina, Texas and Wyoming, the Sierra Club said. Among the plants involved are Duke Energy's (DUK.N: Quote, Profile, Research) Cliffside plant in North Carolina and Energy Future Holdings, formerly TXU Corp, for its proposed Oak Grove plant in Texas.

The Sierra Club said it is considering whether to send intent to sue letters to owners of a dozen more plants in Kentucky, Louisiana, Texas, Wyoming, Iowa, Massachusetts, Missouri, Nebraska, North Dakota, Pennsylvania and South Carolina. (Reporting by Bernard Woodall; Editing by Christian Wiessner)
http://www.reuters.com/article/bonds...080506?sp=true

[fab]

Originally Posted by GoPC

Gore claims today, that the Cyclone that killed so many people in Myanmar is a result of Global Warming.

Not only it this disgusting to use the death of so many people to advance a political agenda, but to use it as an opportunity for "marketing" in order to continue lining his own pockets with CASH... is unforgivable.

He blames it on the "rising ocean temperatures". I guess it doesn't matter that the MMGW wacko's are totally confused by the 300 independent data streams around the globe showing ocean temperatures FALLING and having not risen in quite a few years.

The point remainds... it was piss poor opportunity and Algore took it.

Leads to Character.... or lack thereof.

GoPC

It's called Man Made Global Welfare. It's a lot more respectable than conventional welfare.

[000]

Originally Posted by H2FC

Of course we've always had severe storms from time to time all around the world even before the industrial revolution but now the stronger more deadly storms are happening much closer together.

Oh, now I understand. Today's storms are stronger, more deadly and more frequent than earlier ones. Good to know that we've got our arms around those old weather records. It's amazing the stories tree rings and whaling ship logs tell. Peak intensity, spatial distribution, frequency, duration, wow! I thought that we only started to collect meaningful cyclone data via routine aircraft reconnaissance after WWII. Of course those missions didn't detect every big storm, but hey, the ones they missed only help the cause today. High detection rates in active cyclone belts of the eastern north Pacific and most of the southern hemisphere were not achieved until about 1970 when satellite coverage was in place. Thirty eight years ago, heck, the dinosaurs were probably still around, but why dicker over messy timelines. Better to push good policy now than wait for hard data to unfold. Thanks again.

[GoPC]

Originally Posted by tas38

People could see you gopc as doing what you are claiming al gore is

Really? What money am I making based on MMGW NOT being reality? What Political Power am I wielding because MMGW doesn't exist? What Multi-Billion Dollar business am I the head of that is capitalizing on totally normal Climate Change?

Yeah, you hit that one on the head.

first off al gore has no political agenda, as he is not running for any office or backing anyone running for any office.

Really... are you willing to bet on that? You don't think there is ANY Political Agenda here? Are you really that naive?

2nd most experts is on al gores side on this matter

Except the ones that aren't, of which there are many...

and all the super computer models are also on al gores side on it.

when they omit cloud effects, water vapor, sun activity, 300 independent temperature readings or any other data that affects the expected outcome negatively.

What even more all 3 runners for the white house, also are al gores side on this matter of man made global warming.

All three of which are total panderers to Democrat Liberal Agendas and have absolutely ZERO backbone. Like Algore, they are willing to say whatever it takes to gain power, influence and money and if they can get on the MMGW bandwagon to fill their personal needs, they will without hesitation. Algore is facilitating a group of people that are likely to enact rediculous laws and taxes that will do nothing but continue to line his pockets with cash for the rest of his life. Using laws for profit is Politics at its best and Algore is manipulating the system in amazing ways.

And most of the world is also on al gores side on this matter, after all this kind of weather has been projected some time ago. Can they prove how much is normal, and how much is man made global warming.

THANK YOU!!! You've finally understood the issue... NO THEY CANT prove how much is what. And while they are NOT able to prove it, they want to CHARGE YOU and tax you and limit your freedoms and stop progress on a "hunch" that they admittedly have NO PROOF to support.

Again, that's Politics.

And the SEA's are also getting warmer

While 300 studies show that it is in fact COOLING. But like Algore and he's legions of blind scientists, you just don't want to see that, do you?

You ever once stop to think gopc, that may be it really is man made global warming ???

Actually I have done ALOT of thinking... and that the facts are these: There are NO facts. There is speculation and a lot of it. There is debate and a lot of it. There are conflicts and a lot of it. In the end, paying taxes and fines and punishing people for something that NOBODY has ANY certainly of... is ridiculous. Worse than that, using the Press and Doomsday Stories to further the negative Political attitude around the World about normal climate change is nothing less than theft.

It doesn't matter that you WANT it to be true. It doesn't matter that you bought into the proposed explanations.

What matters is that you and your kind are promoting action based on unfounded facts (or guesswork) that purposely and specifically omits data that contradicts the expected conclusions for financial gain.

That is the Legal Definition of FRAUD.

Which is what MMGW is and what Algore is responsible for.

GoPC

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Global warming is real.... with all of the hack and burn methods occurring in the rain forest depletion, the pollution, and the trends of the earth... its happened before. We are just speeding up the process.

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[000]

20 Deadliest Tropical Cyclones in World History - source: wunderground

1) Bhola cyclone, Bangladesh (East Pakistan), 1970. Death toll: 550,000.
2) Hooghly River cyclone, India and Bangladesh, 1737. Death toll: 350,000.
3) Haiphong typhoon, Vietnam, 1881. Death toll: 300,000.
4) Coringa cyclone, India, 1839. Death toll: 300,000.
5) Backerganj cyclone, Bangladesh, 1584. Death toll: 200,000.
6) Great Backerganj Cyclone, Bangladesh, 1876. Death toll: 200,000.
7) Chittagong cyclone, Bangladesh, 1897. Death toll: 175,000.
8) Super Typhoon Nina, China, 1975. Death toll: 171,000.
9) Cyclone 02B, Bangladesh, 1991. Death toll: 140,000.
10) Great Bombay Cyclone, India (from the Arabian Sea), 1882. Death toll: 100,000.
11) Hakata Bay Typhoon, Japan, 1281. Death toll: 65,000.
12) Calcutta, India, 1864. Death toll: 60,000.
13) Swatlow, China, 1922. Death toll: 60,000.
14) Barisal, Bangladesh, 1822. Death toll: 50,000.
15) Sunderbans coast, Bangladesh, 1699. Death toll: 50,000.
16) Bengal Cyclone, Calcutta, India, 1942. Death toll: 40,000.
17) Canton, China, 1862. Death toll: 37,000.
18) Backerganj (Barisal), Bangladesh, 1767. Death toll: 30,000.
19) Barisal, Bangladesh, 1831. Death toll: 22,000.
20) Great Hurricane, Lesser Antilles Islands, 1780. Death toll: 22,000.

Cyclone Nargis, 2008, may find its way onto the top-10 list.
Tragic numbers, every one, but it would be a stretch to blame big oil for these. Maybe big whale oil ...

[tas38]

( Really? What money am I making based on MMGW NOT being reality? What Political Power am I wielding because MMGW doesn't exist? What Multi-Billion Dollar business am I the head of that is capitalizing on totally normal Climate Change? )

You missed my point all together here, it's that you are jumping on al gore using the people deaths, to make his point about MMGW and you are using them to make a point about MMGW be leavers. Get it ???

While it's hard to prove such things as how much is MMGW, and how much is normal weather, we must keep in mind that by the time it is proved 100%. It will be much to late to do anything to save people, of course it had crossed my mind some non MMGW be leavers. May well think a few 100 million 3rd world people, being wipped out is a good thing.

I have a problem with taxing people, I've said that they need laws not taxes to fight MMGW. Coal I also be leave needs to capture CO2, and that all new power plants need to do that. Even the coal to fuel plants need to do that, but the USA gov't needs to back it now. They will not put the investments into capturing CO2, unless they know they will be able to recoup the funds.

One of the biggest problems right now, is that over the top MMGW be leavers want to stop all coal. They need to stop the day dreaming, and push capture techs instead of no coal at all. They also need to stop pushing taxing CO2, and start pushing passing laws to get fighting MMGW. They also need to stop pushing higher oil prices as good, these things scare most people my self as well.

We all need to get resonable here, and start working on finding ways to cut CO2 and stopping it. And making it so the markets can pay for it and even save people money, make many new jobs and help speed this all up. We are now at the point, that everyone needs to work together. And stop making things so single minded, we will never get this done, unless we start looking at this whole thing as a stepping stone.

There no way we are not going to fight MMGW, and there is no way we will stop all CO2 right away. This is all about finding the middle ground, that everyone can agree on and get behind. That good for everyone and the markets, it makes and saves people money, and well it will makes us all feel better about it and our selfs. And will surely help our one and only earth, and give us renewable resources that everyone wants and needs.

[fab]

You missed my point all together here, it's that you are jumping on al gore using the people deaths, to make his point about MMGW and you are using them to make a point about MMGW be leavers. Get it ???

While it's hard to prove such things as how much is MMGW, and how much is normal weather, we must keep in mind that by the time it is proved 100%. It will be much to late to do anything to save people, of course it had crossed my mind some non MMGW be leavers. May well think a few 100 million 3rd world people, being wipped out is a good thing.

Since it's hard to prove, he shouldn't use it as an example. The major problem with the
Man Made Global Welfare believers,a re they are distracting any possibility of making any functional change.

Just think how many Hybrid cars Al Gore could have purchased for $300M. Think about the amount of gas savings, in terms of presnt financial savings, future financial savings and lower emisions.

[GoPC]

Originally Posted by tas38

You missed my point all together here, it's that you are jumping on al gore using the people deaths, to make his point about MMGW and you are using them to make a point about MMGW be leavers. Get it ???

It is just plain rude and disrespectful to use such a tragedy to stand up a political power play. I'm not using them to make a point about MMGW believers (not "be leavers")... Algore shows us every day what lows he's willing to stoop to for money.

I'm simply saying that even algore has access to tact and respect. The fact he chooses NOT to use it, is representative of his character and motivation.

My comment had nothing to do with the fact that MMGW is hype... it's about Algore and his choices.

Try and keep up.

While it's hard to prove such things as how much is MMGW, and how much is normal weather, we must keep in mind that by the time it is proved 100%. It will be much to late to do anything to save people, of course it had crossed my mind some non MMGW be leavers.

Oddly enough, that same kind of thinking was the foundation of Hitler's concern about Jews. It's what motivates the Islamic extremists. It's what caused the Crusades. It's why we went in to Iraq.

It's the SAME argument... just fill in the blanks.

GoPC

[fab]

Oddly enough, that same kind of thinking was the foundation of Hitler's concern about Jews. It's what motivates the Islamic extremists. It's what caused the Crusades. It's why we went in to Iraq.

I agree with the main point, but don't like the extremist examples. While corrupt financial motivation as is being done in MMGW, is wrong and bad. It still doesn't compare with genocide.