Is global warming real or a hoax?

[Doc Com]

As in any political debate, there seems to be quite a bit of partisanship going on here in the states.

On one side of the table we have the democrats and their supporters lining up with Al Gore saying it needs to be fixed.

On the opposite side of the table, we have George W. Bush and his supporters claiming global warming is a hoax and if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

It would be nice to hear from those members who are libertarians, independents, from foreign nations to get more points of view.

Thank you.

[draggar]

It is both and over-hyped.

Yes, the Earth is warming but we're basing this study on only about 150 years of research, the environment has been around a lot longer. We've seen fossils of tropical plants in the Arctic circle meaning it was warm there once before, without humans' help.

The Earth has gone though, and will continue to go though, natural warming and cooling periods. It has for billions of years and will continue to.

Volcanoes warm and cool the earth, the earth gets closer and further from the sun...

BUT---

We're not helping it. Chopping down major balance systems like the Amazon jungle, throwing pollution into the air isn't helping either.

[H2FC]

Yes, the earth has gone thru many periods of warming and cooling/freezing that has totally changed our world from time to time. Climate science research has found that each time the earth warmed co2 was present in the atmosphere in large quantity. This period of warming over the last 150 years or so is different in that the scientists can actually see and measure the excessive build-up of co2 and other greenhouse gases as its being produced by mankind. The continued and steady accumulation of excessive GHG in our thin shell atmosphere in large quantity has been proven and undisputed by any scientific study.

It's widely accepted and agreed by the vast majority of the world's most respected and foremost scientists that unless this is halted or at least harnessed to a great extent our world will be disastrously changed in less than 100 years. We cannot sit idly by and let this continue to happen.

In other words by doing nothing we are cooperating with and allowing our one and only beautiful planet to be destroyed by the greedy fossil fuel individuals, organizations, and governmental leaders who would put their monetary welfare ahead of everything else. We MUST speak out against this and STOP destroying our planet.

[Banned: denny007]

Recently is toughest winter in China in 50 years. In subtropical Shanghai had at least 20cm of snow. Its time to cancel global warming and start warn about global cooling...

[sashas]

I would like to believe its not true, but then, fact is, with all the pollution, environmental wastes we humans produce, there is bound to be some consequences.

For 4 billion years, the environment was used to disposing off just biological waste; dinosaurs didn't ride around in cars.

But then, all of a sudden, within a span of 150 years, the environment had to take care of man made wastes, artificial substances not found in nature - plastics, nuclear wastes, etc., stuff it wasn't used to disposing off. That HAS to have some consequences, some environmental fatigue which would manifest itself in some form.

Even then, I don't think its as alarming as its made out to be. Its bad, but not AS bad as many would like to believe.
But if it wasn't hyped up so much, we wouldn't be doing anything about it either. Its a double edged sword.

[Focus]

Originally Posted by denny007

Recently is toughest winter in China in 50 years. In subtropical Shanghai had at least 20cm of snow. Its time to cancel global warming and start warn about global cooling...

This is one of the effects of global warming...it's not just about things being warm it's about a climate shift with very harsh extremes due to our effect on our environment. We are surely destroying our planet and it sucks, chalk up another point for mankind & "success"

[fab]

Yes, this has been a freezing winter!

[H2FC]

Originally Posted by Focus

This is one of the effects of global warming...it's not just about things being warm it's about a climate shift with very harsh extremes due to our effect on our environment. We are surely destroying our planet and it sucks, chalk up another point for mankind & "success"

Thank you Chris....its nice to see someone else echoing what I've been saying all along on the GW threads. GW does cause extremes in the weather, droughts, rain, snow, heat and cold. The big difference in the heat and cold is that while the cold may be severe it doesn't last near as long as it used to.....but the warm season lasts a lot longer than normal. I suppose it would be best to call it climate change instead of globalwarming.

I think its called globalwarming because that's what's actually happening over the average periods of time.....the planet is heating up on the average and that higher average heat is what will cause the most damage. As the ice caps melt the sea levels will rise. We already have measureable rises right now over the last 100 years but its expected by scientists we will get several feet of sea level rise this century if we don't curtail the use of fossil fuels for energy. If that happens the major coastal cities in Florida and the Floridakeys will be under water as will most all other coastal areas in the world.

I hope and pray mankind will come to their senses and stop this pending destruction of our one and only planet before its too late.

[Ed30]

Originally Posted by H2FC

Climate science research has found that each time the earth warmed co2 was present in the atmosphere in large quantity.

That's rubbish. Evidence please?

[robmac]

Hoax - temps go up and down / peak and troughs etc. been happening over millions of years. that is the only scientific proof. aprt from that there is no general proof that we are doing it

[Focus]

So all the energy and heat we generate, where do you think it goes?

[robmac]

and that also has been happening for millions of years - its still no proof. Remember a little documentary by Al Gore - His butt was kicked as the stats etc ( and proof was incorrect ).

The Sun "generates" more heat and energy where do you think it goes

PS. lets kill all the cows on the planet first - that would help a bit

[Focus]

and that also has been happening for millions of years

really,millions huh? from humans the last few hundred years? LMAO

fyi - the ozone layer, or whats left of it protects us from the harmful effects of the sun...which is what you are missing here genius

[sdsinc]

Sashas has explained well in layman's terms why anyone with half a brain should be concerned about what we are doing to our planet.
GW is just one byproduct of pollution, just like the holes in the ozone layer. But the naysayers are still blind and deaf That won't save you.
While healthy skepticism on scientific grounds is a good thing, denial is suicidal.

[H2FC]

Originally Posted by H2FC

Climate science research has found that each time the earth warmed co2 was present in the atmosphere in large quantity. This period of warming over the last 150 years or so is different in that the scientists can actually see and measure the excessive build-up of co2 and other greenhouse gases as its being produced by mankind.

Originally Posted by Ed30

That's rubbish. Evidence please?

You need to do a little research on your own before you start calling what others post "rubbish". You can easily find a lot of info proving Co2 and higher tempertures go hand in hand if you'll take the time to look for it instead of watching and listening to the tv and radio GW deniers who make a living publicizing GW naysaying garbage.

Over the past 425,000 years, cool periods have coincided with times when the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere was lower. When there is less CO2 in the atmosphere, the greenhouse effect is reduced and the world cools. When there is more co2 the reverse is true and the world heats.

You can start your research by reading the info and studying the graph on this site... http://www.seed.slb.com/en/scictr/wa...causes_co2.htm

[Focus]

Smoke weed while you can..the end is near!

[cursal]

Worth a read,
Hansen is arguably the world's leading researcher on global warming. He's the head of NASA's top institute studying the climate. But as correspondent Scott Pelley first reported last spring, this imminent scientist says that the Bush administration is restricting who he can talk to and editing what he can say. Politicians, he says, are rewriting the science.

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And even if you don't believe in global warming wouldn't you rather err on the side of caution when it comes to the earth. Instead of saying oops!