GOP Debates for 2012 Elections

[Raider]

When you say buddies, you must mean campaign donors like Solyndra who ripped the tax payers off to the tune of over half a BILLION Dollar.. Obama has plenty of those buddies, or should I say "had" for the ones who have been caught?

Today, Obama visited his favorite ATM State to take out another cash withdrawal from the idiots in Hollywood... Cost was in the area of $35,000 per plate, They closed down so many streets today that businesses lost Millions in revenue, we'll have a better estimate how much money businesses lost in the next couple days. Most people stayed home from work because they didn't want to deal with the gridlock he was going to cause, so they too lost money while Obama stuffed his pockets.

If President Obama does or does not get re elected, it is a long way from being over.

I don't see him being re-elected and neither does his own party. YES, his own party is looking for other candidates to run against him in 2012;

Some frustrated Democrats want to see Obama primary challenge
By Molly K. Hooper - 09/15/11 05:15 AM ET

Some frustrated Democrats in Congress are saying that a primary challenge to President Obama would be a good thing, but others maintain it would only help the GOP.

Rep. Peter DeFazio said a primary would “push the president and his advisers a bit … to give us back the candidate we had three years ago.”

The Oregon Democrat pointed out that some of his colleagues in the House Democratic Caucus agree with him, but he declined to name names.

“It’s a common refrain, and it’s certainly common in my district among Democrats [because] they want the guy back that they voted for,” DeFazio said.

Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) told The Hill a challenge “would be healthy for the party.” The two-time presidential hopeful added that he will not be running against Obama; Kucinich announced this week that he will seek reelection in 2012, setting up a showdown with Rep. Marcy Kaptur (D-Ohio).

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Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), who caucuses with Senate Democrats and is a critic of Obama’s payroll tax cut extension, has recently spoken out in favor of a primary challenge.

In July, Sanders called Obama “weak” in dealing with Republicans, adding: “I think it would be a good idea if President Obama faced some primary opposition.”

Consumer activist and former presidential contender Ralph Nader is looking to recruit a liberal to run against Obama, whose approval ratings have hit record lows.

Nader, in an interview with The Hill earlier this summer, said that “it’s almost 100 percent sure there’s going to be a primary challenge to Obama from somebody or somebodies — plural — in some states.”

Read more; http://thehill.com/homenews/house/18...ama-challenged

[500,000]

When you say buddies, you must mean campaign donors like Solyndra who ripped the tax payers off to the tune of over half a BILLION Dollar.. Obama has plenty of those buddies, or should I say "had" for the ones who have been caught?

I should not say too much about Obama, its about the GOP Candidates.

Were is all that money that was to be repaid back to the US tax payers? The Bank Bail outs, GM and Chrysler. That was a Huge amount of cash, Why did congress raise the debit ceiling when all that money is coming back...with interest? Did we lose that too?

[Raider]

Were is all that money that was to be repaid back to the US tax payers? The Bank Bail outs, GM and Chrysler.

This is the TARP money Father Gerry AKA Doc Con said George Bush blew during his Administration, I completely agree that TARP bailouts should of never been granted to banks or GM. Chrysler during either administration... But some of that money was in FACT paid back.

You wont hear that from Father Gerry though, he makes NO mention of the $68 BILLION that was paid back by the banks.
http://money.cnn.com/2009/06/09/news...es/banks_tarp/

Now what the Obama administration did with that $68 BILLION is a question you'll have to ask him, and while your at it, please ask the good Father where the $787 BILLION dollars went from the Job stimulus money, Wait, let me correct that, $782 BILLION dollars, We already know that $5 BILLION dollars went to his campaign contributors at Solyndra.


Getting back to the OT, Our good friend South posted that Cain won the recent Florida straw poll and I never got a chance to congratulate Mr. Cain

Congratulations Mr. Herman Cain on your Victory sir!


Herman Cain wins Presidency 5 straw poll
By Marc Caputo, Alex Leary and Michael C. Bender, Times/Herald Staff Writers
In Print: Sunday, September 25, 2011

ORLANDO — From the bottom of the polls to the top of the pack, businessman Herman Cain won a surprise victory at the Republican Party of Florida's nationally watched presidential straw poll Saturday in a sign that front-runner Rick Perry is in deep trouble.

Cain's landslide victory, with 37 percent of the vote, exceeded the combined total for Perry and Mitt Romney, who only garnered 15 percent and 14 percent, respectively.

But it was a particularly stinging defeat for Perry, the front-runner in Florida and national polls. He had wooed the nearly 3,000 party faithful with fliers before the Presidency 5 weekend and a free breakfast Saturday.

"Folks, this is what you call momentum," Cain, the former CEO of Godfather's Pizza, said in a video message from his campaign bus. "The Herman Cain train is picking up steam."

The vote also showed how soft Republican support is for Romney. Unlike Perry, though, he avoided schmoozing the voters.


9 Republican candidates, 8 White, 1 Black, and the Black man wins...hmm

Who was it that said Republicans were racist's again?

[Mike Cruz]

This is hilarious.... Doc Cum or Doc Con or whatever his name is, actually believes I sent PM's to everyone in this thread who disagreed with him and Zurc... He cant accept the fact that he's on the losing side of this issue, It's eating him up that others are in agreement with my view on this issue and not with his, that he CANT accept... He's frustrated that his "Feel sorry for the poor children" SPIN tactic hasn't worked and that nobody other than his puppet Zurc have come to his defense.

Lol, you do realize, LOL... 500,000 is the actual puppet in all this? He's like a pathetic little dog chasing you around with his beyond mental comments and suggestions. And when you say "everyone" and "others" are you referring to Domainace? Because that is really the only person who is in agreement with you. I guess you can say 500,000 is too, but everyone knows half the things he spews on here is a result of mix medication and booze.

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Here's one child who wont be going to Texas colleges or universities anytime soon.

I love how you act like your children were dying to go to Texas A&M... and if they really did, how they won't be able to go. This is all a story you are fabricating in your demented mind.... You just don't want them going because their is going to be too many Mexicans around.... come on.... get it out!

[Gerry]

Lol, you do realize, LOL...

Laughing my ass off because of all that I wrote, that is all she is focused on.

Small minds.

Again, failing to miss the big picture.

As for being on the end of a losing argument, how so? It appears I am on the side of the Texas legislature that passed the law and a Texas governor who signed the bill into law. Again, I am not a Rick Perry fan but I do like this law.

The loser here are those who wanted to being race into the picture and end up looking like baboons picking lice off each other by presenting such pitiful arguments and points.

The simple fact that NO ONE IS LOSING an education, none of the poor lil' white childrens are losing an eduction to the lil brown child and TEXAS IS NOT SUBSIDIZING an education because the college aged kids STILL HAVE TO PAY FOR COLLEGE.

And yes, this law also affects the kids in the elementary and junior levels as it allows those children to go to school and even eat at the same tables as the lil' lily white childrens. EGAD!

Would you care to even guess why Perry is AGAINST building a fence along the border?

[Raider]

I love how you act like your children were dying to go to Texas A&M... and if they really did, how they won't be able to go.

Is that I wrote or indicted? Wow... You really don't read do you?, or maybe you do and you just don't comprehend, yeah that must be it.

One thing is obvious in this thread, you and DocCon are for giving illegal aliens a $10,000 a year discount on their college tuition while legal citizens pay the full boat, $17,000 a year on average. You might think that's fair, but I think that's f*cked up.

NOBODY in this entire thread OTHER than you two donkeys think this is right.

Not much else to say... Oh wait, there is; If there ever comes a time somebody needs a brain transplant, I hope they choose yours, Really. What better brain to have than one that's never been used?

You just don't want them going because their is going to be too many Mexicans around.... come on.... get it out!

Race Bating has always been your strong suit... Is this the best you can do?

[Mike Cruz]

Is that I wrote or indicted? Wow... You really don't read do you?, or maybe you do and you just don't comprehend, yeah that must be it.

One thing is obvious in this thread, you and DocCon are for giving illegal aliens a $10,000 a year discount on their college tuition while legal citizens pay the full boat, $17,000 a year on average. You might think that's fair, but I think that's f*cked up.

NOBODY in this entire thread OTHER than you two donkeys think this is right.

Not much else to say... Oh wait, there is; If there ever comes a time somebody needs a brain transplant, I hope they choose yours, Really. What better brain to have than one that's never been used?

Just going to quote this and say... if you are going to accuse someone of not reading, you might want to read yourself.

That is all, have a blessed day and I will will pray for you and your children.

[Raider]

As for being on the end of a losing argument, how so? It appears I am on the side of the Texas legislature that passed the law and a Texas governor who signed the bill into law. Again, I am not a Rick Perry fan but I do like this law.

So because they passed a law, it makes it right?

OK then, If we use this same logic... This must mean the Arizona Immigration Law was JUST, that it was the right law, a law that you were 100% opposed to..

I'll have to dig that thread up, he was on the losing of this one too, cried like a sissy when nobody agreed with him.

[Gerry]

Snap! It's like on cue. Deflect, deflect, deflect.

[500,000]

Herman Cain Leads Republican Field In Zogby Poll / 09-27-2011

A new Zogby poll puts Herman Cain​ at the top of the Republican field, as the top choice of 28% of poll respondents. (IBOPE Zogby International says the polling sample consists of “all likely voters and of likely Republican primary voters.”)
Rounding out the top three are Rick Perry at 18%, and Mitt Romney at 17%. Fourth place goes to Ron Paul at 11%. Paul’s the most solid performer in Zogby’s polling history for the 2012 GOP race – his 11% might as well be chiseled in stone.
Interestingly, this poll was conducted after the Orlando GOP debate, but before Cain won the Florida straw poll. It’s a huge surge for Cain, who was polling at 12% just two weeks previously, and was floating at a campaign low of 8% two weeks before that. Aside from that bitter 8% number, Cain has generally done quite well in the Zogby poll, usually good enough for second or third place.
On the other hand, Rick Perry’s numbers in the Zogby poll have cratered, falling 19% in just two weeks. His debut last month was also his high-water mark thus far, when Zogby had him at 41%.
Michelle Bachmann has also been slipping steadily, chugging in at 4%. That puts her just below Jon Huntsman, which is the same way she finished the Florida straw poll. Bachmann was actually the leading candidate in Zogby’s polling from June 21 through July 25… then she plunged to 9% in the next poll and continued sliding down from there.
Romney’s been holding fairly steady in the Zogby poll. He bounces a few points up and down, but seems to hover in the 15-17% range.
Zogby’s also got President Obama’s approval rating at 42%, with 57% disapproval. That’s actually a bit better than his September 5 low of 39-61. His poor approval numbers seem to hold fairly steady, while his disapproval bounces around.
As always with poll news, the usual caveats apply: it’s one poll, it might be an outlier, Zogby’s accuracy has been questioned in the past, et cetera. Still, these numbers reflect the general shape of the race pretty well: Perry started big but fizzled fast, Romney’s been playing a careful game built around damage control, Paul’s got a loyal following but can’t reach beyond it.
I’d have guessed Cain would rank a bit lower than his Zogby numbers until now, but he had one of the best weekends a candidate could ask for in Orlando, and Zobgy’s poll is telling us the same thing the Florida straw poll did. It will be interesting to compare the first batch of polls from various sources to reflect that straw poll, and Cain’s reaction to it.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=46473

[Gerry]

Just going to quote this and say...

Yes, do quote it. It seems like the US Supreme Court also agrees with us (or, us with them) in a 1982 decision. The state of Texas in 2001 felt it was only right to offer the chance to extend that education beyond grades K-12. Imagine that...finding a whole new market to charge for tuition that will help the state coffers.

[Bill F.]

The loser here are those who wanted to being race into the picture and end up looking like baboons picking lice off each other by presenting such pitiful arguments and points.

I absolutely agree

[Gerry]

I have to check my computer settings or see if I have an auto fill program running in the background.

Seeing too many words that are misspelled (ie, being when I wanted to type bring).

My tablets do that (try to be intuitive and automatically give you suggestions for words).

Other than my usual dyslexia, these words auto-insert can be damn annoying.

[500,000]

Rick Perry, Southern Democrat?

Jennifer offers this hypothesis:

Another explanation is that he is a classic Southern Democrat from the 1980s. His social views are conservative, but he thrives on pork. He’s not neither in favor of free markets, nor is he anti-business; in fact, he’s very cozy with big-money donors. There is a philosophy of sorts here, an instinctive populism. But it’s not one that would, as the Tea Partyers demand, go after special interests with abandon, get cronyism out of government or insist politicians adhere to strict ethical standards on conflicts of interest.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archive...n-democrat.php

[Raider]

Still waiting for an answer from the HYPOCRITE Sanctus Anus AKA Doc Con who is "Deflecting" away from answering;

I'll ask again;

As for being on the end of a losing argument, how so? It appears I am on the side of the Texas legislature that passed the law and a Texas governor who signed the bill into law. Again, I am not a Rick Perry fan but I do like this law.

So because they passed a law, it makes it right?

OK then, If we use this same logic... This must mean the Arizona Immigration Law was JUST, that it was the right law, a law that you were 100% opposed to..


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He says he's not a Rick Perry fan but here he is using the same bullshit lines Rick Perry used in the debate about the Texas Legislature approving it, He's even resorting to the "I don't think you have heart" argument referring to young children being denied an education. This must really fly in the face to the thousands of out of State students who worked their butt off to pay for their own college education, without Government assistance.

And this is not just about Illegal Aliens getting a $10,000 discount at the expense of the tax payers, It's also about not extending the SAME discounts to American citizens from other states.

Seriously, who gives a crap if the State legislature approved it or if the Governor signed it? how does that make it right? It's a question only Rick Perry and "Sanctus Anus" can answer.

I absolutely agree

He's knows Biggedon was the one who brought Race into this discussion and here he is calling him a Loser and a Baboon who's presented pitiful arguments.. I would agree with only the latter, I actually have a lot of respect for Biggedon, I agree with a lot of what he posts on this Forum with the exception of politics.. He's a good person with good character and has far more intellectual honesty than most people who post in this section, and that I respect, what I don't respect is branding an entire group of people Racists.

I think were all sick and tired of the race bating by members like Doc and Zurc who use the race card as a means to win arguments... Insinuating members are Racists simply because we disagree with a President who happens to be black is a despicable tactic. Is Doc not intelligent enough to win the argument on merit alone?, obviously NOT. This is what losers do, When he called someone a loser and a baboon, he may as well of been referring to himself.

And it's interesting to note that Doc was the first to associate Illegal Aliens with Hispanics in this thread, followed by Zurc.. Nobody else did that.
http://www.dnforum.com/f254/gop-deba...ml#post2041670

Seems that only he and Zurc think Hispanics are Illegal Aliens in this country.

I have to check my computer settings or see if I have an auto fill program running in the background.

Yep, blame the computer, The mistake could not of possibly of been committed by you. your far too perfect for something like that to happen. What's the next mistake? Blame your dogs for voting for Obama?

[H2FC]

I am sick of Raider. I am sick of her continuing to verbally assualt the President of The United States and the Democratic Party he belongs to. I am sick of Raider continuing to lie and then criticize every post that doesn't support her. I am sick of her verbally assualting every fellow member in this forum who doesn't agree with her. Raider will not change because she obviously enjoys the conflict and discontent she creates. She feeds off ot it like a piranha.

I propose we all ignore everything she posts. Just ignore her, don't respond to her ramps and ravings and she will eventually go away. I believe that being ignored is one thing she can't cope with and ignoring her is the only real tool we have to shut her up. When she opens a new thread don't even click on it because she loves to count the number of members who read her delusional opinions.


Just completely ignore her and don't even refer to her in any post you make. She will go away. Think about it.

[Gerry]

... her delusional opinions.

I can do that.

I have to be at UC Irvine next month for a couple of days. If I smell a stench in the air, I'll know its her rotted flesh.

[Raider]

I am sick of Raider. I am sick of her continuing to verbally assualt the President of The United States and the Democratic Party he belongs to. I am sick of Raider continuing to lie and then criticize every post that doesn't support her. I am sick of her verbally assualting every fellow member in this forum who doesn't agree with her. Raider will not change because she obviously enjoys the conflict and discontent she creates. She feeds off ot it like a piranha.

I propose we all ignore everything she posts. Just ignore her, don't respond to her ramps and ravings and she will eventually go away. I believe that being ignored is one thing she can't cope with and ignoring her is the only real tool we have to shut her up. When she opens a new thread don't even click on it because she loves to count the number of members who read her delusional opinions.

Just completely ignore her and don't even refer to her in any post you make. She will go away. Think about it.

If I had a dollar for every time you and Doc suggested we all ignore Raider, I could pay for my internet connection for an entire year.

5 years I've been debating with you and yet you cant find it in your power to click the "Ignore" button.


I have just have one question for you H2FC, which one of these two threads did it?

The Obama Administrations definition of a "Green" Job
or
Obama's solar panel plant gets raided by FBI

My guess is both

I have to be at UC Irvine next month for a couple of days.

Are you going there to lecture students on how to purchase domains like cumcam.mobi?, or lecture on how great President Barack Obama is, and that everything is George Bush's fault?

[500,000]

These 4 Voted for TARP, Bank Bailout http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trouble...Relief_Program

Big Gov Puppets

Herman Cain
Jon Huntsman
Rick Perry
Mitt Romney