Growth Hormones For Kids - Anyone have any experience

[Adam Dicker]

The latest thing seems to be giving growth hormones to kids that are late bloomers. I feel that it's like trying to mess with nature.

Problem is some idiot doctor told my wife and son that he is a late bloomer and now they are both convinced he needs them.

I think it's nuts and I am looking to see if anyone had any experiences with this.

For those that want to know, the treatment is 5 shots a week for a year.

Anyways, at the very least the doctor should have told my wife and I seperately with my son out of the room so he wouldn't think he was going to be some dwarf if he didn't get the growth hormones.

If you have had experience your thoughts are welcome, positive or negative.

Thanks,

-=DCG=-

[raoul]

maybee you find this too offtopic, but I seen documentary where they said "average kids are too big these days" The conclusion was, that we feed our kids with with many "crap food" compared to 50 years ago. They ment for example, grow-hormons wich they use on cattle, vegtables etc.


Point i want to make is maybe you feed him healty (biological) food?

[Adam Dicker]

maybee you find this too offtopic, but I seen documentary where they said "average kids are too big these days" The conclusion was, that we feed our kids with with many "crap food" compared to 50 years ago. They ment for example, grow-hormons wich they use on cattle, vegtables etc.


Point i want to make is maybe you feed him healty (biological) food?

Yea, he eats real well and is just starting to hit puberty.
The doctors point is if we don't do it now he may not be tall.

My thought is who cares as long as he's happy and healthy, I don't think we should be playing god with injections.

-=DCG=-

[raoul]

arch my english is so bad - the "problem" was that many average people eat meat, vegtables that where treaded with some fertilizer, or a cow who also gets grow hormons. your kids eat the cow, and also get the grow-hormons inside their body.

in general, highclass people (and i am not saying you are - or are not highclass) have money for the better shops, no meat from the wallmart- but from the local biological butcher. Maybee there is your awnser, WHY....

in any case i would go for 2nd opinion to different doc

[south]

My thought is who cares as long as he's happy and healthy, I don't think we should be playing god with injections.
-=DCG=-

That covers it.

[Adam Dicker]

arch my english is so bad - the "problem" was that many average people eat meat, vegtables that where treaded with some fertilizer, or a cow who also gets grow hormons. your kids eat the cow, and also get the grow-hormons inside their body.

in general, highclass people (and i am not saying you are - or are not highclass) have money for the better shops, no meat from the wallmart- but from the local biological butcher. Maybee there is your awnser, WHY....

in any case i would go for 2nd opinion to different doc

That all makes sense, your english is fine.

I am going or more opinions but it's not good for a kid's ego to be told right from a professional that they may ned growth hormones without talking to the parents.

-=DCG=-

[jasdon11]

I've never heard of anything like it....pumping a kid full of hormones? I'd of thought that was the last thing you'd want to give a pubescent boy.

I'm sure you're aware that kids don't grow in a linear way, often having growth spurts once their own natural hormones kick in. Boys do a lot of growing between 12 and 16.

[biggedon]

The latest thing seems to be giving growth hormones to kids that are late bloomers. I feel that it's like trying to mess with nature.

Problem is some idiot doctor told my wife and son that he is a late bloomer and now they are both convinced he needs them.

I think it's nuts and I am looking to see if anyone had any experiences with this.

For those that want to know, the treatment is 5 shots a week for a year.

Anyways, at the very least the doctor should have told my wife and I seperately with my son out of the room so he wouldn't think he was going to be some dwarf if he didn't get the growth hormones.

If you have had experience your thoughts are welcome, positive or negative.

Thanks,

-=DCG=-

Hi

i'm no doctor, but i look like a guy who plays one on tv.


i think the doctor was unprofessional, by giving a prognosis or discussing methods of treatment in front of your son.

on that alone, i would seek other opinions.

secondly, look at both you are your wife's family tree to see how tall others were in the family.

there may be a short uncle,aunt,cousin, grandparent,sister,brother somewhere along the tree, which your son could take after.

that could provide a logical reason for his build, which would make his progress perfectly natural.

another thing to consider is that if he takes hormones, it could affect his offspring as well.


hope everthing works out well in the end.

[CureCancer]

The latest thing seems to be giving growth hormones to kids that are late bloomers. I feel that it's like trying to mess with nature.

Problem is some idiot doctor told my wife and son that he is a late bloomer and now they are both convinced he needs them.

I think it's nuts and I am looking to see if anyone had any experiences with this.

For those that want to know, the treatment is 5 shots a week for a year.

Anyways, at the very least the doctor should have told my wife and I seperately with my son out of the room so he wouldn't think he was going to be some dwarf if he didn't get the growth hormones.

If you have had experience your thoughts are welcome, positive or negative.

Thanks,

-=DCG=-

Morning,

I recently watched a documentary on CBC on growth hormones for kids. From what I remember, it talked about the long term side effects.

Ill try to do a search on google for you to see if I can find the documentary for you

[Adam Dicker]

secondly, look at both you are your wife's family tree to see how tall others were in the family.

there may be a short uncle,aunt,cousin, grandparent,sister,brother somewhere along the tree, which your son could take after.

that could provide a logical reason for his build, which would make his progress perfectly natural.

Both my wife and I are tall, so the doctor then said this doesn't make sense. So I then said to her I think instead of giving him Growth Hormones, we should give me a patenity test. I think my wife may have slept with a short clown. Neither my wife nor the doctor were amused with that as I said it in a serious voice.

I will definitely go for a second and third opinion before I let some witch doctor inject chemicals into him to make he grow when I feel he's just a late bloomer.

-=DCG=-

[CureCancer]

i cant find the video, one thing i remember is - their was negative side effects.
can't trust one opinion, a minimum of 3-5 is required

All the best

[Seraphim]

A friend of my family had a son that underwent growth hormone therapy, I believe he was about 12 at the time. He got part of the way through it, and the doctors decided it wasn't working, so they started "stretching his spine" instead. If I remember correctly, I think they estimated all the money and agony the kid went through, ended up making him an inch taller or something minuscule like that. He wasn't a midget/dwarf to start with, just a healthy kid well shorter than average.

[Gerry]

This is NOT SOMETHING to take lightly.

You need to get a second opinion.

Perhaps a third.

There is a natural growth process that includes all stages of growth and development.

Rapid growth spurts while vital organs and systems do not keep up with these growth spurts (whether natural or man made induced) can lead to an extreme amount of health issues not only now but in the long term.

This is not something to be taken lightly. If it is a self esteem issue then that needs to be dealt with in other professions. If it is truly a medical condition, then the cause must be identified and the effect must also be evaluated.

If he is an otherwise normal healthy teenager, as you say he is just reaching puberty, then he is not anywhere done developing.

If he is puny and picked on, time to develop muscles and self esteem. Weight training and bodybuilding is one way. Karate is another - Teaches self discipline and self esteem.

Personally, we get too many damn growth hormones and antibiotics in feeds and livestock we eat. If it is given to the livestock and poultry to get them to market quicker, then we ingest it.

That is why we are so resistant to many antibiotics and so prone to super bugs that have evolved. Penicillin and Tetracycline were once first line defenses against nearly everything and now are virtually useless.

You are doing the right thing by inquiring and holding off. And I agree, this should have been discussed first with mom and dad.

[Compassion]

The latest thing seems to be giving growth hormones to kids that are late bloomers. I feel that it's like trying to mess with nature.

Problem is some idiot doctor told my wife and son that he is a late bloomer and now they are both convinced he needs them.

I think it's nuts and I am looking to see if anyone had any experiences with this.

For those that want to know, the treatment is 5 shots a week for a year.

Anyways, at the very least the doctor should have told my wife and I seperately with my son out of the room so he wouldn't think he was going to be some dwarf if he didn't get the growth hormones.

If you have had experience your thoughts are welcome, positive or negative.

Thanks,

-=DCG=-

Trust your intuition, not some quack doctor programmed to disperse 'remedies' and 'medicine' because his section of the pyramid has been delegated to create wealth out of mass production of unnecessary treatments.


The best thing: Figure out what is harming your son. For me I finally had to eradicate dairy almost entirely to reduce my asthma trouble and daily allergies.


Balance is essential

A balance with nature.


I have utilized acupuncture, juice fasting and have researched and learned about the chakras, the glands - basically how our bodies function. I'm feeling much better and I'm using less Western 'medicine' than ever before.

It is important to understand acid/alkaline in the diet as well as inflammation - omega 3s (fish) reduce inflammation, omega 6s increase inflammation (red meat, coffee)


We are organic - eat and drink organic whenever possible.

Injecting hormones for growth is about as inorganic of a treatment one could conceive of - merely attacking the surface and ignoring the core is what many Western doctors practice on a daily basis.

If your son turns out to be a shorter than average person - so be it.

At least he will be short and healthy.

I have more horror stories from Western treatment that I am writing about currently...I will share these when they are complete.

This is NOT SOMETHING to take lightly.

You need to get a second opinion.

Perhaps a third.

There is a natural growth process that includes all stages of growth and development.

Rapid growth spurts while vital organs and systems do not keep up with these growth spurts (whether natural or man made induced) can lead to an extreme amount of health issues not only now but in the long term.

This is not something to be taken lightly. If it is a self esteem issue then that needs to be dealt with in other professions. If it is truly a medical condition, then the cause must be identified and the effect must also be evaluated.

If he is an otherwise normal healthy teenager, as you say he is just reaching puberty, then he is not anywhere done developing.

If he is puny and picked on, time to develop muscles and self esteem. Weight training and bodybuilding is one way. Karate is another - Teaches self discipline and self esteem.

Personally, we get too many damn growth hormones and antibiotics in feeds and livestock we eat. If it is given to the livestock and poultry to get them to market quicker, then we ingest it.

That is why we are so resistant to many antibiotics and so prone to super bugs that have evolved. Penicillin and Tetracycline were once first line defenses against nearly everything and now are virtually useless.

You are doing the right thing by inquiring and holding off. And I agree, this should have been discussed first with mom and dad.

Yes, extreme health issues to create more profits, but hey he'll be a few inches taller - so what if dozens of other problems arise - I'm sure there are plenty of Western treatments for these problems if and when they occur.

A friend of my family had a son that underwent growth hormone therapy, I believe he was about 12 at the time. He got part of the way through it, and the doctors decided it wasn't working, so they started "stretching his spine" instead. If I remember correctly, I think they estimated all the money and agony the kid went through, ended up making him an inch taller or something minuscule like that. He wasn't a midget/dwarf to start with, just a healthy kid well shorter than average.

Very sad

[Gerry]

A pill or a shot does not cure everything.

I am simply not into any artificial means (ie, elective breast augmentation, plastic surgery, botox, stomach stappling) simply as a means of being a vanity or self esteem issue. Unquestionably there is a need for this type of medicine but only as a corrective matter.

Horrible to think that society and peer pressure has brought us to this.

[Vision]

Adam:

Be cautious when gleaning opines from ignoramuses from both sides of the debate -- here is a good research tool with respect to Growth Hormone and IGF.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/journal/10966374

Additional info sent via PM.

Good Luck,

Michael

[Adam Dicker]

I appreaciate all the comments and research people have done and that's why I posted a non-domain topic here. People here are well educated and have had experience in life other than domaining.

I do not believe in this growth hormone and will do more research.

-=DCG=-

[PeterMan]

Adam,

Is this doctor in Canada or the US?

I am not familiar with the system in the US but I am really not happy with some of the things we do here in Canada... The drug companies have such a hold over doctors... it seems to me that all they (doctors) want to do is prescribe some drugs and send you on your way...

I know that this is not the same issue as your son, but my wife's grandfather has been in the hospital for over a month and he just got to see a new doctor today who said that he has been over medicated and that has caused permanent damage, it has completely changed his personality and has hurt our family greatly. And what makes it even worse is that this is the second time this has happened to him...

So obviously a second and third opinion are a must if your family is even remotely considering such therapy, and it seems obvious that you agree with that...

Obviously drugs have helped our society greatly, but we have begun to rely on drugs for everything, not just disease...

All the best

[Compassion]

I've never heard of anything like it....pumping a kid full of hormones? I'd of thought that was the last thing you'd want to give a pubescent boy.

I'm sure you're aware that kids don't grow in a linear way, often having growth spurts once their own natural hormones kick in. Boys do a lot of growing between 12 and 16.

makes me think of san antonio spur david robinson who grew most of his height in his early 20s while in the navy

[fab]

I know someone who had this done, and some friends of ours, who've been suggested something similar. I would suggest lie some others here, get a second opinion.