Health Care... You get none or You die waiting

[Gregcyber]

When the socialist government of the USA passes government healthcare for all.

You cant smoke, if you do you will not get any care for any diseases that are associated with smoking.

If you dont exercise every day, you health care is canceled

If you cant prove you brush your teeth 3 times a day. No dental care.

If you like sex and dont use contraceptives, Health care canceled for the rest of the baby's life.

If you have a problem you ll have to wait 5 years to get it fixed

You cant eat snack foods, if you do, your TAXed a $100.00 fine

If you dont like Obama and his party... your going to be depressed for the rest of your life

Once we go Obama we can never go back

Good bye sweet dreams

[biggedon]

lol


many people in this country have very poor health habits as is

it's about time we took a more proactive look at the things we consume in our bodies.

including smoking, alcohol consumption, eating tons of fast foods and junk snack packs everyday.


i've seen on tv where some japanese companies have their workers do exercise in the morning at work, haven't seen any companies in usa doing it.


brushing your teeth everday could prevent many visits to the dentist as well as cutting out all the sweets kids eats thruout the day.


i think you're stretching the truth about some of the reforms obama is calling for, but imo ... good health care starts at home.

[Doc Com]

I have a bit of bad news for you and your theory.

This is old news.

Yes. Old news.

Nearly three years ago, a particular hospital I worked at used NC Blue Cross/Blue Shield. To have their full coverage, you needed to agree to a health check up. If you were found to be overweight, smoker, etc. then you had to agree to attend monthly classes regarding your condition and how to improve.

These were MANDATORY SESSIONS that you must attend based on your health screen and history.

Why do you insist on full coverage and the best care if you do nothing to take care of your self and change your lifestyle?

All of this has gone into a huge re-education mode because healthcare and insurance companies KNOW you do not take care of yourself yet DEMAND insurance does take care of you.

There is a massive study underway to determine the effect of literacy and how it impacts healthcare.

This was NOT an GOP thing and not a hospital thing. This was an insurance thing.

Why? Because Americans are overall a bunch of pussies and want every thing handed to them but do nothing for the benefit.

I do not care what statistics you read or what is published according to the US health, cigarette smoking WAS, IS, and WILL BE the number one killer. PERIOD!

It is a KNOWN FACT that heart disease, stroke, COPD and many of the top ten reasons for death is directly attributed to smoking.

Now add obesity and diabetes. It is a KNOWN fact that people who smoke tend to exercise less and are sedate in their lifestyle.

We have done wonders in this great and powerful nation of creating job security for current and future healthcare workers.

So any talk of socialism is bullshit piled upon bullshit.

So your gospel of sweet dreams and socialism was brought about the American lifestyle and freedoms and unwillingness to change that lifestyle.

Those sweet dreams are filled with Little Debbie cakes and Twinkies. There is your dental care. There is your mobid obesity, hypertension, diabetes, and sedentary lifestyle.

Any thing going on RIGHT NOW is a direct consequence to what has not been done in the past. Yes, Americans are pussies because they insist they have the right to SUPER SIZE every meal, smoke two packs of cigarettes every day, party every night, breed like bunny rabbits, get knocked up and have children out of wedlock, selected NOT TO BE EMPLOYED, and then insist that we, members of the health care community, kiss their ever loving sorry ass every time they get a hangnail or sniffles.

What's more, THEY DEMAND to have their ass kissed and waited on hand and foot. They hold health care workers to a higher standard than they THEMSELVES hold their own self for the job they do.

Try applying those same standard you hold healthcare to another industry.

Go to a car dealership when your car breaks down and raise all hell and insists that they kiss your ass and wait on you first. Even though you caused all the damage due to not taking care of it and ran it until it had no oil in it and did not follow through with routine scheduled checkups. Pound your fist on the counter and insist that they fix it.

Don't hold healthcare and healthcare workers to a higher standard when most of you are too sorry to hold your self to those same standards.

Take your car somewhere that you totally trashed because you were trashed and you let your insurance lapse but still want the auto-body shop to fix it like new but you are not going to pay for it.

So, why is it that people have higher expectations and have set a higher standard of service when they see a doctor or are admitted to a hospital? Why a higher standard of expectations then THEY HOLD THEIR SELF in the performance of their own job?

Is it because they charge so much? If hospitals are so profitable, why are so many strugging to get by, are for sale or being bought at pennies on the dollar, or are closing altogether.

You have no idea of the healthcare costs that are never paid for and never recovered or recouped.

And as for sex and no contraceptive - how many babies is too much? The 27 year old girl in Detroit who was getting ready to have her 10 child. She had NEVER worked a day in her life, had her first baby at 14, did not even have a social security card, had never been married, and was 100% dependent on welfare and government assistance.

When does it end?

With Carter?
With Reagan?
BushSr? Clinton? Bush Jr? Obama?

The system is so broken and has been for so long that pieces are missing and have to be replicated or substituted.

If you want to ***** about healthcare, let me know what line of work every one here is in and I'll find something about that profession or industry to ***** about. If you want to ***** about fixing it now, ask why not BEFORE NOW! Ask why nearly 20 years have passed, kazillions of dollars spent on studies, and nothing done - before now.

I can absolutely find much to blame. And I have.

That is why I did not vote for Kerry. I asked myself, of Kerry: Why do you want to debate what should have and could have been done when you did nothing. You had the office, you had the power as a Congressman, medicare/medicaid is broke, healthcare is broke, Social Security is broke yet you did nothing, proposed nothing, and did not act to fix it. Nor were you willing to cross party lines to achieve this goal.

If anyone thinks that for one minute a congressperson represents you, you are foolish beyond compare. I have never ever in my life or career met any politician who cared about anything except their own self and aspirations. They do not speak for the people, they speak for their own self and image for a photo op or sound byte.


Hold your self and your business to the same set of standards and expectations that you hold healthcare workers and the healthcare industries.

Hold your elected officials accountable and apply the same set of standards applied to your business and ethics. Don't vote for someone and keep putting them into office when they have done nothing.

If this simple principle was applied from Congress on down to Joe the plumber, we (as a nation) would be so far out of where we are right now - financially, spiritually, mentally, and physically speaking.

All I can say is THANKS FOR NOTHING for the last 8 years. Those past 8 years have set us back so far and achieved so little for so many americans.

Honestly, we might as well just give healthcare away. We are right now and I see it every night. 60% or more of the people I see have NO insurance or no means of paying. Yet, they still get treated, taken care of, and accorded all respect and decency as anyone can be. Never has the ability to pay changed the way anyone is taken care of. Illegal aliens, crack whores, CEO's, prisoners, Loonie people, Doctors, blacks, asians, lawyers, homeless - they all bleed the same color.

So tell me, why do you hold healthcare professionals to higher standards?

My job is NO different from your job.

We both are doing something we CHOSE to do.

[Gregcyber]

i think you're stretching the truth about some of the reforms obama is calling for,

When I was young the power company use to Give way free light bubs.
As time goes by we will need more rules to cut down on health care spending.
To cut down on spending we then need more government personal to set more rules and overseers.
Then we higher more personal to over see tax increases and more rules, seems to be no end in site.

Did you know that the Obama Administration is adding more government to over see the government in already in charge.

but imo ... good health care starts at home.

And or can be taught in school.


Oh my................

Did you Read this? Its hot off the press of a Obama supporter ( i think)

If anyone thinks that for one minute a congressperson (or Obama)<--- i added this part ) represents you, you are foolish beyond compare. I have never ever in my life or career met any politician who cared about anything except their own self and aspirations. They do not speak for the people, they speak for their own self and image for a photo op or sound byte.

[biggedon]

Originally Posted by Gregcyber

When I was young the power company use to Give way free light bubs.
As time goes by we will need more rules to cut down on health care spending.
To cut down on spending we then need more government personal to set more rules and overseers.
Then we higher more personal to over see tax increases and more rules, seems to be no end in site.

Did you know that the Obama Administration is adding more government to over see the government in already in charge.


And or can be taught in school.


Oh my................

Did you Read this? Its hot off the press of a Obama supporter ( i think)

i used to work for same power company maybe (Com-Ed aka Excelon Corp), here in Chicago

i remember when you would get free light bulbs

you know why?

because if you didn't have light bulbs, then you couldn't run-up your light bill.
so they gave you a few free bulbs with each electric bill.


as for adding more government


if someone had been governing the government before it damn near fell apart, we wouldn't need more government to make sure the government is watching what the government is supposed to be doing.

[Doc Com]

Originally Posted by Gregcyber

Oh my................

Did you Read this? Its hot off the press of a Obama supporter ( i think)

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Obama is early in his life as a Career Politician.

His success rides on the ability to carry the enthusiasm and support of the people who put him in office.

I had to get a VCR player repaired one time. This was back when VCR's were expensive. The part needed had to come from Mexico.

Many calls and follow ups got the repairs no where.

Finally, I get a call to come pick up the machine.

I go, give them my stub, a guy comes back and hands me a box full of pieces and parts that WAS my VCR. I said What's this?

He said Your VCR. The part never came in.

They wanted to hand me a bill for $60 for their service of taking it apart and seeing what was wrong with it.

I told them I was not going to pay $60 for a box full of parts that was supposedly my VCR.

There response was You have to pay the labor fee or you don't get the VCR back.

I told him to keep the damn thing.



See the comparison? Obama has been handed a box full of parts of something broken, been on the shelf, waiting on parts to come in, and on every one's to do list.

Somehow, he is supposed to fix something that was someone else's responsibility to fix.

Instead, it was left broken and taken apart and placed in front of him and told, Here. You do something with it.

[ilovedomains]

I dont think Obama could change anything even if he wanted to. Have you read the Credit card "reform" bill? Looks like it was written by the credit card companies. Who wants to bet the Bank reform bill will look like it was written by the banks, and health care reform will look like it was written by the health care industry?

A lot of you seem to be obsessed that "the commies" are coming out of the woodwork to take away your money. Dont worry. Compared to Canadian and European "socialists", your democrates are just republicans that arent insane. If things are going wrong, it sure isnt socialists that are causing it. Enjoy the ride.

[Gregcyber]

See the comparison? Obama has been handed a box full of parts of something broken, been on the shelf, waiting on parts to come in, and on every one's to do list.

At least all the parts worked but the one.

Now...I think the Democrat party is going to SMASH all the other working parts.

I dont think Obama could change anything even if he wanted to. Have you read the Credit card "reform" bill? Looks like it was written by the credit card companies.

What a short memory you have, remember the Bail Out?
Obama bought all the major banks or something like that, with USA Taxes or Borrowed money from other countries. So Obama is the credit card company.

[Doc Com]

Wow, all the parts worked?

The skyrocketing unemployment? the banking and loan system? healthcare? Two wars on two fronts? the failure of the big three automakers? the out of control national debt? the trade deficit? the downward spiral of wall street? the haliburton "no bid" contracts for Iran and Afghanistan? the falsification of evidence to support an attack on Iraq? the torture of "enemy combatants"? the distancing of the US from all allies? the blatant ignoring and reversing of the environment and endangered species act?

Do I need to list more parts that were missing, broken, stolen, and did not work?

Honestly, Obama or McCain - it would not matter because EITHER would have been handed the same box of pieces that once resembled something of a democratic and prosperous society.

One major piece that was missing and will take years to find is respect.

[Gregcyber]

Doc,

Your Ten Trillion in debit in the next year or two.

Your wife / partner? wants to spend spend spend to 20 trillion, eat the best foods and does not work or go out side when its to hot or cold.

Dont worry... Be Happy!

[ilovedomains]

Originally Posted by Gregcyber

What a short memory you have, remember the Bail Out?
Obama bought all the major banks or something like that, with USA Taxes or Borrowed money from other countries. So Obama is the credit card company.

I bad mouthed Obama so bad before the election that people wanted to tar and feather me. Im no Obama fan, but he had no choice. It was the only way to turn a depression into a recession.

Canada isnt socialist BTW. We have never elected a socialist government. The reason we came out of this thing so well is we had enough brains to regulate our banks, and we dont let the executives treat them like third world thiefdoms. Thats not socialism, its just common sense.

Your problem is your banks were like kids that got too big to spank, and the next thing you knew they were telling you what to do instead of the other way around.

[Doc Com]

I answered all there is to answer about your Health plan and your claim about how controlling it is.

Isn't it amazing that you still want to apply a higher standard of professionalism than your own job/function? You EXPECT more (from ME as a health professional) as a professional quality and standard than you apply to anyone else? Why do you not insist in the best service and no wait time when you go to WalMart?

You did nothing to answer the basic fundamental issue of - what in the hell do you want me to do? Me (the insurance company) is supposed to provide you (Joe Public) the best care, coverage, and services when you smoke two packs a day, drink a pint of whiskey a day, are 50 pounds overweight - you have developed emphysema and COPD and lung lesions from smoking, liver disease from drinking, and a cardiac mumur, hypertension and diabetes from eating all the wrong foods and inactivity.

It is like the automobile example.

What happens if you get in too many wrecks, speeding tickets, Dui's? You are dropped! Dropped because you are not responsible enough to slow down, quit drinking and driving, and feel that the only way you can get around town is speeding. You are NOT A SAFE DRIVER, A RISK TO OTHERS AND YOUR SELF, AND YOU ARE DROPPED!

If and when you can get insurance to drive, you are going to pay out the ass until you take some responsibility for your own actions.

It is all a matter of accountability and responsibility.

If you want to claim it is an invasion of privacy, then fine - don't disclose the truth to an insurance company and they drop your ass when caught.

Why should health insurance be any different? Why should I pay for you to get your crack and meth and overdose and come into the ER in a full code blue situation, revive you, put you on a ventilator a couple of days, get you better, discharge you, and two weeks later you are back. (This is a true story of a patient I know of doing this at least 5 times that I am personally aware of.)

This is the American healthcare system I know and I see -

Illegal and Legal immigrants that have no healthcare coverage, people that have no insurance because they have no job, heavy smokers that are repeatedly admitted for the same problem - they can not breathe. People sitting at home wearing oxygen and smoking away. Twenty and thirty something drug addicts, heroin, meth (ever seen meth mouth? they have no teeth as they grind them down - ugly as shit), unwed mothers who breed like there is no tomorrow - they do not work, do not care to work, put on this earth for one purpose and one purpose only - ****ing and making children that come out as cocaine and meth dependent preemies that need to be house in NICU's, drug and gang wars with knives and gunshot wounds, drunk drivers crashing headon into oncoming traffic killing his passenger and a family of three in the other vehicle while we work our asses off to save his life and lose others while working on them or enroute via air or ground to a trauma center, attempted suicide by drinking Ortho weed killer, the COPDer who smokes like a freight train while he's wearing oxygen and his right side of his face catches fire, another attempted suicide over a gay relationship gone bad (wasn't he here just two weeks ago), this big fat ****er who stabs himself repeatedly in his rolls of fat (he pinches the rolls and stabs himself with a little pen knife) because he is addicted to pain killers.

All in a night's work. No joke.

Notice all the resources taken up, the time consumed, ambulance crews, air care, all the drugs used, all the materials and equipment and time lost and lives lost - all of this in a nights work because this is nothing more than what people do to themselves. Not working, sorry individuals who know, use, and abuse the system, none of them with health insurance.

Yet, they are too sorry to accept any responsibility or accountability for their own actions. And then when they need a doctor or healthcare, they DEMAND the best.

Fix me up and send me home because I am missing a helluva party.

So know you want to ***** about having to accept some responsiblity for the condition you are in? This is NO surprise to me. If you are in great condition physically, emotionally, spiritually - then you pay this price which is less than anyone else because you are at lower risk. IF you are on the border, smoke, drink, over eat - we will take you in at the lower premium PROVIDED you attend these monthly sessions. Weight management, smoking cessation, etc. If after one year you make no progress, you are bumped into a high risk group and pay more for your priemium.

If you refuse to go through the screening and just want health insurance, you can chose to pay a lower premium with a higher deductible or a higher primium with a lower deductible.

That is how all of this works.

In the meantime, I am continuing to pay for your ass in the form of state and federal taxes, medicaid, social security tax, etc.

Remember the automobile example? How far do you think you would get if you had a dui and wreck every two weeks and with or with out insurance you wanted your car fixed and demanded the best care, paint job, shine, and dent repair but you were not going to pay for it.

pretend that car is you and your body.

Don't tell me Obama is going to smash things. It is already smashed.

People live longer, we keep them alive longer, someone who has HIV can live an estimated 20 years at an estimated cost of $580,000.00 just in medication costs (at today's rate).

Has it ever occured to you that no matter how broke or poor or out of work someone is, they can STILL find the money for a drink or a smoke.

Liquor, beer, and cigarettes still thrive in the worst of time.

And I have no idea what this comment means or implies:

Your wife / partner? wants to spend spend spend to 20 trillion, eat the best foods and does not work or go out side when its to hot or cold.

Just like insurance, NOW all of a sudden you want someone to take Responsibility and Accountability.

Now that someone else is in office, thank god we can shift our focus and attention to him and say FIX IT!

Short term memory forgets that there was this huge bill already on the table that could not be paid and was merely shuffled into the new stack of bills (which is actually the old past due debts and bills) and now those debtors are demanding that those bills be paid and the problems get fixed immediately.

But of course, McCain and the GOP had a better plan to handle that stack of bills, debts, and obligations that had been piling up for eight years. Right?

[Gregcyber]

Don't tell me Obama is going to smash things. It is already smashed.

As I said the last time "Doc, you got duped by Obama and the democrat scams"

Bush was only made to look bad.

Dont you democrats always say we got duped by Bush #41?


Take this quote by Doc Com

The skyrocketing unemployment? the banking and loan system? healthcare? Two wars on two fronts? the failure of the big three automakers? the out of control national debt? the trade deficit? the downward spiral of wall street? the haliburton "no bid" contracts for Iran and Afghanistan? the falsification of evidence to support an attack on Iraq? the torture of "enemy combatants"? the distancing of the US from all allies? the blatant ignoring and reversing of the environment and endangered species act?

and multiplied by 50% then add 10 to 15 trillion in debt to top it off.

This is what i mean by SMASHING the rest of the parts

[Doc Com]

you are hilarious

go ahead

stand in line

don't expect to pay for anything but demand everything



The trillions of dollars you quote were penned by Paulson.

You really should try reading and comprehending what you read.

Read the exact language of the Paulson plan.

Allows "him" to borrow "740 billion at a time" up to "11.3 trillion dollars".

Why would this come as a shock to you?

If you were the GOP pimp that you are, you would be all up in those figures as it was penned by Paulson with Dubya's blessings. Is that not cause for celebration and paying homage?

I can not believe that all humans breathe the same air in the same manner. I think Limbaugh and a few on this forum are still breathing through gills hoping to evolve into humans some day.
[Quote:]

Originally Posted by Gregcyber

Take this quote by Doc Com

The skyrocketing unemployment? the banking and loan system? healthcare? Two wars on two fronts? the failure of the big three automakers? the out of control national debt? the trade deficit? the downward spiral of wall street? the haliburton "no bid" contracts for Iran and Afghanistan? the falsification of evidence to support an attack on Iraq? the torture of "enemy combatants"? the distancing of the US from all allies? the blatant ignoring and reversing of the environment and endangered species act?

and multiplied by 50% then add 10 to 15 trillion in debt to top it off.

This is what i mean by SMASHING the rest of the parts[/QUOTE]Um, am I a little unclear what I am supposed to do at this point.

Thank you for quoting me?

Or thank you for leaving things that way?

Amazingingly, I outlined everything to a tee as to why, how, when things got that way but it is still, somehow, Obama's fault.

At this point, if there is nothing right that he can do in your eyes and the eyes of others, then he can do anything he damn well pleases and it will not be right.

So I say,

**** it! Go for it O - bamm - ah.

Take this quote by Doc Com

Originally Posted by Gregcyber

The skyrocketing unemployment? the banking and loan system? healthcare? Two wars on two fronts? the failure of the big three automakers? the out of control national debt? the trade deficit? the downward spiral of wall street? the haliburton "no bid" contracts for Iran and Afghanistan? the falsification of evidence to support an attack on Iraq? the torture of "enemy combatants"? the distancing of the US from all allies? the blatant ignoring and reversing of the environment and endangered species act?

Originally Posted by Gregcyber

and multiplied by 50% then add 10 to 15 trillion in debt to top it off.

This is what i mean by SMASHING the rest of the parts[/QUOTE]Um, am I a little unclear what I am supposed to do at this point.

Thank you for quoting me?

Or thank you for leaving things that way?

Amazingingly, I outlined everything to a tee as to why, how, when things got that way but it is still, somehow, Obama's fault.

At this point, if there is nothing right that he can do in your eyes and the eyes of others, then he can do anything he damn well pleases and it will not be right.

So I say,

**** it! Go for it O - bamm - ah.