Hope and change in america - summer 2011

[cadillac880]

The referenced articles and President's comments speak for themselves no need to add anything……...

Promised Hope and Change 2007-08

July 20, 2007 - "It is time to bring our troops home because it has made us less safe," said Obama, an Illinois Democrat running for president

Source: http://bit.ly/mQRWsh

October 2007 (debate) - As president I will bring our troops home, I will talk to nations and make peace with nations. - Obama

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Actual Hope and Change 2011

US military: 2 US soldiers killed in southern Iraq and it brings to 8 the number of U.S. troops killed in June so far.

Source: http://apnews.myway.com/article/20110614/D9NRJOHG0.html

U.S. Is Intensifying a Secret Campaign of Yemen Airstrikes

Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/09/wo...t/09intel.html

Twenty-three U.S. troops have been killed in Afghanistan in the first two weeks of June alone

Source: http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0611...ualties-up.htm

Libyan campaign breaks Pentagon estimates costing U.S. taxpayers $2 million a day

Source: http://bit.ly/iEsa2I

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More Promised Hope and Change Summer 2010

Obama, Biden declare 'Recovery Summer'! (June 2010)

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0610/38654.html

One Year Later -

US Hiring Slows, Unemployment Rate Hits 9.1 Percent

Source: http://bit.ly/iZAwQa

Summer job bummer: Teen unemployment 24 percent

Source: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/...20069017.shtml

Retail Sales Dip For The First Time In 11 Months

Source: http://n.pr/iMD6dR

Close To Half Of Americans Say U.S. Nearing Great Depression

Source: http://newsone.com/nation/newsonesta...at-depression/

Housing Market Takes a Double-Dip

Source: http://www.mainstreet.com/article/re...kes-double-dip

Gas Prices drop, but still higher than last year's

Source: http://bit.ly/kKVAkq
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"Hows that hope and change working out for you?" - Sarah Palin

[Donald Aquilano]

Obama is just another lying politician. Nothing changes no matter what political party is in charge.

[Nathan King]

Obama is just another lying politician. Nothing changes no matter what political party is in charge.

Things change, just not in the interest of the people.

I shook Obama's hand when he was running for senator, and he handed me a gift certificate to a local coffee house. I know how Illinois (Chicago) politics operate, and I knew that Obama was no different. So I was spared disappointment when business-as-usual continued in Washington, amid the illusion of regime change.

And the republicans aren't any better; they won't put an end to the war machine either. Unfortunately when one is voting for president, they are merely voting for the lesser of two evils. And the distinction isn't always clear...

Funny thing, even before Obama got elected into the Senate, everybody around here was saying that he was going to run for president. This was long before his DNC speech too.

Of course blaming the president for our economic woes seems short-sighted to me. You expect him to pull a Jesus and turn water into wine?

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Elvis left the building....

[Raider]

Of course blaming the president for our economic woes seems short-sighted to me. You expect him to pull a Jesus and turn water into wine?

You seem to ignore the fact Obamas own policies, HIS polices and nobody elses have done nothing but worsened the economy... Why would Obama think that hiring 200,000 Government employees would improve jobs in the private sector?, HE DIDN'T. Why would Obama think that spending 1 TRILLION dollars to the States to create jobs in the public sector and shore up Public Employee pensions would create jobs in the Private sector? HE DIDN'T... Is a matter a fact, that dunce didn't even read the $787 BILLION dollar stimulus bill he signed.

Everything he has done has been a disaster, nothing has worked to improve the private sector, but how can it? when Obama has ignored the private sector from day 1... If you want to buy into the lame argument that it was broken when he got here and nothing is his fault, believe it.. Seems a bit short sighted to me.

Were 2 1/2 years into his policies and you guys are still making excuses for him while he's focusing on (you guessed it) his 2012 re-election campaign, UN BELIEVABLE.


I don't know if you read Michael Barone's columns, but he wrote a good piece on what were discussing here;

Obama tunes out, and business goes on hiring strike
Washington Examiner:
http://washingtonexaminer.com/politi...#ixzz1PNm8ELaE

[Nathan King]

Were 2 1/2 years into his policies

I think that says enough right there.

you guys are still making excuses for him while he's focusing on (you guessed it) his 2012 re-election campaign, UN BELIEVABLE.

I'm not defending him, I'm just stating what I've noticed in my non-partisan observation.

And please, provide some sources if you're going to spout off bold claims like you did. Otherwise you just sound like a ranting lunatic. And no, that doesn't mean entire posts that are quoting the mainstream media. They are not a good source! I wanna see the economic reports. Funny thing, I've read a handful of such reports recently, and your argument could easily be debased. I just don't see the point, as it is clear that you don't know what you are talking about, and you are just spouting off what you hear and read in the mainstream media.

I like the Thomas Jefferson quote in your signature though. I've often quoted it myself when talking to both liberals and socialists. Like Obama said, "Americans have a healthy distrust of government." Of course, he was just telling people what they want to hear...

[Raider]

And please, provide some sources if you're going to spout off bold claims like you did.

The OP of this thread provided quite of few sources, 12 sources is a matter a fact and your response to those sources was; Of course blaming the president for our economic woes seems short-sighted to me. You expect him to pull a Jesus and turn water into wine?

You chose to ignore every source the OP posted, so why would I think it would be any different if I posted links for you? it wouldn't.

If you want to research anything I posted, knock yourself out, It's all in the public record. Like the 1 TRILLION dollars of Job Stimulus money, maybe you can explain to us how it helped create long term jobs in the private sector, Oh wait, it didn't, instead unemployment went from 7.9% when Obama was sworn in, to a high of 10.1% after the Job Stimulus money was nearly spent.

And the job numbers recently released on the 3rd of this month, that's in the public record too... Records the "Mainstream Media" often CITE or reference in their reporting, something you conveniently overlook.

http://www.examiner.com/workplace-is...onomy-may-2011

Funny thing, I've read a handful of such reports recently, and your argument could easily be debased.

Maybe you should work for the Obama administration and show them how to "debase" reports from their own labor department, because they haven't been able to do it themselves.

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf


It's amazing to see what a hand shake and a cup of coffee buys these days.

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I like the Thomas Jefferson quote in your signature though.

Thanks, Theirs actually 3 other variations of this quote from Goldwater, Ford and Reagan... I'd be interested to know which one you were actually quoting.

[Nathan King]

It's all in the public record. Like the 1 TRILLION dollars of Job Stimulus money, maybe you can explain to us how it helped create long term jobs in the private sector

Except that it wasn't supposed to create jobs in the private sector. Your argument is completely baseless. The stimulus money was designed to create temporary jobs in the public sector while the private sector would hopefully have time to recover and start hiring. Recovery has been slow, but your argument has no base regardless. Of course you are too blind to see this, which is why I will waste no more time with you tonight.

And in regards to Michael Barone...I don't take anybody that uses the term "Obamacare" seriously. Come on now, cut the malarkey and talk like professionals.

Edit:
And I don't take the liberal media seriously either. Both sides can kiss my ass.

[Raider]

The stimulus money was designed to create temporary jobs in the public sector while the private sector would hopefully have time to recover and start hiring. Recovery has been slow, but your argument has no base regardless.

How does that work? How does hiring temp jobs in the public sector in anyway encourage job growth in the private sector?

And how has the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act worked when 2.5 MILLION Americans have lost their jobs since the Bill was passed? And you say were in a "recovery"?

What you fail to realize is the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act was more of a SPENDING bill than anything else, a Government bailout to keep both Federal and State employees working, Hundreds of BILLIONS of that money went to stabilize State budgets, BILLIONS went to Labor unions, BILLIONS went to bailout budge shortfalls for colleges and universities, BILLIONS went to bullsh*t grants, like administering cocaine into Monkey's and rebuilding roads that only a handful of people drive on.

I'll bet if we asked these drug-crazed primates how this money improved our economy, they'd answer it better than Obama would.

We can argue the bills intentions until were both blue in the face, the bottom line is that it was a 1 TRILLION Dollar FAILURE, It did NOTHING to keep the unemployment rate below 8% like the Obama Administration said it would, it raised it to 10.1%... Complete FAILURE no matter how you look at it.

And as far as saving the jobs of Government employees, they should of suffered the same demise as the public sector, only worse.... Force them back into the private sector so they produce something of value in the market place, Anything to save the tax payers from paying their outrageous salaries and lifetime benefits.

[Nathan King]

And how has the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act worked when 2.5 MILLION Americans have lost their jobs since the Bill was passed? And you say were in a "recovery"?

Of course the conservative media is going to make the economy look much worse than it is when there is a democrat as president (and an election around the corner). One has to expect this sort of bias, and thus, one should not base their opinion of the recovery on what they hear/read from such biased sources. This is why I like economic reports...they provide raw data and allow one a clearer view of what's going on. I don't trust anything as quoted by the mainstream media, since I've seen them completely twist the meaning of things by quoting out of context and being selective in their reporting.

The general consensus among economists (from varying schools of thought) is that the economy is recovering, albeit slowly. To deny this is foolish, as the numbers are plain as day:

When Obama first came to Washington, the economy was contracting at greater than 6% quarterly. The economy is now in expansion mode, though rather modestly with a growth of 1.8% (Q1 2011). So the economy is definitely expanding...how exactly is this not recovery? Now I'm not saying that Obama was responsible for even .01% of this growth, but the economy is definitely recovering.

Obama may or may not have slowed recovery, but it is WAY too soon to know that yet, despite what you and many others have been manipulated to believe. Sure, recovery has been slow, but that doesn't mean Obama was responsible. I don't expect the blind to comprehend this though; they will keep on spouting off things they know absolutely nothing about, such as suggesting that we devolve from an advanced economy to a developing economy.

BILLIONS went to bullsh*t grants

That's big government for you. Unfortunately republicans were having just as much fun spending the money as the democrats.

the bottom line is that it was a 1 TRILLION Dollar FAILURE, It did NOTHING to keep the unemployment rate below 8% like the Obama Administration said it would, it raised it to 10.1%... Complete FAILURE no matter how you look at it.

The unemployment rate is actually 9.1%. We haven't had 10.1% unemployment since September 2010. How is this not improvement?

And as far as saving the jobs of Government employees, they should of suffered the same demise as the public sector, only worse.... Force them back into the private sector so they produce something of value in the market place

I can't argue with reducing unnecessary bureaucracy, though I'm not sure what jobs you're expecting them to get. Talk about an instant unemployment spike. And that means a dip in consumer spending, which would further harm the already fragile economy. Though I would love to see the federal government shrink.