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Old 10-22-2008, 04:25 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Not everything, Just 911 and doing nothing for 8 years when America was repeatedly attacked.

Nice try Jas

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The Change refers to a change in attitude in every American. Change towards how people eat, how they exercise. How they drive, how they litter. How they perceive each other's footprint and how they work towards a common goal. That's the Change - from the divisive, nepotist, selfish, fearful, mistrusting and overweight society that we have become. It's not a political move, it's a change in society's role and function. No nation is perfect but we have become a shadow of what we used to be.
This would be nice, but as most democratic ideals, it is just a "dream".
The reality is, we will not "change."

damn, and I used to be so positive about things.
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Old 10-22-2008, 05:00 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Can I get some opinions on my question please?
Sorry. Signed, sealed, delivered in post 5.
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Old 10-22-2008, 05:05 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Ok, I conclude neither the democrats nor the Republicans have any clue when would Obama take responsibility.

Thanks for all the in put.

-- Problem is on this forum we can not have a fair talk.
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Old 10-22-2008, 05:11 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Responsibility for cleaning the floor from the current mess begins January 1st.
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Responsibility for cleaning the floor from the current mess begins January 1st.
And will he be able to bring the situation back under control in his 1st year?
2nd year

end of 1st term

Never

will his wife start blaming bush if she start to run in 2016?

He is a Senator for about three years what part of the blame goes to him and the rest of the senate?

Do Democrats ever admit that they could not handle being majority?

When will the Senate start to function?

Finally

Will be blame game end? or continue?
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if Obama get elected - how long will he be blaming bush?
Have you ever made any public criticisms of the Bush admin? If so, remind us all and list them here. If not, why not?
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If you are upset, stock_post, deliver your concerns to the current administration. Bush & Cheney are directly responsible for the decisions, choices and results as seen and witnessed in America, after 8 years of management. I think your expectations define how you vote. If you think McCain will do a better job, vote for him. To just toss questions that depend on a multitude of processes offers no direct answers. Other than that, involving Michelle Obama as a future candidate in politics is, I believe, rather naive at this point.

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Obama keeps pissing on Bush and alot of the mist lands on McCain.

The Democratic Party Sucks under Obama's Presidency.
How much more do you want me to criticize Bush?
McCain offers no distinct departure from Bush's politics. Therefore, directing attention to this fact kills two birds with one stone.
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Ok, I conclude neither the democrats nor the Republicans have any clue when would Obama take responsibility.

Thanks for all the in put.

-- Problem is on this forum we can not have a fair talk.
I thought I was very clear.

The current mess will take at least 6 years to clear up and get this nation back on solid ground.

Regardless who is in office, all the ills created by Bush WILL NOT be remedied in anyone's 4 year reign.

The next president can and will have to take responsibility for any issues he/she creates outside of the economic, environmental, global mess Bush has gotten us into.

But to assume if and when that person will take responsibility for their own actions and deeds is day one outside of what the bushwhacker has done.

Responsibilty? Hell, I want accountability!

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Other than that, involving Michelle Obama as a future candidate in politics is, I believe, rather naive at this point.
Michele Obama? Hells bells, there is a bigger crisis looming:

Making Plans for Palin

Is Palin making plans for 2012?

I ask because she's contradicted John McCain on a number of subjects in recent weeks--and every contradiction seems calibrated to preserve (or even enhance) her standing with the Republican base should the Arizona senator lose on Nov. 4.

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Have you ever made any public criticisms of the Bush admin? If so, remind us all and list them here. If not, why not?
You do the searching.

I was against Bush for going into Iraq.
-- As of today that is a mistake that stands out.

If you can't find it keep searching.

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If you are upset, stock_post, deliver your concerns to the current administration. Bush & Cheney are directly responsible for the decisions, choices and results as seen and witnessed in America, after 8 years of management. I think your expectations define how you vote. If you think McCain will do a better job, vote for him. To just toss questions that depend on a multitude of processes offers no direct answers. Other than that, involving Michelle Obama as a future candidate in politics is, I believe, rather naive at this point.



McCain offers no distinct departure from Bush's politics. Therefore, directing attention to this fact kills two birds with one stone.
Would that ever become history? or will that keep going forward for the rest of Obama and His wife's presidency.

Does it need another Republican to come and clean?
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Old 10-22-2008, 07:23 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Have you ever made any public criticisms of the Bush admin? If so, remind us all and list them here. If not, why not?
Have you ever made any public criticisms of the Clinton admin or Obama? If so, remind us all and list them here. If not, why not?

You always ask Republican members to do this when you never do... Hypocrite.
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Stock post,

Obviously you are not getting the answers you want to hear or read. Or perhaps you are not reading the responses to your own question.

I wish you well in you conducting your own assessment and research and in-depth analysis.

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Stock post,

Obviously you are not getting the answers you want to hear or read. Or perhaps you are not reading the responses to your own question.

I wish you well in you conducting your own assessment and research and in-depth analysis.

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I saw your post - that was a number that I can live with.

No other member has put a figure like you did.

The problem with your number is there is no responsibility for Obama to really do what he is promising to do.

He would like to get re-elected and if he can not deliver??

I would like him to say I am planning to go here on my 1st year
2nd year, 3rd year you would see some positive progress etc.
So, he has the obligation to deliver.
We can have our expectations.

Like project deadlines we have in the industry.



Note: I am not a Republican - I am an independent.
Voting for Obama thinking that his Muslim Faith will change the liberals from being too far off.
I sated that many times.
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The problem with your number is there is no responsibility for Obama to really do what he is promising to do.
The above was not your question:

how long will he be blaming bush?

Now you are raising another issue and another matter.

To answer this matter, look at ALL three debates and the repeated evasiveness to the question (paraphrased); In light of the current economic crisis, what programs and promises made in your campaign are you going to have to eliminate?

Without a doubt, no matter who or what is in office, programs and promises WILL HAVE to be cut. There are no two ways around it.

This country can not afford to bail out so few who have screwed up so damn much!

To turn back the clock on what has been been done is impossible! Simply impossible.

To deny it ever happened and to deny accountability is criminal.

IRREGARDLESS WHO IS IN OFFICE, promises made will have to go away.
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Irregardless, I believe we will not see a recovery for at least 6 years to some sort of sense of normalcy.

You guys are already preparing excuses. If things don't turn around, it is Bush's fault. If they do turn around, either candidate will take credit for it.

How is it that this country is in the toilet and Obama raises $150,000,000.00 in one month? Apparently things aren't so bad in the disposable income department.
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You guys are already preparing excuses. If things don't turn around, it is Bush's fault. If they do turn around, either candidate will take credit for it.

How is it that this country is in the toilet and Obama raises $150,000,000.00 in one month? Apparently things aren't so bad in the disposable income department.
You can't be serious.

If you truly believe bush is guiltless, you need to stick your head in that toilet flush it a few times and let us know when you have had enough.

Those same "you guys" will be the GOP when McCain gets in but you will still hear me saying the same thing. He will be responsible for his/her own deeds when assuming that position.

As for assuming a position, bush and his entire administration has screwed this entire nation. Anyone who wants to point the finger elsewhere would be better off putting that finger up their own arse seeing that they enjoyed it so much and just can't get enough of it.
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As for assuming a position, bush and his entire administration has screwed this entire nation. Anyone who wants to point the finger elsewhere would be better off putting that finger up their own arse seeing that they enjoyed it so much and just can't get enough of it.
I know your post was directed at Fearless, but I can help myself here....

Why is it that you and others conveniently overlook the role of Congress when you dish out crap like this? If you guys think everything bad in this Country is all Bush's fault, I think you need to stick your head in that toilet and flush it more than a few times.
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I know your post was directed at Fearless, but I can help myself here....

Why is it that you and others conveniently overlook the role of Congress when you dish out crap like this? If you guys think everything bad in this Country is all Bush's fault, I think you need to stick your head in that toilet and flush it more than a few times.
Regarding the Iraq debacle...

Congress was duped, the pentagon was duped, the UN was duped, the American people were duped.

Regarding the whitewash $700 billion debacle...

Congress was put up against the wall and the American people were being held hostess.

Haliburton was not a Congressional decision along with their no-bid contracts.

The Katrina joke was not a congressional decision. It was totally and 100% an administrative F'up. And the years following have been.

I could go on and on and on. And I could research and name how every single congress person voted on what and how they voted.

The status quo is no more and has got to change and has got to go.

The old saying, "if it at broke, don't fix it."

Well, Bush broke it, dismantled it, doesn't know how to put it back together and has no clue how to fix it.

Yup, from one republican to another, you need to see what you've been missing or you are going to miss it again.
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