if Obama get elected - how long will he be blaming bush?

[Poker]

Originally Posted by Raider

Why is it that you and others conveniently overlook the role of Congress when you dish out crap like this? If you guys think everything bad in this Country is all Bush's fault, I think you need to stick your head in that toilet and flush it more than a few times..

Why is it that you and others conveniently overlook the role of republicans in congress and the senate and the white house all of which they controlled for the first 6 years of Bush's reign. Guess your too busy trying to blame it all on dem control of the congress for the last two...go figure...

[Area52]

Originally Posted by stock_post

If Obama get elected - how long will he be blaming bush?

I'm sure he would do it as long as he could get away with it.

Originally Posted by stock_post

Does he ever take responsibility?

Maybe we should ask Alice Palmer?

Originally Posted by stock_post

For the last two years Democrats are in control of the senate and they continue to blame bush but no one else!

Thats why "few" Congressmen are truly respected. Alot of them may get a suprise this November.

Originally Posted by stock_post

If elected will he continues to do it until his two terms?
Will it stop then or two terms are needed as well?

He's got to have the first term before the second.

Originally Posted by stock_post

How much responsibility does the senate has? (if they have any at all)

They have a huge responsibility. The President cannot act in many situations without the approval of Congress.

Originally Posted by stock_post

What did they do for the last two years and what can we expect from them?.

They campaigned for reelection (on our time of course), passed tons of bills acknowleging the existance or accomplishments of various people and places, attempted to buy votes and appropiated billions of dollars that we don't have. Oh, they also gave the treasuary secretary the authority to spend $700+ billions dollars to bail out various entities as he wishes. You can expect them to spend and tax us to death, in that order.

Originally Posted by stock_post

The Democrats continue to blame bush?

What else do you expect? It's the road far more traveled.

[Raider]

Originally Posted by Poker

Why is it that you and others conveniently overlook the role of republicans in congress and the senate and the white house all of which they controlled for the first 6 years of Bush's reign. Guess your too busy trying to blame it all on dem control of the congress for the last two...go figure...

Never overlooked it, Our troubles started the last 2 years in case you haven't noticed, 2 years of Democratic control.

Originally Posted by Doc Com

The Katrina joke was not a congressional decision. It was totally and 100% an administrative F'up. And the years following have been.

I'll concede on that one.

Originally Posted by Doc Com

Congress was put up against the wall and the American people were being held hostess.

The Dems in Congress couldn't wait to vote Yes and pass the bill, fact is they love spending money and adding their little goodies in there... They also knew Bush would sign off on anything to get the 700 Billion.. Anyway, the whole bailout stinks!, and the American people are the ones who got screwed.

Originally Posted by Doc Com

Haliburton was not a Congressional decision along with their no-bid contracts

Name other Contractors who can do what Haliburton does in the same amount of time.

[tas38]

Obama done a interview for time due out at the end of the week, the guy doing the interview. Said he ask obama what he going to do to get the markets going again, if he wins the race. Obama he would put at the top of the list, to have a green based market system. The interviewer said he was very firm about it this time, meaning this time we will be going with green with alt fuels.

Ha Raider you remember what I said before, about everyone knowing that MMGWing was real. After the race was over and that when new priz took office, that they would be making a speech on it. And that a world MMGWing treaty would be inked, and that we would be going green.

And that the oil market would start going to a green market fast, well it sure looks like I called it right on the money. I was wrong about hillary winning the race though, and I was wrong about obama. I really like him now as he has proved him self, and mccain well mccain is not mccain anymore. The real mccain would of had a good chance, but that was not to be and it's the far rights fault.

[JMJ]

Originally Posted by Raider

Never overlooked it, Our troubles started the last 2 years in case you haven't noticed, 2 years of Democratic control.

In case you didn't notice a lot of people said this was going to happen before two years ago. Including myself. If you need me to point you towards the link/s again I'll be glad to. And I'm assuming you haven't watched that series I mentioned. You should, it's not one of those "conspiracy theories" it's three hours of factual information that explains to you why we are where we are. DO yourself a favor and figure it out now instead of much later (whats it going to take two years?) and you feel like a complete ***.

[tetrapak]

John, can you please PM me the links?

[H2FC]

Originally Posted by tas38

Obama done a interview for time due out at the end of the week, the guy doing the interview. Said he ask obama what he going to do to get the markets going again, if he wins the race. Obama he would put at the top of the list, to have a green based market system. The interviewer said he was very firm about it this time, meaning this time we will be going with green with alt fuels.

Ha Raider you remember what I said before, about everyone knowing that MMGWing was real. After the race was over and that when new priz took office, that they would be making a speech on it. And that a world MMGWing treaty would be inked, and that we would be going green.

And that the oil market would start going to a green market fast, well it sure looks like I called it right on the money. I was wrong about hillary winning the race though, and I was wrong about obama. I really like him now as he has proved him self, and mccain well mccain is not mccain anymore. The real mccain would of had a good chance, but that was not to be and it's the far rights fault.

Well said tas....the Tomb Raider WantaBe never believed this and I'm sure would never admit it even if she did but I sure do. Obama will put a new clean green alternative energy economy front and center and it will provide jobs and money to rebuild...or should I say salvage our economy from certain ruin.

Not only will it salvage our economy but it will put the USA in a respectful place in the world again by doing what many people think is impossible.....solving a world crisis and saving our planet from destruction by those who would ignore the damages of burning fossil fuels for energy.

This election means as much to the whole world as it does to the USA. It is IMPERATIVE the world has a STRONG LEADER who will do everything in his power to develop and impliment clean green alternative fuels and energies, mainly solar and wind, to replace fossil fuels. This is what it will take to restore America to greatness and at the same time solve the big majority of the worlds problems. Its possible and its feasible....A clean green alternative energy economy equates to peace, prosperity, and happiness. Not just here in America.....but worldwide and I believe Obama will be the strong leader we need to accomplish it!

[BILLBO]

Just to interject here, have people seen todays polls out so far?

National: Obama up by.....4, 5, 7, 12
Ohio: Obama up by.....12, 14
Pennsylvania: Obama up by....10, 11, 13
Michigan: Obama up by ....22
Minnesota: Obama up by....19
Wisconsin: Obama up by .....13
Iowa: Obama up by .....13
Indiana: Obama up by ....10
Illinois: Obama up by ....29
Florida: Obama up by ....5

By the looks of it it is no longer 'if' but 'when' Obama is elected.

[Doc Com]

Originally Posted by Raider

The Dems in Congress couldn't wait to vote Yes and pass the bill, fact is they love spending money and adding their little goodies in there... They also knew Bush would sign off on anything to get the 700 Billion.. Anyway, the whole bailout stinks!, and the American people are the ones who got screwed.



Name other Contractors who can do what Haliburton does in the same amount of time.

Wow, blame the dems for voting yes. Amazing. With the country teetering on collapse, you are placing blame on them for voting yes. I wish you well in balancing your checkbook.

Name other contractors? If it is names you are looking for, there are a few such as Aramar, the largest food contractor service in the world. Oh, but wait, they could not bid. Instead, Haliburton got that job too. Why is that an issue? Seems Haliburton was billing you and I for 50,000 meals a day that were not actually served.

Fuel service providers for the troops? Globally, I am sure that there are numerous companies that could file the role. But, wait...foreign companies let along US companies were not allowed to bid. Instead, Haliburton got that job. When gas was about 40 cents per gallon in Iraq, Haliburton was charging America's GI's over $3.50 per gallon. Result, an apology and a slap on the wrist from the Bush administration.

But to find out the real dirt on Halliburton, you need to know all its subsidiaries and its subcontractors names like KBR and so on.

As for who else could do what Dick Cheney and Haliburton does? I would say the Mafia and any other extortionists who have a long history of over billing and over charging.

It is called War Profiteering and it is illegal.

[jasdon11]

Originally Posted by JMJ

In case you didn't notice a lot of people said this was going to happen before two years ago. Including myself. If you need me to point you towards the link/s again I'll be glad to. And I'm assuming you haven't watched that series I mentioned. You should, it's not one of those "conspiracy theories" it's three hours of factual information that explains to you why we are where we are. DO yourself a favor and figure it out now instead of much later (whats it going to take two years?) and you feel like a complete ***.

I just watched all three this afternoon. Very good!

I feel the writer held back a bit, perhaps fearing that the powers that be, might stop it from being aired. That said, it was made for the BBC but I don't recal ever seeing it on TV.

Incredible when you see the roles that Rumsfeld and Cheney have been performing for decades.

What I don't understand is, the evidence is right there of lies, corruption, leading to mass murder; why aren't these people being tried? What's going on?

[JMJ]

Originally Posted by tetrapak

John, can you please PM me the links?

I'm not sure which links you're referring to but I'll post a few here. I would rather post them in as many public places as possible. That's one of the problems you don't see these things on your on your TV and talked about on your favorite news channel. At least not here in the US anyway.

This series is 3 parts. It explains how and why "al-qaeda" came to be. Along with many other contributing factors and influential people who shaped where we find ourselves at this point and time

The Power of Nightmares
http://video.google.com/videosearch?...htmares&emb=0#

These next two are about the economy. The first is an elementary video that lasts about 45 minutes.

Money As Debt

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...74362583451279

The second is another 3 hour long video that I highly suggest. This video was made back in the 90's. I'm sure many (for those that even saw it) passed it off as a "conspiracy theory" but as everything is unfolding right before your eyes it's hard to deny. And keep in mind this isn't just a problem in America. These same principles are used around the world.

The Money Masters

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...19560256183936

These should keep you busy for a few days. But I do have more

[Raider]

Originally Posted by Doc Com

Wow, blame the dems for voting yes. Amazing. With the country teetering on collapse, you are placing blame on them for voting yes. I wish you well in balancing your checkbook.

I'm not blaming just the dems for voting on the bailout, just pointing out they loved it when Bush asked for it and couldn't wait to vote YES as long as it contained their little goodies. I could see the gleem in Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi's eyes when Bush first asked for it.

Originally Posted by Doc Com

Name other contractors? If it is names you are looking for, there are a few such as Aramar, the largest food contractor service in the world. Oh, but wait, they could not bid. Instead, Haliburton got that job too. Why is that an issue?

Is Aramar a Construction company to? I think if the US acted as it's own General Contractor, we would have a much bigger mess than we have right now... Forget about the Halliburton screw-ups for a minute and try to rationalize why the US Government chose Halliburton in the first place, and spare me the Dick Cheney BS.

[jasdon11]

Originally Posted by Raider

Forget about the Halliburton screw-ups for a minute and try to rationalize why the US Government chose Halliburton in the first place, and spare me the Dick Cheney BS.

What do you mean? That's like saying "tell me how they drowned, but spare me the water BS".

[Raider]

Originally Posted by jasdon11

What do you mean? That's like saying "tell me how they drowned, but spare me the water BS".

Your brain must be the size of a peanut... Think real hard Jas, maybe you can open your mind for just a split second.

[jasdon11]

Originally Posted by Raider

Your brain must be the size of a peanut... Think real hard Jas, maybe you can open your mind for just a split second.

How ironic that you should use the term "open your mind" to someone else.

Instead of hurling insults, and showing just how much you DON'T know, why not watch 'The Power Of Nightmares' as JMJ said. I dare you...you probably won't ever come back on this forum...if you can understand it that is!

[Doc Com]

Originally Posted by Raider

Is Aramar a Construction company to? I think if the US acted as it's own General Contractor, we would have a much bigger mess than we have right now... Forget about the Halliburton screw-ups for a minute and try to rationalize why the US Government chose Halliburton in the first place, and spare me the Dick Cheney BS.

I can not get over you defending them and Dick Cheney.

No Aramar is NOT a construction Company. How many construction companies nationally and globally could have and should have bid.

There is two major reasons why Haliburton moved it world's headquarters:

There is no extradition agreement with the US and Dubai therefore those charged with fraud can not be extradited to the US.

Haliburton will not have to pay federal income taxes on the billions charged, overcharged, and profited.

Still, you ask an additional question on top of your questions on top of your questions while all the time being evasive regarding the overcharging of 50,000 meals a day and overcharging by nearly 900% the price of a gallon of gas to the military.

I have come to pity you and people like you who are going through life with blinders on.

On second thought, I have no pity. You would not want my pity. Most of all, you seem somewhat educated. Therefore, you have chosen to be the way you are, talk the way you talk, and think the way you think. Evidently you have made a conscious decision to live the way you do and follow the herds to be prodded to believe the party line 100%.

My God, I hope the hell McCain wins. Otherwise, we will have four more years of your endless and ceaseless bantering and blaming. You continually want to go back and blame Kennedy and Clinton and Jimmy Carter for the ills of this nation as if George W. Bush is the new messiah and every thing he has done from day one is nothing short of miraculous.

I wish you nothing but the best in a close minded society that you follow and worship and a utopian lifestyle.

[Raider]

Originally Posted by jasdon11

How ironic that you should use the term "open your mind" to someone else.

This question is not only for you Jas but Doc as well... Are you saying the only reason Halliburton was awarded the contract in Iraq was because of Dick Cheney and his interest in Halliburton? Is that what your saying?

If not, explain to me your reasoning why they were given the no bid contracts.

Originally Posted by Doc Com

I can not get over you defending them and Dick Cheney.

Not defending anyone, Their are always two sides to every story, For someone who professes to have an open mind, your mind appears to be closed on this one.

[jasdon11]

Originally Posted by Raider

This question is not only for you Jas but Doc as well... Are you saying the only reason Halliburton was awarded the contract in Iraq was because of Dick Cheney and his interest in Halliburton? Is that what your saying?

The reason that Halliburton gets away with the raping and pillaging of the American people via it's scams in Iraq, is largely due to it's connection with Cheney. And you keep whittering on about paying an extra cent or so on your tax while thousand of you tax dollars are going to this very company; unbelievable.

What was until fairly recently, an oil services company, wouldn't seem like the first choice for field catering for instance. Or maybe using your logic, it would...

[Raider]

Originally Posted by jasdon11

The reason that Halliburton gets away with the raping and pillaging of the American people via it's scams in Iraq, is largely due to it's connection with Cheney. And you keep whittering on about paying an extra cent or so on your tax while thousand of you tax dollars are going to this very company; unbelievable.

What was until fairly recently, an oil services company, wouldn't seem like the first choice for field catering for instance. Or maybe using your logic, it would...

Just as I expected, you ignore the question that was asked, and answer it with your usual rhetoric... Is their anyone with an ounce of intelligence who can answer why the US Government chose Halliburton over other contractors?

[jasdon11]

Originally Posted by Raider

Just as I expected, you ignore the question that was asked, and answer it with your usual rhetoric... Is their anyone with an ounce of intelligence who can answer why the US Government chose Halliburton over other contractors?

We have answered it - just not the way you would like.

Can you not understand that I answered it, or do you have trouble with words over 5 letters?

Your question was

"Are you saying the only reason Halliburton was awarded the contract in Iraq was because of Dick Cheney and his interest in Halliburton? Is that what your saying?".

To make my answer easier for you to comprehend, if you change the word 'only' to 'main', I would answer, yes!