I'll show you Obama's Birth Certificate when...

[jberryhill]

I thought we already established I wasn't a professional word game player which doesn't make me a liar.

JMJ, you told me the secret service "shut down" a "lawsuit" in your state.

Oh, so now it takes a professional "word game player" to tell the difference between a lawsuit and a piece of crap mailed to a government official?

It is a "professional word game" that Fitzpatrick was booted out of the Navy after being convicted of embezzlement in 1990?

In that case, I guess Charlie Manson is Admiral of the Sixth Fleet.

You've been lied to. You believe it. You are happy believing it. And you are upset with me for pointing out that you've been lied to.

You LOVE being lied to, JMJ, as long as the lies are what you want to hear.

The fact of the matter is that SOMEONE made you believe the Secret Service "shut down" a "lawsuit" in your state.

That is complete and utter nonsense. Are you angry with the person who told you that nonsense, or are you angry with me for telling you the truth?

[Raider]

You LOVE being lied to, JMJ, as long as the lies are what you want to hear.

And you LOVE dishing out those lies.

or are you angry with me for telling you the truth?

No, I dont think it's that.

[JMJ]

JMJ, you told me the secret service "shut down" a "lawsuit" in your state.

Oh, so now it takes a professional "word game player" to tell the difference between a lawsuit and a piece of crap mailed to a government official?

It is a "professional word game" that Fitzpatrick was booted out of the Navy after being convicted of embezzlement in 1990?

In that case, I guess Charlie Manson is Admiral of the Sixth Fleet.

You've been lied to. You believe it. You are happy believing it. And you are upset with me for pointing out that you've been lied to.

You LOVE being lied to, JMJ, as long as the lies are what you want to hear.

The fact of the matter is that SOMEONE made you believe the Secret Service "shut down" a "lawsuit" in your state.

That is complete and utter nonsense. Are you angry with the person who told you that nonsense, or are you angry with me for telling you the truth?

John I've consumed probably 14 hours a day worth of information for over a year now regarding whats going on right now in our country. It's not just about Obama. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Not all of it is completely accurate. This is information coming from so called reliable mainstream sources and non-mainstream. Odds are that the so called reliable mainstream sources are becoming more and more not so reliable. I certainly can't get it all right and I certainly can't fact check every bit of information.

I've also stated that I don't mind being corrected. What I do mind is being called names. And you have attacked me for quite some time and you don't know the first thing about me. I've been doing business here and many other related forums for many years now and you won't be able to find one person online or offline for that matter who would call me anything close to a liar or whatever other reference you choose to use.

With that said, I stated at the very beginning of my posting in this thread that the birth certificate itself doesn't really change much for me because there are many other factors involved in what/why I think about Obama the way I do. You will not be able to change my mind about that and I will obviously not be able to change yours. I do hope you're right about Obama because if I'm right then we've got a very big problem on our hands. The people who have been wrong all along are still in control of the sinking ship and from the looks of it they want to take everyone down with them. The people who have been right are getting out on life boats. I'm going with them. I suggest you do the same.

[jberryhill]

And you LOVE dishing out those lies.

Ah, Raider, so you are a birther too? Perhaps since JMJ has gotten into his lifeboat and sailed away, then you have some "true" information about JMJ's contention that a "lawsuit" was "shut down" by the Secret Service in Tennesee?

Good to see you step up to the plate on this one.

John I've consumed probably 14 hours a day worth of information for over a year now

JMJ, you can spend 20 hours a day reading comic books too. The point is that it is obvious that you spend a lot of time reading things that conform to what you want to hear. It really doesn't matter how much time you spend reading garbage, you have disengaged your critical thinking ability and believe whatever it is you want, independent of verifiable facts, such as whether Walter Fitzpatrick is an officer of any navy outside of his own bathtub, or whether mailing his rants to the US Attorney is a "lawsuit".

You don't mind being corrected? You are "sure" that Mr. Obama has spent "millions" on some actions involving "sealing" records which in the ordinary course are not available about any person, such as me, you, and every candidate who most certainly did not "cough up" the laundry list of minutiae which you are "sure" costs "millions" to prevent others from obtaining.

You said all of the others made this information available. I'm simply asking you to back up what you say with facts. Show me the birth certificates of the last four presidents. I'm not the one who said this stuff is available to the general public - you are. Back it up with facts and not some rant from the fever swamps of blogs written by birthers and neo-confederate traitors, or convicted criminals.

the birth certificate itself doesn't really change much for me because there are many other factors involved in what/why I think about Obama the way I do.

The location of Mr. Obama's birth is not an "opinion". But you are correct, I am certain there are "many other factors" that go into your conclusion that he is somehow "different". I'm absolutely certain there are.

[JMJ]

This will give you a 30 minute taste of what I'm talking about John.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1VbGcaVvFM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CejlvDU5Hkw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OvUYiBwHXo

You can continue listening to Obama until you and he turn blue in the face. If he isn't addressing the real problems in this country but rather continuing the cover up, dis-information and rewarding those who got us here in the first place it does no one any good. They'll be sipping drinks on the beach in some far away land while people like me will be trying to piece the country back together once it comes crashing down and it will unless all the madness is stopped now... All I have to say is they better enjoy it while it lasts. More and more people are learning the who, how, where, when and why. They'll need to figure out Osama's hide and go seek tactics that's for sure.

[jberryhill]

JMJ, your broader issues with the monetary system are neither relevant to the topic, nor specific to Obama. We'd have the same monetary system which we've had for decades regardless of who was elected.

So, let's see if we can stay on one subject at a time, instead of changing the subject when it becomes convenient.

I asked you to back up your assertion about the "millions of dollars".

Today, we have a new data point for you.

About two weeks ago, Orly Taitz filed another one of her lawsuits. This one in Georgia was filed on behalf of an army captain who did not want to deploy to Iraq unless the president proved he was a natural born citizen.

The case was defended by a relatively junior US Attorney, and two officers from the Army litigation division. There was a 15 minute hearing on Friday, but the plaintiff hadn't shown up, so it was continued to Monday. On Monday, the hearing lasted about an hour, and the US had filed a brief of about 15 pages.

Here's the denial of the emergency motion and dismissal of the case which issued today:

http://ia311028.us.archive.org/1/ite...77605.13.0.pdf

Among other things, please read the last line of the order:

For the reasons previously stated, Plaintiff’s motion for a
temporary restraining order is denied and Plaintiff’s complaint is
dismissed in its entirety. Defendants shall recover their costs from
Plaintiff.

So, you want to know how much that action cost Obama or the US government - zip. That one is going on Orly's tab. Donate generously.

And, yes, this case included the "Kenyan Birth Certificate" obtained from Lucas Smith - a con man with multiple fraud and forgery convictions in the State of Iowa.

The judge, incidentally, is a former Republican GA state senator, was nominated by Sen. Saxby Chambliss (R) and appointed by George W. Bush (R).

Total productive output on the defense side - 15 pages and about 4.5 man-hours in court.

Captain Rhodes is on her way to Iraq as what the military calls a "Blue Falcon", since everyone else on her mission knows she tried to bail on them. She got two years of medical school paid on our dime, and suddenly decided that orders were questionable when she received her deployment order. Every order she'd gotten up to that point were fine by her.

Defending against frivolous BS on preliminary motions is cheap.

But, you want to talk millions? Hillary Clinton and John McCain each had millions to spend to defeat Barack Obama. If only they were as smart as you, and spent hours a day reading conspiracy crap on the internet.

[JMJ]

I've stated before and I'll state again. It is the financial issues which I have been most concerned with and what got me into this all to begin with. Obama's birth certificate is just a small part of that which keeps coming up in my research into that entire issue. In fact I see even in this discussion how it more than likely is nothing more than a side show to keep people from discussing the real issues at hand. So I will no longer be debating the issue.

[jberryhill]

In fact I see even in this discussion how it more than likely is nothing more than a side show to keep people from discussing the real issues at hand.

[ordersomething]

This should go on failblog if it's not there already.

[JMJ]

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John I didn't say I'm giving up on the issue or that you have changed my mind on anything about the issue. I still firmly believe he has something to hide. I'm just no longer spending any time on debating the issue. Get it?

[jberryhill]

JMJ, you go right on firmly believing.

People believe lots of things.

I remain intrigued by your comment that Obama could "easily" make this thing go away, particularly in view of the fact that you have advanced the "two citizen parent" theory of birthright citizenship.

I'm not asking you to debate, but simply explain what you meant by that. We all know and admit that his father was a Kenyan citizen, so how does this "easily" go away among birthers who believe that is a disqualifying fact?

Arguing is one thing. Making some sort of sense in your own propositions is quite another.

[think]

You would think this would put it to rest. Posted Wednesday, September 16, 2009:

Judge Tosses Obama Citizenship Lawsuit
By NICK DIVITO

A federal judge in Georgia tossed a lawsuit filed by an Army captain who fought deployment to Iraq by questioning the legitimacy of President Obama's American citizenship.
In dismissing Capt. Connie Rhodes' Sept. 4 lawsuit, U.S. District Court Judge Clay Land also threatened her attorney, Orly Taitz, with sanctions if she filed such a "frivolous" lawsuit again in his court.
Rhodes "has presented no credible evidence and has made no reliable factual allegations to support her unsubstantiated ... allegations ... that President Obama is ineligible to serve as president of the United States," Land wrote. "Instead, she uses her complaint as a platform for spouting political rhetoric, such as her claims that the president is 'an illegal usurper, an unlawful pretender, (and) an unqualified imposter.'"

http://www.courthousenews.com/2009/0...ip_Lawsuit.htm

[jberryhill]

You would think this would put it to rest.

Crazy never rests, Think.

By the way, that report is about the decision to which I linked above. I prefer original sources.