I'll show you Obama's Birth Certificate when...

[Doc Com]

In another thread I mentioned my buddy Gene from Baton Rouge stopping in to see me. We briefly talked politics but it was mostly about Jefferson and Nagin of Louisiana.

Do you want to know what the GOP did to someone like this...a Vietnam vet, a retired Marine with over 24 years of service, and a huge admirer of McCain.

As much as he liked McCain, he hated the GOP more for their blatant attack and lies with their Swift Boat Attack ads. He knew Kerry. See, the US Marines are part of the US Navy.

To Gene, it was not about Obama, it was not about McCain...it was about what the GOP did to in attempts to lie and discredit a fellow Vietnam veteran...even though Gene is a lifelong Republican.

And Palin. He said she was good to look at and probably fun to take fishing and crabbing but he would rather "hear a swamp dog scream getting its balls bit off by a gator than to listen her speak". Sorry if I misquoted ya, Gene.

[JMJ]

I've tried to stay away from commenting on the issue myself but I have looked into all of the claims and I would have to say that Obama is very likely not a constitutional "natural born" citizen. Here is a good explanation of how and why that term came to be

http://www.thebirthers.org/USC/Vattel.html

I believe that he is being used as a tool to try to bring the states into a Constitutional Convention so those that are currently in control can legalize the many things they and their predecessors have been doing unconstitutionally for years.

[Area52]

Originally Posted by Doc Com

Agree...but getting pissed off under Obama is better than getting pissed on by Bush.

I suppose according to some democrats, Bush is the cause for their own twisted logic, and Eve eating the apple, and both World Wars,
and Korea, and Vietnam, and racial prejudice, and their divorce, and the swine flu, and lost birth certificates, and...

Originally Posted by JMJ

I've tried to stay away from commenting on the issue myself but I have looked into all of the claims and I would have to say that Obama is very likely not a constitutional "natural born" citizen. Here is a good explanation of how and why that term came to be

http://www.thebirthers.org/USC/Vattel.html

I believe that he is being used as a tool to try to bring the states into a Constitutional Convention so those that are currently in control can legalize the many things they and their predecessors have been doing unconstitutionally for years.

Watch out if he pulls a Chavez, What am I saying, he already did.

[Doc Com]

Originally Posted by Area52

I suppose according to some democrats, Bush is the cause for their own twisted logic, and Eve eating the apple, and both World Wars,
and Korea, and Vietnam, and racial prejudice, and their divorce, and the swine flu, and lost birth certificates, and...

IF you want to pat Georgie Boy on the back and tell him Job Well Done, then by all means please do.

[Area52]

Originally Posted by Doc Com

IF you want to pat Georgie Boy on the back and tell him Job Well Done, then by all means please do.

You are throwing your bait in the wrong direction. That wasn't a pat on George's back. It was an expose of simple minded, repetitive and
retalitory tactics used whenever a comment is made about the present administration, which is losing support (deservedly) as we speak.
So, in your mind, if someone does not agree with your viewpoint about Obama, they are automatically a Bush supporter.
A very narrow-minded assumption. Many U.S. citizens are wanting to kick somebody's a*s over this healthcare horror show of a bill.
It won't be Bush's. Do you get it?

[Poker]

Originally Posted by Area52

Many U.S. citizens are wanting to kick somebody's ass over this healthcare horror show of a bill.
It won't be Bush's. Do you get it?

Mainly due to misinformation tactics and diversions orchestrated by the right, nothing new there and nothing new about some gullible Americans falling for their bs...if you agree with their birther and healthcare socialsm scams then these people are also using you my friend.

[Area52]

Originally Posted by Poker

Mainly due to misinformation tactics and diversions orchestrated by the right, nothing new there and nothing new about some gullible Americans falling for their bs...if you agree with their birther and healthcare socialsm scams then these people are also using you my friend.

Misinformation tactics and diversions is exactly how Obama operates.
Push these scam bills through a democrat party ruled congress before anyone knows what is contained in them, even Obama himself.
And what is contained in them is the potential to gravely harm this country and consolidate even more power to the federal government.
They even go so far as time the vote as to where members do not have time to read the bill. And it still passed.
This is a travesty and a blatant betrayal of trust and confidence of the American people. Even bordering on treason.
Similar actions would have caused a revolution in some countries.
Anyone that knows this and still supports and takes up for these democratic party policies and actions, I would regard as the same.

[Poker]

Watch some other news.

[Doc Com]

Originally Posted by Area52

You are throwing your bait in the wrong direction. That wasn't a pat on George's back. It was an expose of simple minded, repetitive and
retalitory tactics used whenever a comment is made about the present administration, which is losing support (deservedly) as we speak.
So, in your mind, if someone does not agree with your viewpoint about Obama, they are automatically a Bush supporter.
A very narrow-minded assumption. Many U.S. citizens are wanting to kick somebody's a*s over this healthcare horror show of a bill.
It won't be Bush's. Do you get it?

In my mind, Bush was, is, and will be the worst president in the history of this nation, bringing this nation to an all time low from the point of bankruptcy to total disdain by our global neighbors.

As for the healthcare horror show you and many americans shout about? Medicare and medicaid are two US Government backed health plans. Ask your grandparents or parents if they are ready to give up Medicare. They will tell you no. Then remind them that it is a government healthcare plan. And watch the shock on their face.

You see, many people open their mouths before they put their brain in gear. The US government has been in the business of healthcare for decades. It's called the United States Military. All military personnel and their dependents get free healthcare. Ask them and their dependents if its all that bad.

I see government run healthcare on a daily - make that hourly - basis. I see so many people with no insurance, unemployed, illegal aliens. We are not turning them away. And who's paying for it? Your US Government. And me. It's called Gerrycaid.

This is what amazes me. People want the government to give them every thing and don't want to pay for it and don't want to give up anything.

That "don't want to give up anything" includes fatty foods, lack of exercise, cigarettes, illegal drugs, unprotected sex, alchohol...no body wants to give up a damn thing but expects everything to be given to them.

[Area52]

Originally Posted by Poker

Watch some other news.

What? Obama's hourly state of the union, I love to be on tv, staged events.

[PRED]

Originally Posted by Doc Com

Agree...but getting pissed off under Obama is better than getting pissed on by Bush.

lol
YOU should be on satellite doc

[Raider]

Originally Posted by PRED

lol
YOU should be on satellite doc

I don't think that will work Pred, Most Liberal buffoons like Al Franken never make it in Radio, Doc would have a better chance running for Congress, but he'll have to do it in another State, the people of North Carolina are not as stupid as in Minnesota.

Originally Posted by Doc Com

In my mind, Bush was, is, and will be the worst president in the history of this nation, bringing this nation to an all time low from the point of bankruptcy to total disdain by our global neighbors.

LMAO... Millions more are filing bankruptcy today under Obama than they ever did under Bush...

Bush gave us 7 years of prosperity while fighting two wars remember? the only thing Obama has given us is wasteful spending, a 1 trillion dollar budget deficit, and double digit unemployment, and yet you think Obama is one of the best Presidents that ever lived... LMAO

Obama's only been in office for less than a year, and yet his achievements almost mirror that of Jimmy Carters, Another "great" president.

[PRED]

Originally Posted by Raider

LMAO... Millions more are filing bankruptcy today under Obama than they ever did under Bush...

Bush gave us 7 years of prosperity while fighting two wars remember? the only thing Obama has given us is wasteful spending, a 1 trillion dollar budget deficit, and double digit unemployment, and yet you think Obama is one of the best Presidents that ever lived... LMAO

Obama's only been in office for less than a year, and yet his achievements almost mirror that of Jimmy Carters, Another "great" president.

hes been in power what , 7 months?

the fallout is from the years prior, all this and worse was to come, no avoiding it
trillions spent on wars too
the blame is at bush's door

it's like me racking up huge credit card debts by wasting money here there and everywhere,
then disappearing at end of it all, and leaving my wife to pay it. then people blaming 'her' for struggling to pay the bill
ludicrous

what a situation to inherit

as far as bush is concerned, the history books wont lie, however much you fool yourself

[Doc Com]

The definition of minority:

Those that believe Bush gave us 7 years of prosperity.

Definition of budget deficit:

Having a budget surplus of 2 trillion and ending up with a deficit of an estimated 3 trillion, as in having burned through 5 trillion in less than 8 years, perhaps the equivalent to the income of the top 1% of wealthiest people/institutions in America, including Haliburton.

Definition of Simpleton:

See The definition of minority.

[JMJ]

For it is this specific fear that prompted our first Supreme Court Chief Justice John Jay – to suggest to George Washington the following:

"Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen."

This letter was written on July 25, 1787. It is in direct response to Alexander Hamilton’s suggested Presidential requirement appearing in the first draft of the Constitution wherein Hamilton – five weeks earlier – on June 18, 1787 submitted the following:

"No person shall be eligible to the office of President of the United States unless he be now a Citizen of one of the States, or hereafter be born a Citizen of the United States. "

Hamilton’s original drafted presidential requirement was rejected by the framers. Instead of allowing any person born a citizen to be President, the framers chose to adopt the more stringent requirement from John Jay, that the President be a natural born citizen.

See my other post for definition of Natural Born Citizen and how that came to be.

[Poker]

Originally Posted by JMJ

For it is this specific fear that prompted our first Supreme Court Chief Justice John Jay – to suggest to George Washington the following:

"Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen."

JMJ, Obama is a natural born citizen. A Hawaii birth certificate is proof of that. Where is your proof to the contrary?

People are involved in the birther movement for various reasons (sour grapes, racism etc...) but they all agree on the desire to discredit his election by the American people. Unless you want to be grouped in with these idiots, substantiate your claims by providing proof that Obama is not a natural born citizen.

[JMJ]

Originally Posted by Poker

JMJ, Obama is a natural born citizen. A Hawaii birth certificate is proof of that. Where is your proof to the contrary?

People are involved in the birther movement for various reasons (sour grapes, racism etc...) but they all agree on the desire to discredit his election by the American people. Unless you want to be grouped in with these idiots, substantiate your claims by providing proof that Obama is not a natural born citizen.

You obviously didn't read my post on how the term "natural born citizen" came to be. Until you know the difference between a "citizen" and "natural born citizen" you can't argue the facts. Do you think they made that specific term for no reason? Personally I don't even like using the term citizen but in this case it's a must. That's another story in itself.

As far as the birth Certificate is concerned. No one has to have a birth certificate. But you aren't told that by those who borrow against it to fund their activities. That being the government.

[Doc Com]

I am absolutely shocked and amazed at the comments made by many (including this idiot named Sarah Palin) have made regarding healthcare.

I know of no place that would turn someone away, especially a child, that needed medical care. And if there is no place that turns someone away, then who pays for that care?

Your government.

Your government is already in the business of covering your sorry ass when you need healthcare.

These people at these rallies - many are perhaps unemployed and have no healthcare benefits. And I am 100% sure that even they would go to a hospital or a doctors office if sick and be seen even when they tell the admitting person that they have no health insurance.

Palin is a ****ing idiot and shows her stupidity while she thinks she is forwarding her own career and the GOP agenda by calling this a "death squad".

It just further adds to my conviction that every time she opens her mouth she displays her stupidity.

[JMJ]

Originally Posted by Doc Com

I am absolutely shocked and amazed at the comments made by many (including this idiot named Sarah Palin) have made regarding healthcare.

I know of no place that would turn someone away, especially a child, that needed medical care. And if there is no place that turns someone away, then who pays for that care?

Your government.

Your government is already in the business of covering your sorry ass when you need healthcare.

These people at these rallies - many are perhaps unemployed and have no healthcare benefits. And I am 100% sure that even they would go to a hospital or a doctors office if sick and be seen even when they tell the admitting person that they have no health insurance.

Palin is a ****ing idiot and shows her stupidity while she thinks she is forwarding her own career and the GOP agenda by calling this a "death squad".

It just further adds to my conviction that every time she opens her mouth she displays her stupidity.

It's not about health care for everyone in itself Doc. It's about money and control. They want all of it.

[Raider]

Originally Posted by PRED

hes been in power what , 7 months?

the fallout is from the years prior

Yes, that poor excuse we call our President has been in office now for 7 months, he's had 7 months to try and stop the bleeding and hasn't succeeded, instead, all he's done is open more wounds.

As for the 2 years prior, your right, When the Democrats won control of both houses, that's when things started to go bad, real bad... That we can agree on.