Its all about Pakistan !

[Ehsan]

Pakistan’s political and intelligence communities woke up late, discovering sometime late last year that our American ally has been working on bringing the war to Pakistan from the start.

Ever wonder why the American drones attacking Pakistan are manned by CIA and not the U.S. military? That’s because there is a plan. And the plan now is to carefully eliminate pro-Pakistan Pashtun tribal leaders and leave Islamabad with a civil war and maybe a Pashtun separatism while the Americans allow themselves the right to offer peace to Mullah Omar in Afghanistan.

But our troubles appear to be only starting. Bruce Riedel, who retired from CIA in 2006, is Barrack Obama’s adviser on Pakistan. Such is his obsession with Pakistan that he wrote a memo to President Clinton in 1998 designating Pakistan as the most dangerous country in the world and recommending that it be fixed. Today, Mr. Riedel is preparing a President Obama for a war with Pakistan, camouflaged in the usual American doublespeak about freedom, terrorism and stability.

http://www.ahmedquraishi.com/latest_col.php?id=75

[zehrila]

Their lame Attempt to destabilize and break the country shall meet its destiny.. FAIL

[Gerry]

Eshan,

I know this is a sensative subject to you.

The deal was in the making shortly before we went into Afghanistan.

The Pakistani government received a US team that basically gave Pakistan an ultimatum...cooperate with us, let our troops use your bases or else you will be included in our purge of the Taliban.

Yes, a threat. The arrangement called for arms to Pakistan, money, and the suppression of arch enemy India.

This has been revealed in declassified material and the participants of the US government have not denied this.

I will do my best to find links to this. I read this many years ago when it broke the news with AP and I do believe there has been a book published.

[PRED]

well, history will tell you what the US does to it's new friends. it arms them, tells them what to do, usually changes regime a few times, then becomes an aggressor, has a mess about again, maybe invades. but still claims to be the good guy and the worlds policeman.

good luck, you'll need it.

[Ehsan]

Eshan,

I know this is a sensitive subject to you.

The deal was in the making shortly before we went into Afghanistan.

The Pakistani government received a US team that basically gave Pakistan an ultimatum...cooperate with us, let our troops use your bases or else you will be included in our purge of the Taliban.

Yes, a threat. The arrangement called for arms to Pakistan, money, and the suppression of arch enemy India.

This has been revealed in declassified material and the participants of the US government have not denied this.

I will do my best to find links to this. I read this many years ago when it broke the news with AP and I do believe there has been a book published.

Yes but see but you have to have detailed info of the situation here , see the guy that was supporting America forcefully was Musharraf and he was smart enough to balance stuff but then when they saw he was too much for them they forcefully got him removed and have a more friendlier relationship with the new democratic govt , and then if you read the full article in the link you will see how the US is installing Indians into Afghanistan, Pakistan has always been used by the US to achieve there objectives and to secure there so called interests and they will go to any extent to do that and then there is the case of eliminating pro-Pakistan tribals who are fighting the war of terror with Pakistani military and then unauthorized drone attacks inside Pakistan is not the base of such a healthy relationship ?
pred explained the situation perfectly , USA is basically a world wide abuser , they abuse there power as the world's biggest economy and superpower

[zehrila]

Eshan,

I know this is a sensative subject to you.

The deal was in the making shortly before we went into Afghanistan.

The Pakistani government received a US team that basically gave Pakistan an ultimatum...cooperate with us, let our troops use your bases or else you will be included in our purge of the Taliban.

Yes, a threat. The arrangement called for arms to Pakistan, money, and the suppression of arch enemy India.

This has been revealed in declassified material and the participants of the US government have not denied this.

I will do my best to find links to this. I read this many years ago when it broke the news with AP and I do believe there has been a book published.

It was probably a better idea to stand against that Ultimatum and face what ever the consicuenses were. The fact saddens me how USA is using and abusing her ally.

well, history will tell you what the US does to it's new friends. it arms them, tells them what to do, usually changes regime a few times, then becomes an aggressor, has a mess about again, maybe invades. but still claims to be the good guy and the worlds policeman.

good luck, you'll need it.

Right on spot. Summarised pretty well.

[Donald Aquilano]

I think its the other way around. Pakistan has never been a friend to the US. This relationship has not resulted in destabilizing terrorist networks that reside in your country. Pakistan doesn't allow US ground troops to conduct operations that would eliminate much of its terrorist problem.

Pakistan has only itself to blame for the current condition its in.

[Ehsan]

I think its the other way around. Pakistan has never been a friend to the US. This relationship has not resulted in destabilizing terrorist networks that reside in your country. Pakistan doesn't allow US ground troops to conduct operations that would eliminate much of its terrorist problem.

Pakistan has only itself to blame for the current condition its in.

o really your posts amaze me , you seem to rewrite world history in few secs , would you allow Pakistani troops to kill texans and US Troops stationed in there own country , the so called terrorist problem was created by the USA itself if you haven't even read the history books and once again do i have to remind you with who's help you succeeded against russia. that's just my one reply to you because its not worth replying to you lol

[Gerry]

I think its the other way around. Pakistan has never been a friend to the US. This relationship has not resulted in destabilizing terrorist networks that reside in your country. Pakistan doesn't allow US ground troops to conduct operations that would eliminate much of its terrorist problem.

Pakistan has only itself to blame for the current condition its in.

Yup, every country on the globe should open up its borders to US to conduct covert and overt operations because, well dammit...we say so.

Even Pakistan's own military and services do not enter the mountainous tribal regions.

There is this thing called diplomacy. There has been progress made and some tribes have in fact rebeled against the Taliban. The Taliban have gone from haven seekers to attempt to instill their law and extremist lifestyle on the tribespeople.

Sure, patience is growing thin.

But my God, seven years later? Thousands of live's later? Hundreds of thousands of civilian casualties and we want to place the blame on someone else?

Forget the damn fact that hundreds of thousands of troops were needlessly pulled out of Afghanistan to invade and occupy a nation that was no immediate threat to the US along with no identifiable enemy.

[Bill Roy]

Can I ask some very serious questions please.

What the hell do people think Pakistan has that America wants?

Now if the Taliban and Al Qaida are 'holing up' in Pakistan and Pakistan does not act or more to the point effectively act against them then how could Pakistan be classed as 'allies of the US'?

As for the bomb which killed the leaders of some tribes that had signed up to fight the Taliban and/or Al Qaida can you please show evidence of who planted this bomb, and I do not mean some rumour. It seems far more likely to me that the bomb would have been planted by the Taliban/Al Qaida or their sympathizers.

[Seraphim]

I think its the other way around. Pakistan has never been a friend to the US. This relationship has not resulted in destabilizing terrorist networks that reside in your country. Pakistan doesn't allow US ground troops to conduct operations that would eliminate much of its terrorist problem.

Pakistan has only itself to blame for the current condition its in.

Territorial integrity is the cornerstone of any civilization, Pakistan included. The solution is in helping Pakistan to efficiently address a "domestic" problem that has international consequences. Cross border raids by US soldiers have already resulted in Pakistani civilian casualties, exasperating the situation further is going to lead to serious domestic problems for Pakistan's government. An ally should be treated as an ally, and thus far that ally has asked the United States not to send US soldiers across the border. There has to be another way to address the issue.

If anti-Chinese terrorists resided in Oregon, and China launched aerial raids on Portland to address the issue, thus killing civilians, 2 Oregonian militias would be formed the next day. One would protect the state from further Chinese aggression, and the other would march against the state government in Salem for not stopping the raids in the first place.

[Ehsan]

Billbo first answer to your question is Pakistan is a very strategic country in the world its like gateway to whole of Asia , China, Russia , India second , why does US Blame pakistan for everything. second the taleban in Pakistan are fighting Pakistani Soldiers not American ones and it is said that these taleban are being funded by cia and indian agents and then the us drones operated by cia ? whats that all about start killing tribals who dont support talebans and they also start killing Pakistani soldiers what does that mean.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sto...005961,00.html
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/...entry_id=27292
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/pakistan-protests-us-air-strike/story.aspx?guid={DDF3C6A1-D0FA-4728-B030-E2ABC2F38A35}&print=true&dist=printMidSection

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[Ehsan]

You are a piece of work.
you are blaming India - I don't want to talk to a known terroriest.

You are a terroriest and hope FBI and CIA will keep an eye on you.

You can rore like a pig, I am going to add you to my ignore list.

Shameless Terroriest with a mouth like an ***.

hahha i should be adding you to ignore list , i bet you are McPain supporter anyways lets see ! *cough* *cough*

[zehrila]

I think its the other way around. Pakistan has never been a friend to the US. This relationship has not resulted in destabilizing terrorist networks that reside in your country. Pakistan doesn't allow US ground troops to conduct operations that would eliminate much of its terrorist problem.

Pakistan has only itself to blame for the current condition its in.

Well, that is what i was referring to above, your desire for more never ends, you are not realizing you are destroying us. Being ally of USA has given nothing to PK but generated several issues, you made our people kill our people. Its been 10 years and still you guys are not satisfied, american army has killed thousands and thousands of innocents in this past 10 years, destabilized Pakistan, infested crime and so many internal problems. Its american armys failure to capture the culprits. BTW US troops are always invading the boundaries and killing innocent villagers.

Can I ask some very serious questions please.

What the hell do people think Pakistan has that America wants?

Now if the Taliban and Al Qaida are 'holing up' in Pakistan and Pakistan does not act or more to the point effectively act against them then how could Pakistan be classed as 'allies of the US'?

As for the bomb which killed the leaders of some tribes that had signed up to fight the Taliban and/or Al Qaida can you please show evidence of who planted this bomb, and I do not mean some rumour. It seems far more likely to me that the bomb would have been planted by the Taliban/Al Qaida or their sympathizers.

Yes, what the hell it is ? leave us alone please let us live our lives.

[Johnn]

You are a piece of work.
you are blaming India - I don't want to talk to a known terroriest.

You are a terroriest and hope FBI and CIA will keep an eye on you.

You can rore like a pig, I am going to add you to my ignore list.

Shameless Terroriest with a mouth like an ***.

We do not tolerate these types of posts here.

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[Ehsan]

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Please read the rules.

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Thankyou Johnn ! that was a quick one

[Bill Roy]

Well done Johnn.

[Gerry]

We do not tolerate these types of posts here.

Please read the rules.

Infractions/Points have been given - Ban is in effect.

Perhaps another reason to not post political/controversial threads in the New Posts.

Keep it totally a "must find" sub-forum if most members think they need to be kept.

Simply the posting of certain titles when scrolling through new threads is an invitation to heat. And obviously I am no exception.

[Ehsan]

Perhaps another reason to not post political/controversial threads in the New Posts.

Keep it totally a "must find" sub-forum if most members think they need to be kept.

Simply the posting of certain titles when scrolling through new threads is an invitation to heat. And obviously I am no exception.

hehhehhe gerry everybody wants a piece of the action