'It's Over' for U.S. Economy, Yes or No?

[Mike Cruz]

Your obviously the product of a failed public school system.

Yep a Republican freeded Amercans.

The Democrats want to make you a slave.
The Democrats want the best Health Care for Government Employees.
You get to stand in line and take orders from the Democrat Slave Masters.

The man with the gold makes the rules!
The only ones making / taking big money...the government.

Talk about failed public school system... I am going to have to agree.. "Freeded Amercans" aye?

Yeah, Democrat idiots like Doc and Zurc seem to forget it was their party that fought against abolishing slavery and stood for segregation, And was their party, Southern Democrats who organized themselves into vigilante groups like the Ku Klux Klan, And here they are today trying to label Republicans as Racist's, the very party that fought against slavery and racism.

They must be so proud.

While this may be true, who runs the Ku Klux Klan today?

Did you miss something?, For starters; 2 WARS

Clinton would not of had the surplus if he did his job and protected our National Security, USS Cole, Kobalt Towers, remember? You see Zurc, Fighting terrorism is not Free, it cost's money.

Aside from that, the surplus was the result of a Republican led Congress and a President who had the smarts to sign REPUBLICAN legislation.

LOL... So spending money is okay when a Republican president does it for his and his buddies benefit, but if a Democratic President is doing it to try and rebuild our country and our government, it's wrong. We should all hope he fails just so the Republican party could look better. That makes a lot of sense.

And we all know Cheney was provided with this information from Bill Clinton, but he chose to ignore because he got exactly what he wanted.

Even though I nor my family ever liked Bush, I never ONCE, in my life remember myself or any of my family saying that we wish he would fail. We could only sit there and hope that he would do the right thing. Oh and sure, he did the right thing, he sent our soldiers to die for a meaningless war, so good ol' Christian Bush, Cheney and friends could stack their back accounts. NOTHING good came out of Iraq, NOTHING.

Six CLOSE friends went to the Army / Navy / Marines, 4 died and one came back deaf, the other was shot by friendly fire in the back of his right calf and almost lost his leg ~ none of which were in favor of this war going in or coming out if they made it out. But they did what their government told them to do. Unlike the midget scumbag who sent them in there...

[Gerry]

Wow, this is the first time I have ever heard, read, wiped my eyes, cleaned my glasses, re-read that...

Southern Democrats who organized themselves into vigilante groups like the Ku Klux Klan

not only did that send me out of my seat and landed on the floor, when I got back up I also read:

it was their party that fought against abolishing slavery

Clinton would not of had the surplus if he did his job and protected our National Security, USS Cole, Kobalt Towers, remember?

the surplus was the result of a Republican led Congress and a President who had the smarts to sign REPUBLICAN legislation.

Indeed, not only has raider rewritten US Military History and one-upped the War College, she has now found evidence that it was southern democrats who started the KKK and it was southern democrats who opposed freeing the slave.

Well, shut my mouth.

She has now re-written American History, the History of Slavery, and Segregation.


Can you see how near sighted she is? Because I relocated to NC, I am automatically a party to and guilty of crimes.

How someone from PI can come over here and solve 200 year old mysteries is simply astounding!



Tell us Raider, was there only one shooter or was there a second shooter on the knoll?

And seeing that you are living in California, you would be guilty of association of certain crimes or, minimally, have knowledge and proof of certain incidents as well,

So, then, you would know first hand and have proof regarding OJ Simpson's involvement in the Did He Do It? mystery?

Did Patty Hearst willingly participate in the bank robberies?

Was Micheal Jackson guilty of improper conduct with minors?

[Raider]

Wow, this is the first time I have ever heard, read, wiped my eyes, cleaned my glasses, re-read that...

Southern Democrats who organized themselves into vigilante groups like the Ku Klux Klan

not only did that send me out of my seat and landed on the floor, when I got back up I also read:

it was their party that fought against abolishing slavery

Clinton would not of had the surplus if he did his job and protected our National Security, USS Cole, Kobalt Towers, remember?

the surplus was the result of a Republican led Congress and a President who had the smarts to sign REPUBLICAN legislation.

Indeed, not only has raider rewritten US Military History and one-upped the War College, she has now found evidence that it was southern democrats who started the KKK and it was southern democrats who opposed freeing the slave.

Well, shut my mouth.

She has now re-written American History, the History of Slavery, and Segregation.

I found new evidence? NO Doc, this is all public knowledge...... Seems you need a history lesson about your OWN parties record on Race;

Whereas, The Republican Party was formed in May, 1854, to address the issue of slavery, [i] following several racially-motivated votes in the Democratically-controlled House and Senate that not only expanded slavery but also removed specific constitution rights from African Americans (such as the right of habeas corpus and trial by jury); [ii] and

Whereas, The Republican Party took its name from its desire to return to the founding principles of the Republic, explaining in its first platform (1856) that “with our Republican fathers, we hold it to be a self-evident truth, that all men are endowed with the inalienable right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, and that the primary object and ulterior design of our Federal Government were to secure these rights to all persons”; [iii] and

Whereas, The Republican Party addressed racism as a moral issue in its first platform in 1856; [iv] and

Whereas, Of the 9 planks in the first platform, half addressed racial issues; [v] and

Whereas, When citizens in 1861 first gave Republicans control of both Congress and the Presidency, Republicans promptly delivered on their platform pledges, passing a number of civil rights laws [vi] as well as the 13th Amendment abolishing slavery [vii] (118 of 118 Republicans in Congress voted for that Amendment, but only 19 of 82 Democrats in Congress – or 23 percent – voted to end slavery [viii]); and

Whereas, Republicans single-handedly passed the 14th and the 15th Amendments to the Constitution to guarantee the rights of citizenship and voting for all African Americans, not one Democrat in Congress voted for either of those two constitutional amendments on racial civil rights [ix]; and

Whereas, In its first 14 years of controlling Congress, Republicans passed 23 civil rights laws [x] – each over the strident and almost unanimous opposition of Democrats (for example, only 13 percent of Democrats voted for the 1872 Education Bill that provided education for African Americans, [xi] and no Democrat voted for either the 1875 Klan bill to punish Klan violence [xii] or the 1875 Civil Rights Bill banning segregation and racial discrimination [xiii]); and

Whereas, Following Democrats regaining control of the U. S. House in 1876, no civil rights bills were passed for the next 89 years [xiv]; and

Whereas, When Democrats in 1893 regained control of the House, Senate, and Presidency, they repealed the federal civil rights laws – including the Klan law and the voting rights protection laws [xv]; and

Whereas, Every Jim Crow racial segregation law was passed by a Democrat state legislature [xvi]; and

Whereas, Republican platforms consistently called for an end to Democrat-imposed Jim Crow laws and poll taxes but Democrat platforms never did [xvii]; and

Whereas, The Ku Klux Klan – a major fomenter of racism and racial violence – was started by Democrats in 1866 [xviii]; and

Whereas, The Klan became an active, organized, and visible constituency within the Democrat Party, [xix] with many Democrat office holders being Klan members [xx]; and

Whereas, The Klan was an instigator of many lynchings, and Republican platforms continually called for federal anti-lynching laws to protect racial minorities but Democrat platforms never did [xxi]; and

Whereas, Republicans frequently led efforts to pass anti-lynching laws in Congress [xxii] but those laws were consistently defeated by Democrats, with 3,445 African Americans being lynched in the period from 1882 to 1964, [xxiii] and Congress never having passed an anti-lynching law [xxiv]; and

Whereas, When the Supreme Court issued its Brown v. Board of Education ruling against segregation, 100 Democrat congressmen (19 U. S. Senators and 81 Representatives) issued a public denunciation of that ruling, [xxv] declaring that desegregation was “certain to destroy the system of public education” and that there would be what they called an “explosive and dangerous condition created by this decision”; [xxvi] and

Whereas, Democrat governors strongly resisted the Brown v. Board of Education ruling, even calling out the National Guard and the Texas Rangers to prevent African Americans from integrating public schools; [xxvii] and

Whereas, The famous 1964 Civil Rights Bill and the 1965 Civil Rights Bill (so often lauded by modern Democrats as being Democrat achievements) were formulated from the proposals of Republican President Dwight D. Eisenhower’s 1957 Civil Rights Commission [xxviii] – proposals stridently opposed by Democrats when introduced in Congress in 1957 [xxix]; and

Whereas, When those famous civil rights provisions were reintroduced under Democrat Presidents John F. Kennedy and Lyndon Baines Johnson, the Democrat-controlled Congress was unable to pass either bill on its own, even though it was in the Democrats’ power to do so (Democrats held 315 seats in Congress and needed only 269 votes to pass the measures through the House and the Senate; only 198 Democrats voted for those bills [xxx] – well short of the simple majority vote needed to pass those civil rights bills); and

Whereas, The 1964 Civil Rights Bill and the 1965 Civil Rights Bill were finally passed because of strong Republican support and, in fact, would not have passed without that strong Republican support (82 percent of Republicans voted for those measures, [xxxi] compared to only 63 percent of Democrats [xxxii]); and

Whereas, Republicans believe the principles enunciated in the Declaration of Independence that just as surely as the Creator gives life, He also created all men equal, and that therefore both abortion and racism are violations of the inalienable rights that He has bestowed on all mankind; and

Whereas, The Republican Party has a lengthy and proud record of standing for moral issues and for the inalienable rights of every individual; and

Whereas, Historically, many Republicans literally sacrificed their lives in the fight against racism; and

Whereas, The Republican Party has a long history of fighting racism from the inception of the Republican Party in 1854 to most recently supporting the 2005 renewal of 1965 Voting Rights Act; and


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[Gerry]

Brilliant! - Washington Post

Historically accurate! - Rush Limbaugh

Backed by recently uncovered evidence! - Glenn Beck

A much needed correction to American History books - George W. Bush

Shameful truth to American History of the 19th and 20th history... New York Times

A much needed correction to American, uh...wait. Didn't I already say this? - George W. Bush

[Mike Cruz]

Epic copying / pasting there.

i love people who think they are smart because they can half use google...

http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=knowledge%3...ery%3B+freedom

[500,000]

zurc...
gees, rub it in on the front page.
I'am just a voter and not running for any political office.

[Mike Cruz]

zurc...
gees, rub it in on the front page.
I'am just a voter and not running for any political office.

That's the scary part.

[Raider]

LOL... So spending money is okay when a Republican president does it for his and his buddies benefit,

You sound just like a drone for the anti-war left, eating up everything that's spoon feed to you....... Do you really believe this was the reason for invading Iraq? So Bush and his Buddies would benefit? You really like to pull these assumptions out of your ass don't you?, but is there ever a time you can back it up with actual facts?

And we all know Cheney was provided with this information from Bill Clinton, but he chose to ignore because he got exactly what he wanted.

What information is that???

Even though I nor my family ever liked Bush, I never ONCE, in my life remember myself or any of my family saying that we wish he would fail.

Jee, I haven't heard anyone say that about a President either, and that includes Obama.....Yeah, I heard plenty of leftist jackasses take something like this out of context, but never heard anyone actually say they wish Obama would fail... If I'm wrong, please post a link.

We could only sit there and hope that he would do the right thing. Oh and sure, he did the right thing, he sent our soldiers to die for a meaningless war, so good ol' Christian Bush, Cheney and friends could stack their back accounts. NOTHING good came out of Iraq, NOTHING.

NOTHING huh? How about taking down a brutal regime? Removing a Tyrant, Bringing Democracy and Freedom to an oppressed nation and stabilizing the mid east?...You call all this NOTHING? You got to be the most ignorant human being on this planet if you believe NOTHING good has come out of Iraq.

Six CLOSE friends went to the Army / Navy / Marines, 4 died and one came back deaf, the other was shot by friendly fire in the back of his right calf and almost lost his leg ~ none of which were in favor of this war going in or coming out if they made it out. But they did what their government told them to do. Unlike the midget scumbag who sent them in there...

Very sad to hear about your friends, unfortunately wounds and causalities are a reality of war, And your friends knew the risk before they joined. So what point are you trying to make here?, That your friends died for a war that YOU deem was meaningless, is that your point?

What about the Vietnam war and the 58,159 US troops that died for a war that was lost?... Where is your concern and compassion for these men and their families?

You say nothing "Good" came out of Iraq, What "Good" came out of Vietnam? certainly NOT the 303,635 wounded men, some of which came back with no limbs, and many never came back at all, 1724 are still missing.

And what about Democrat JFK's failed Bay of Pigs invasion? The one where your IDOL Che Guevara fought against? Or what about the thousands of people Che Guevara executed without a trial? including young boys and Women?.. Where is your compassion for them? or do you have any?

For some reason, I doubt very much you have compassion for any of these people, Who for your information; DIED at the hands of Democrat commanders.

[DomainsInc]

NOTHING huh? How about taking down a brutal regime? Removing a Tyrant, Bringing Democracy and Freedom to an oppressed nation and stabilizing the mid east?...You call all this NOTHING? You got to be the most ignorant human being on this planet if you believe NOTHING good has come out of Iraq.

Besides getting rid of Saddam himself, nothing good has come of it. If left to their own, they would elect someone much like Saddam, only with much more harsh religious views. Its just their nature, its all they know. You can't flip a country on its end and expect them to become a democracy because you want them to. Lets see.. 3.2 million refugees....less electricity than they ever had with saddam...1.7 million Iraqi's dead...museums destroyed..everyone who could leave did, leaving mostly poverty stricken families..crime is way up, especially rape and murder...cluster bombs all over the place and depleated uranium causing cancer for many decades to come. Yep, what a victory.

Everyone knows Vietnam was a stupid mistake made by those who feared communism and (gasp) socialism so much they decided it was worth hundreds of thousands of American's dying to fight it in another country. We all know had JFK not been assassinated, the war would of been ended much, much sooner. Regardless who was at fault, why is a very similar mistake being made again? Once again we're fighting IDEAS/thoughts/religions. You don't win there, no one ever does.

[Bill Roy]

If only members would spend one-tenth of their effort apraising domains on this forum as they do arguing (pointlessly) about politics just think we would all be better off!

A point to the wise, Raider is correct about the Southern Democrats, the fact that she now tries to invoke the idea that present day Democrats and Republicans hold the same views as generations ago is though to say the least a little ludicrous.

Now how about talking about domains, domaining business, the internet, marketing, advertising strategies, indeed anything that might earn some money?

[tetrapak]

NOTHING huh? How about taking down a brutal regime? Removing a Tyrant, Bringing Democracy and Freedom to an oppressed nation and stabilizing the mid east?...You call all this NOTHING? You got to be the most ignorant human being on this planet if you believe NOTHING good has come out of Iraq.

This is HIGHLY OFFENSIVE. Democracy and freedom? I'm sorry to say, but you have no f*****g idea what you are talking about. You just proved you know nothing about sunnis and shiites, nor the Middle-East.. I would advice you a little trip to Middle-East, and then start talking. I've been visiting ME since 1990 on a regular base. You should also watch Manderlay by Lars von Trier, but I guess intellectual movies are not your cup of tea.

Tell me, why is the US not attacking NK? Because those little Koreans look nothing like the image of a very dangerous terrorist? Or that there is no oil? Poor you brainwashed girl.

[Gerry]

As mentioned earlier, as proved by the link she posted, she has had help from the GOP in rewriting history.

Gen Nathan Bedford Forrest and his scalawag followers that became known as the KKK had NO party affiliation.

The fact that they were confederate soldiers does not mean they were registered democrats.

They were opposed to military law imposed on the south and the freed negro slaves.

Amazingly, it perplexes me how you can keep pulling these little back of tricks out of your play book to now, not only rewrite history, but to now claim that invading Iraq and setting the Iraqis "free" was ALL GOOD.

I was right...your stupidity and spin on things has no bounds.

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I guess intellectual movies are not your cup of tea.
Poor you brainwashed girl.

If it is not printed by, produced by, written by, or have the GOP stamp of "FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE", then you are wasting your time on this one.

[Mike Cruz]

You sound just like a drone for the anti-war left, eating up everything that's spoon feed to you....... Do you really believe this was the reason for invading Iraq? So Bush and his Buddies would benefit? You really like to pull these assumptions out of your ass don't you?, but is there ever a time you can back it up with actual facts?

Sad part about this comment is you are being serious. Talk about being spoon fed... You are copying and pasting information from GOP or Extreme Right wing websites.

What information is that???

Threats of terrorist acts against the United States, but you know this, just wish not acknowledge it as you are clearly brainwashed and in denial.

Jee, I haven't heard anyone say that about a President either, and that includes Obama.....Yeah, I heard plenty of leftist jackasses take something like this out of context, but never heard anyone actually say they wish Obama would fail... If I'm wrong, please post a link.

Queen of angle shooting. Rush Limbaugh, your 2nd tier God, (GWB is first obv), has said this on several occasions. You want a link? Feel free to go to youtube and view the video he proudly represents.

NOTHING huh? How about taking down a brutal regime? Removing a Tyrant, Bringing Democracy and Freedom to an oppressed nation and stabilizing the mid east?...You call all this NOTHING? You got to be the most ignorant human being on this planet if you believe NOTHING good has come out of Iraq.

Lol, you are joking right? GWB sent our troops over there with MISLEADING information, LIES, which not only did we lose many soldiers, but innocent civilian lives were lost, oh and YES they were Iraqi's but you probably don't care about them, right? You are a empty, ignorant soul.

Very sad to hear about your friends, unfortunately wounds and causalities are a reality of war, And your friends knew the risk before they joined. So what point are you trying to make here?, That your friends died for a war that YOU deem was meaningless, is that your point?

A war that anyone with a conscious and common sense deemed meaningless. Anyone who wasn't brainwashed or had their head shoved so far up their ass knew what this war really was about. Afghanistan had to be done, but of course was abandoned out of greed and lies to get to the country good ol' Dubya really wanted, causing more casualties and civilian deaths. Sure they signed up knowing the risks, but I have a feeling they thought if there President was going to send them to war and possibly die doing there duty to America, it was going to be for something that had ground, something we can look back from in 20, 30, 50, 100 years and be proud of.. Not another Vietnam.

What about the Vietnam war and the 58,159 US troops that died for a war that was lost?... Where is your concern and compassion for these men and their families?

I have plenty of compassion for the men that fought in Vietnam and especially their families. I think Vietnam was another meaningless war with no structural plan, it was almost a suicide mission. If you are going to keep assuming you know where I stand with previous and current wars, you might want to tread lightly, you are only making yourself look like an ass.

You say nothing "Good" came out of Iraq, What "Good" came out of Vietnam? certainly NOT the 303,635 wounded men, some of which came back with no limbs, and many never came back at all, 1724 are still missing.

Again, stop assuming I agreed with Vietnam. I don't, again, a meaningless war that sent soldiers to their grave and families into mourning.

And what about Democrat JFK's failed Bay of Pigs invasion? The one where your IDOL Che Guevara fought against? Or what about the thousands of people Che Guevara executed without a trial? including young boys and Women?.. Where is your compassion for them? or do you have any?

Oh, Che Guevara again, LOL. Desperate much? How about the hundreds of people Bush and Cheney have had Tortured with no good cause? How about the thousands of innocent civilians killed in Afghanistan and Iraq? Oh, GWB/DC didn't do it with their own hands so it's okay.

For some reason, I doubt very much you have compassion for any of these people, Who for your information; DIED at the hands of Democrat commanders.

Again, assuming and only making a ass out of yourself. And I find it quite humorous that you make this comment when you have repeatedly shown a lack of any compassion for anything outside of America, probably even your own people. It's okay to kill a bunch of innocent people in the Middle East, you have no problem with that, but then you make this comment? You have to be ****ing joking. You really are retarded :/

[Gerry]

I have plenty of compassion for the men that fought in Vietnam and especially their families.

Unfortunately, since my young adult days and to this day, I think I have lost a friend or someone I know in every single military action since vietnam, with the exception of perhaps Grenada and Panama - those non-militaristic type actions.

What's bad is I remember their names and their faces and what happened to them. I thought that after I got out of the military, my days of concern or caring about my mates would end.

But that would not happen nor last for long. Three days after coming home, a hometown bud committed suicide. He had been an aerial gunner, the ones that hang out of helicopters, and I can not imagine the horrors he had seen and perhaps even participated in inside Vietnam.

I started college in the late 70's. Two of my Frat brothers decided to join the marines because they could not afford college. They joined under the buddy system where they could be in the same outfit from the very start. Sadly, the two of them also died as part of the 200+ of the marines killed in Beirut Lebanon attack on the marine barracks.

Both my older brothers were in Nam. One was loadmaster on a C5A Galaxy. The other in security.

The one that eventually went on to be a pilot (and now a NASA Shuttle inspector) never was shot down. But a malfunction in the rear door caused their plane to crash shortly after takeoff from Saigon killing 155 of the 328 on board including 11 crewmembers.

So Raider, how about you quitting to compare wars to presidents and death toll numbers like some ****ing badge of honor?

You absolutely disgust me with your legitimizing the death of every soldier and civilian.

I have no idea what PTSD you suffer from but you seriously need some medical help.

[Raider]

This is HIGHLY OFFENSIVE. Democracy and freedom? I'm sorry to say, but you have no f*****g idea what you are talking about. You just proved you know nothing about sunnis and shiites, nor the Middle-East..

A properly elected Government in Iraq is not part of a Democracy? Maybe it's YOU who doesn't KNOW what the f**K he's talking about?. Get an education and learn what the word means you blistering idiot.

A point to the wise, Raider is correct about the Southern Democrats, the fact that she now tries to invoke the idea that present day Democrats and Republicans hold the same views as generations ago is though to say the least a little ludicrous.

Again, you fail to understand the point, I never invoked such a thing, It's people like Doc who can find NO wrong with their own party, No matter how far back in history one goes, I have yet to read anything from him and others that denounces the history of their own party. And they trash Republicans and try to label them racists while ignoring the long track record of their own party who opposed rights for blacks. The party who fought against abolishing slavery.

Everyone knows Vietnam was a stupid mistake made by those who feared communism and (gasp) socialism so much they decided it was worth hundreds of thousands of American's dying to fight it in another country.

Correction, NOT everyone, Doc and Zurc think Vietnam was a "Justified War" and JFK and LBJ are American heroes who left behind a legacy we should all be proud of;

58,159 dead
1,724 missing
303,635 wounded

We all know had JFK not been assassinated, the war would of been ended much, much sooner. Regardless who was at fault, why is a very similar mistake being made again?

How does that work? The declaration of war did not happen before Kennedy was assassinated, So what your saying is; JFK would of STARTED the War and then ENDED the War early? Interesting, And what powers did JFK possess for ending Wars early? It certainly wasn't his experience because he had NONE.

And NO, We DON'T "All know"... What we DO KNOW is; JFK escalated American involvement in Vietnam more than ANY OTHER PRESIDENT BEFORE HIM, It was HE who believed communism would expand if we did nothing. But look at what preceded Vietnam, It was JFK who launched the Bay of Pigs invasion, and he did it in less than 3 months after he was elected. Following that was his disastrous meeting with Khrushchev in Vienna, which led to the Cuban Missile Crisis, It's amazing the United States wasn't wiped off the face of the earth because of what this incompetent IDIOT did.

The Cuban Missile Crisis is probably the only thing JFK averted in the 2 years he was President, A CRISIS he and he alone brought upon himself.

And to our communist sympathizer; Zurc.net who regards Che Guevara as a "Hero of the Revolution" Che, the very Man who wanted the Soviets to launch the missiles against the United States, Onto Zurc's future home state of Florida.

You guys should start your own band, The "Band of idiots"


A wise man writes down what he thinks, a stupid man forgets what he thinks, a complete idiot punishes himself for what he thinks. ~ Jason Zebehazy

[jasdon11]

NOTHING huh? How about taking down a brutal regime? Removing a Tyrant, Bringing Democracy and Freedom to an oppressed nation and stabilizing the mid east?...You call all this NOTHING? You got to be the most ignorant human being on this planet if you believe NOTHING good has come out of Iraq.

Brutal regime? When are we invading Zimbabwe, or Samalia, or North Korea, or a dozen other places? Maybe when they strike oil eh?

The figures for Iraqi deaths range from 100k to over 1 million depending on source. It's reasonable to expect that major injuries to survivors is a much higher figure.

It's impossible to say how many would've been killed during the same time by the previous regime, but it's a fair bet to say much fewer.

Awful news stories coming out now about birth defects being attributed to US weaponry - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/8548707.stm

Democracy and freedom? How free would you feel if there were say, Chinese soldiers patrolling your street - this is several years since Hussein was captured.

Stabilising the Middle East? Oh yeah...it's really stable, lmao.

I agree that Saddam Hussein was a maniac who needed to be wiped out, and could've been easily and without fuss at the drop of a hat. But the swathe of destruction and misery that has been caused is far too high a price to pay. More dead, more injured, innocent babies born with no chance of having a normal life, hundreds of thousands of orphans. There is no balance. It's akin to knocking down a house to catch a rat living under it - you would be crazy to do it. But not so crazy to knock down a house if there is an oil field underneath it.

If those are the things that you consider to be the good that's come out of the Iraq war - then your wrong. The world would be a better place if this war had never begun.

[tetrapak]

A properly elected Government in Iraq is not part of a Democracy? Maybe it's YOU who doesn't KNOW what the f**K he's talking about?. Get an education and learn what the word means you blistering idiot.

I love you too. Raider if you call that a free democratic & stable country, then move there. I can imagine your stupid face realizing what kind of dumbness you were writing on forums while having absolutely no idea about the sad reality. You just couldn't be more ignorant than this.

[DomainsInc]

How does that work? The declaration of war did not happen before Kennedy was assassinated, So what your saying is; JFK would of STARTED the War and then ENDED the War early? Interesting, And what powers did JFK possess for ending Wars early? It certainly wasn't his experience because he had NONE.

And NO, We DON'T "All know"... What we DO KNOW is; JFK escalated American involvement in Vietnam more than ANY OTHER PRESIDENT BEFORE HIM, It was HE who believed communism would expand if we did nothing. But look at what preceded Vietnam, It was JFK who launched the Bay of Pigs invasion, and he did it in less than 3 months after he was elected. Following that was his disastrous meeting with Khrushchev in Vienna, which led to the Cuban Missile Crisis, It's amazing the United States wasn't wiped off the face of the earth because of what this incompetent IDIOT did.

The Cuban Missile Crisis is probably the only thing JFK averted in the 2 years he was President, A CRISIS he and he alone brought upon himself.

And to our communist sympathizer; Zurc.net who regards Che Guevara as a "Hero of the Revolution" Che, the very Man who wanted the Soviets to launch the missiles against the United States, Onto Zurc's future home state of Florida.

You guys should start your own band, The "Band of idiots"


A wise man writes down what he thinks, a stupid man forgets what he thinks, a complete idiot punishes himself for what he thinks. ~ Jason Zebehazy

There were over 10,000 troops already in Vietnam when JFK took office. The French were there fighting long before America had even shown up. Keep in mind Vietnam had been at war with itself since 1955. JFK committed more troops during his time in office but he had planned to completely pull out by 1965, he felt it was an unwinnable situation. Kennedy was assassinated, LBJ took over and went the opposite route committing an obscene number of troops and, like you said 58,000 dead. However that number includes both LBJ and Nixon's terms.

[Gerry]

Correction, NOT everyone, Doc and Zurc think Vietnam was a "Justified War" and JFK and LBJ are American heroes who left behind a legacy we should all be proud of;

58,159 dead
1,724 missing
303,635 wounded

You stupid kunt. How can I make it clearer to you.

I said it was justified to take some action as we were fired upon at gulf of Tonkin (which many claim now did not actually happen).

I did not say it was justifiable to carry the shit out for nearly 20 years.

Already you are saying the second invasion of Iraq is justifiable seven years in.

You are one sick twisted ****in *****.

Doc this, Doc that...you are one demented obsessed sicko psycho *****.

[Mike Cruz]

Correction, NOT everyone, Doc and Zurc think Vietnam was a "Justified War" and JFK and LBJ are American heroes who left behind a legacy we should all be proud of;

58,159 dead
1,724 missing
303,635 wounded

And to our communist sympathizer; Zurc.net who regards Che Guevara as a "Hero of the Revolution" Che, the very Man who wanted the Soviets to launch the missiles against the United States, Onto Zurc's future home state of Florida.

Lol, it has been quite clear how incredibly arrogant, ignorant and pathetic you are, but to continue to lie to spread your hate and misery is just out right hilarious. It is much more clear how desperate you are to think you are right and will do anything in your power to do so, but once again since you obviously didn't read my post before you...

I THINK VIETNAM WAS A MEANINGLESS WAR AND A MISTAKE.

Also, please direct me to any where on the internet as to where I stated Che Guevara was a "Hero to the revolution". Lol, you can't because you make up shit as you go.

You are a desperate, pathological, RETARD.