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He has the nerve to call himself a Christian, adds "I've made mistakes myself. I believe fervently in 2nd chances...BUT Michael Vick killed dogs." Man oh man!! That thread about Fox News viewers being the most uninformed couldn't have been more dead on. Now they are at risk of being called the most stupid if they believe that asshole
In another news, they're (Fox) making their way into Canada. Avaaz tried its best to stop them but they failed.
You know who I think is the most stupid? The guy who started a thread claiming we need more Michael Moores in this world...Originally Posted by Infoproliferati
Anyone who respects the opinions of that left wing asshole is deserving of NO respect here.
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I love dogs and I hate the thought of what Michael Vick did. However he committed the crime but he did the time.
I say we just watch him carefully and he is lucky he got a second chance, the dog's didn't.
-=DCG=-
Raider, if you hadn't made it political, I might have had a shred of respect for you. Not that you'd care anyway. Welcome aboard stupid.
This is simply not true, and that's why animal rights people are so against him.
The fact is he did ZERO time for animal cruelty and paid ZERO fines. These charges were dropped in the plea bargain, which NEVER should have been allowed because the case against him was solid and extraordinary.
Vick only did time and paid fines on GAMBLING charges and the IRS issues that resulted. These are the same charges he would have faced if he were running card games.
Further, Vick has admitted more torture and abuse than was originally known when his sweetheart deal was made. In a recent documentary, he showed where he tied dogs onto tree trunks so they would be held in place while he and his friends shot them. Some died immediately, some suffered for days before death because he wouldn't bother untying them until they were no longer moving.
Then there are the acid torture pools that he dogs would literally tear their paws off trying to get out as the acid ate them alive, but we'll leave it at the torture was extraordinarily cruel.
Of the dogs that survived, most are still undergoing surgeries and treatment for wounds so severe they STILL are not eligible for adoption, and the cost and labor of the medical care has been dumped onto volunteers. There was a recent story done on one of the rescued dogs near here, but it is so terrified of people that or cowers at the sight of people he doesn't know. It takes a very severe and traumatic beating to put that much fear into a dog.
Anyone who cheers for Vick or supports him in any way is a complete and utter moron. Please STOP posting and telling people he "did the time", because he did no time at all for the cruelty charges.
I guess we can put all the animal abusers on death row. Might have to double up the seating on the electric chair.
Gotta go, Gotta go!
Classic Robin Harris. Start at about mark 1:50
"Just a lot of embarrassment, embarrassed to be part of group of domainers who would do this to their fellow man.",
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I'm not quite as forgiving Adam.... Here's what I know about Michael Vick from what I've read; He starved dogs, Kept dogs in cages, Pit them against one another in Dog fighting matches, He Drowned dogs, Tortured dogs, Starved dogs and watered one of them down with water and electrocuted the poor animal.
It almost sounds like what the Nazis dd to the Jews in WWII...... And yet the President of the United States, the NFL and the bleeding hearts all want to give him a FREE pass, Or a second chance as they call it...... Not me, it reaches a point where some people are just not worthy of redemption and Michael Vick is one of those people... I wouldn't forgive this bastard for what he did no more than I would forgive a serial killer.
And I think it was disgusting what the NFL did by allowing him back into game, I really have to question their motives. Did they allow him back because he's Black or because he was a good quarterback or both?... It's was obviously a politically motivated decision.
But here's the hypocrisy;, When Rush Limbaugh wanted to become part owner of the St. Louis Rams, the NFL said NO... They didn't give him a second chance for the McNabb comment did they?, This was a comment the majority of Americans beleive was NOT racist at all.. So we BAN the White Conservative Talk Show host from investing in a Sport that he truly loves while welcoming with open arms the guy who tortured dogs like the Naziis tortured human beings.
I don't think it get's any more pathetic than that.
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That's another one.... Vick is quite a guy isn't he?
What does a NFL, NBA or any other sports pro have to do to be banished? I don't think there is anything, so long as their having a great season.
Last edited by Raider; 12-30-2010 at 10:32 AM.
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No one is saying what Vick did was right by any measure. But seriously, why are some people deserving of a 2nd chance and others aren't? Is there any sin or mistake too great as to not be deserving of a 2nd chance? Sarah Palin shoots down a moose for sport and for some reason she isn't placed in the same category? Why? Because a moose isn't a canine?
Everyone deserves a 2nd chance as long as they are willing to change their ways. Vick has done his part to rehabilitate himself and continues to speak out against animal cruelty and maltreatment. It's incredible the amount of hate thrown at this guy. There is a part in the new testament where a woman commits adultery and she is brought in front of Jesus. She is about to be stoned but Jesus implored anyone who hadn't sinned to cast the first stone at her. The persecutors all walked away.
So Raider if you firmly believe in your heart that Vick is beyond redemption, then for the sake of love, thank goodness you aren't the President, the NFL and all those who want to give him a 2nd chance. Mind you, they aren't giving him a FREE pass. They are giving him another chance. He had better be wise enough not to blow it.
If you we use your argument that everyone is deserving of a second chance, then by your logic we should of given every Nazi convicted at the Nuremburg trials a second chance instead of executing them, no?
Heck, why don't we just release all the murderers in our prisons who never got a second chance?... I'll bet if they were pro quarterbacks or celebrities you admire, you'd be all for that wouldn't you?
It's almost like when the bleeding hearts came to the defense of OJ Simpson, a guy who beat the crap out of his wife for many years and then murdered her and a friend who came to her defense, His money and celebrity status gave him a second chance and look what happened?.
What you fail to realize is people like OJ and Michael Vick are heartless human beings, When you look at the acts they committed it's quite easy to come to that conclusion... You cant change people like that, no more than you can change a pedophile or a serial killer.
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Logic and Logical people can distinguish the difference between crimes against humanity and crimes against animals. Logic and Logical people have the capacity to understand the attempted eradication and extermination of a population vs the terrible acts of dog fighting. Logic and Logical people know the differences in magnitude the crimes committed by Nazi's and the crimes committed by Michael Vick. Logic and Logical people would not even attempt to make a comparison of the extermination of 6 million people of the Jewish faith with animal cruelty.
Of course, we are discussing Logic and Logical people - both of which Precious has all too often failed to exhibit.
"Just a lot of embarrassment, embarrassed to be part of group of domainers who would do this to their fellow man.",
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Your inability to comprehend simple sentences is amazing, Either your just plain stupid or you intentionally overlooked what I was responding to.... I even highlighted it in BOLD so a dunce like you wouldn't overlook it.
Once again; In Infoproliferati's own words;
Everyone deserves a 2nd chance as long as they are willing to change their ways.
"Everyone" as in any one person who takes the life of another?
Logic and Logical people would understand I was comparing the actual acts Michael Vick committed to the acts committed by the Nazi's... Most of us got that, but not you.
I think we can mark this one up as just another desperate and pathetic attempt to take what I posted completely out context... What a miserable human being you must be.
When Michael Vick is standing at the gates of hell for what he did, (and he will), I hope your there to open the gates for him.
Last edited by Raider; 12-30-2010 at 02:32 PM.
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I stand corrected, i didn't know all these facts.
thanks,
-=DCG=-
Don't you think people should atone for their sins before given that 2nd chance?
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Good article from a rescue still trying to save Vick's dogs:
"When the President Calls About the Vick Dogs"
http://blogs.bestfriends.org/index.p...the-vick-dogs/
Absolutely. Isn't that what Vick has been trying to do since he got out? I fail to see how expulsion from the NFL has anything to do with atonement. You aren't by any chance projecting a particular standard for atonement as a mortal are you? Atonement has to do with the transformation of character. If he ain't killing dogs no more, isn't that the starting process of atonement?
Agree... I came across a article a couple days ago that touched on many of the same points, particularly the point where if Michael Vick was having a bad season, he wouldn't be getting nearly as much media attention as he is now, and Obama certainly would NOT of made that call to Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie.
What really irritates me is the double standard of it all... If this were an average Joe Shmo who did this and it garnered media attention, would the OP be here talking about giving him a 2nd chance? I would bank my domain portfolio that he would NOT.
What it all boils down to is, Michael Vick is a Football star and because he's a Football star who's idolized by so many, "We now proclaim him worthy of a 2nd chance" So if your famous or born with a silver spoon in your mouth, well give you another chance because we know you, we know your family, watched your movies, watched you play ball and you appear to be a nice guy on TV... And to those abusers who committed similar crimes who we really dont' know, we think you should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, Why you ask? Because you broke the law stupid!.
Leave it to our liberal friends to throw equal justice out the window just so they can protect the ones they admire.
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Prior to this past Tuesday, he's been killing the other teams. Manslaughter!
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I asked you what he did to atone for his sins BEFORE being given that second chance and you haven't answered.... "aint killing dogs" is not an answer.
Theirs many things he could of done and can do to atone for his sins, We can start with the Dogs themselves, what has he done of his own free will to heal the wounds of the dogs he brutally tortured?... What has he done of his own free will for organizations who fight for the protection of animals? How much of that multi-million dollar salary has gone to the kennels who had to rehabilitate those poor animals?
Vick can spend his entire NFL career saying all the right things and atoning for his sins, but he will always be the same Michael Vick, A guy who remains capable of doing sick and despicable things to animals....
Only God knows what else this guy has done.
Please vote Republican in 2012, America can not sustain another 4 years
of Liberal policies that are fiscally and socially destroying the country..
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