Michelle Bachmann and the Government Teet

[Gerry]

I love all the hype around Bachmann and the message she sends out. More importantly, I love how the message and the messenger is so far from the truth behind her career.

She talks about government spending and taxation as being evil.

But consider where she has been and her rise to power.

Michelle Bachmann went to college on loans and grants - government backed loans and grants
Upon graduating from college with a law degree, she went to work for the IRS - a government paycheck
Twice during her short tenure with the IRS, she was out on maternity leave - and collecting government pay while out on leave
When she quit her job and started fostering children, she was getting stipends per month per child from the state - a government paycheck
She ran for Minnesota state senate and won - a government paycheck
Her husband (who is not a licensed psychologist) runs two pseudo Christian counseling centers - it receives state funds (nearly 50K) and accepts Medicare and Medicaid (nearly 137K) - a government paycheck
She and her husband claimed farm subsidies for a farm they did not even own. The farm belonged to her father-in-law but Michelle and her husband claimed income from the farm as well as received $260K for farm subsidies - a government paycheck.
She ran for the US House of Representatives and won - a government paycheck
She now qualifies for a guaranteed retirement - a government paycheck
She wants to be US President - a government paycheck


Her entire adult life from college to adulthood to motherhood to public office has been entirely funded by taxpayers and she has never known anything other than government paycheck.

Yes, those same taxes that we pay has supported her and her husband for their entire adult life and careers.

[eeedc]

I don't think Michelle Bachmann is anywhere near qualified to be President, but you or the blog you copied it from are overstating your case.

You could say the same thing about most politicians. If Ron Paul took government money when working as a doctor (unless his practice was limited to the rich he did), or if Newt's brief college teaching career was at a governement supported college (all exept one or two take government money of some sort), then you could say the same thing about Ron Paul and Newt.

Knocking someone for taking maternity leave is not going to win many friends among women or many men.

[Gerry]

I don't think Michelle Bachmann is anywhere near qualified to be President, but you or the blog you copied it from are overstating your case.

Stating fact is hardly overstating the case.

Facts don't change, history does not change. What has changed it the message she is sending because she is the Tea Party's darling and speaking to/for the tea party.

Many people wish they could change history. She has tried and her supporters have tried by down playing "the case" or not mentioning the case.

There are many other troubling issues behind some of these candidates.

But rather than overstate the case, it would be grand if people found out these matters for themselves. Believe me when I say there are many skeletons in her closet that I did not even mention. Again, factual and documented and a matter of public record.

Whether or not you like or agree with the points made, it does not change the facts leading up to those points.

So folks, let the games begin. Research the candidates on your own.


Plus, if you want to do an expose on Newt and Ron Paul, have at it.

[eeedc]

Her entire adult life from college to adulthood to motherhood to public office has been entirely funded by taxpayers and she has never known anything other than government paycheck.

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When you say "ENTIRELY funded by taxpayers," and "NEVER known anything other than government paycheck,"

you are overstating your case if she ever made $1 from their farm, family business or any other job.

I don't know enough about Rick Perry, but if his only non-state school, non-military work was a subsidized farm, you could say the same things (using MOST instead of ALL income) about Rick Perry.

[ilovedomains]

The case isnt overstated at all.

Michelle Bachmann and her husband are exactly the sort of useless welfare bums that are destroying America. Perfect example of people who dont need a dime ripping off the system for amounts poor people can only dream about.

[Gerry]

I don't know enough about Rick Perry,

Then make this the opportunity to learn about Rick Perry.

Don't listen to what he has to say right now.

Look up his record, what he has actually done, what he has actually has reported to be for and against.

And when you read that with open eyes and an open mind, you might be able to see Rick Perry and who he is and what he stands for.

Realize that anything said now is nothing but pure salesmanship and the selling of a product - Rick Perry.


And yes...any government job, subsidies, paycheck is ENTIRELY funded by taxpayers. If you want to exclude $1.00 earned at any other venture as a means of discrediting my statement or assessment, then you have really tried to go to the extreme to minimalize the validity of the facts behind the candidate.

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The case isnt overstated at all.

Perhaps she can also explain why she was once a registered Democrat.

[Raider]

Then make this the opportunity to learn about Rick Perry.

Don't listen to what he has to say right now.

Look up his record, what he has actually done, what he has actually has reported to be for and against.

And when you read that with open eyes and an open mind, you might be able to see Rick Perry and who he is and what he stands for.

Realize that anything said now is nothing but pure salesmanship and the selling of a product - Rick Perry.

This is what you did before you came out in support of Obama?

You looked at Obama's experience as a community organizer, His association with a terrorist, a convicted felon and a race-baiting Reverend, You looked at his record of never Governing a state or balancing a budget, never running a business, never holding a job in the private sector and you said to yourself; "This is who I want as my President"

I think it's safe to say that YOU, along with all the other blind and gullible Obama supporters, are the last people to be giving advice on how to size up a candidate.

[Gerry]

Two words...Sarah Palin.

Not a person in the world could have swayed me to vote for McCain after seeing that paraded around on the scene. That was scarier than anything Obama had ever been associated with.

[eeedc]

If you are for Obama, why aren't you hoping that one of the weaker Republicans such as Bachmann wins the Republican primary?

Obama must be praying for an economic recovery or to run against Bachmann.

[Gerry]

If you are for Obama, why aren't you hoping that one of the weaker Republicans such as Bachmann wins the Republican primary?

Obama must be praying for an economic recovery or to run against Bachmann.

Who says I am for Obama? Because I voted for him in 2008?

I am going to look at all the candidates.

But if someone like Bachmann wants to be the Tea Party Darling (she is) simply because she says what the Tea Party wants to hear (she does), it is going to be damn hard to convince me (and perhaps others) that she is so against government entitlements and programs when her and her husband have made their living and careers off a government paycheck.

Seriously, do you believe a Christian based counseling session is capable of changing a gay person straight? Either she and he husband actually do believe this or they are just seeking a paycheck. Do you think she would have been against medicare and medicaid 10-12 years ago when it was supporting her husbands business? No.

So that teet that she and her husband have been sucking on for over two decades is not only their paycheck but their way of life and the source of their wealth and income.

It will be very interesting to see how she reacts when confronted by those issues.


As for Obama, I am sure he is praying for an economic recovery. But it will not happen in his first term. Is this news now? No. Right here on this forum back in 2008 or so, I stated that this economy was not going to turn around for another 4 to 6 years at least. There were others who saw and stated this as well. So why would I change my mind in that regard now? I wouldn't.

Is he a one term president? Could be and quite possible. I can already see some in the field that scare the bejeezus out of me. They are eager to get the "idiot" votes - the votes of those who are too lazy, inept, or mentally deficient to actually study or get to know the candidates.

[eeedc]

I would not worry too much about Michelle Bachman.

InTrade puts her odds of winning the 2012 Presidential Elections and everyone else's odds except Obama, Perry and Romney at about 3% or less.
http://intrade.com/v4/markets/?eventId=84326

[Mike Cruz]

I would not worry too much about Michelle Bachman.

InTrade puts her odds of winning the 2012 Presidential Elections and everyone else's odds except Obama, Perry and Romney at about 3% or less.
http://intrade.com/v4/markets/?eventId=84326

Did you see Obama's numbers in 2007-2008? lol.

Anyone who publicly supports Michelle Bachman or even privately, should seriously consider seeing a doctor to have their brain examined. That lady is the wacko of the wacko's. I never thought I'd say this, but holy moly, shes worse than Palin.

[eeedc]

In 2008, Obama was almost always above McCain (except for the bump week after the convention where that lipstick-wearing VP was introduced), and was above Clinton previously in 2008.

I don't remember when Obama spiked up in 2007 from almost unknown. I don't know if Obama was ever at 3%.

I think the come-back kid of that election cycle was John McCain, who might have been near 3% at one time. Someone with 3% odds should win 3% of the time.

If you think Bachmann has any chance (she just promised $2 gasoline) just buy at 3% and sell at 9% to tripple your money - if it does not go to zero.

[Gerry]

In 2008, Obama was almost always above McCain (except for the bump week after the convention where that lipstick-wearing VP was introduced), and was above Clinton previously in 2008.

I don't remember when Obama spiked up in 2007 from almost unknown. I don't know if Obama was ever at 3%.

I think the come-back kid of that election cycle was John McCain, who might have been near 3% at one time. Someone with 3% odds should win 3% of the time.

If you think Bachmann has any chance (she just promised $2 gasoline) just buy at 3% and sell at 9% to tripple your money - if it does not go to zero.

I am really, really lost on the translation of what you are saying. McCain won the primary more than a year before the democrat primary was even over. Obama and Clinton (H) took it to the very end. Not sure what you are getting at, but McCain was hardly the comeback kid, unless you are comparing him to the 2000 election.

Still, McCain was sitting on a massive treasure chest of funds and should have dealt the democratic party one hell of a blow of a defeat. The democrat candidates had depleted their coffers fighting against each other (something this year's GOP candidates are sure to do).

There are two things McCain should have done but did NOT DO that cost him the election.

First, while the dems were fighting it out among each other, while McCain had well over a year to campaign and campaign heavily in regards to the issues and his (and the GOP's) position, he did not. He and his team basically sat on their asses waiting to see who was going to be their opponent and only THEN did they plan their campaign and strategy accordingly.

The second, and biggest mistake the Maverick made, was his selection of VP. Of all the people in the world to choose, he chose a nobody who knew nothing and demonstrated a total lack of knowledge of basic judicial, executive, and everyday issues. That woman scared the hell out of the most staunch supporters of the GOP and the supporters of John McCain. I have no doubt that the one scenario going through everyone's mind was this baffoon and idiot was one breath away from the Presidency of the United States.

Those two things along with a third - people fed up with the GOP and the Bush fiasco - led to the demise of the GOP chances in 2008.

But, I have no doubt...in spite of all being fed up with the way things have gone during the Bush years...had McCain chosen a VP candidate that people could get behind and support, then PERHAPS, perhaps we would be looking at and talking about a different administration.

I am sure the election of 08' will be studied and hypothesized for all eternity. But when your own party members abandon you and vote the other way, then something is certainly wrong within the ranks.

Never will McCain say he thinks he lost the election because of Palin. Never will Palin say that McCain lost the election because of her. Make no mistake about it...McCain NEVER HAD A CHANCE with Palin as a running mate. No chance in hell. He did not even get his own rank and file voter base.

When southern white males vote democrat and for a black man, there is really no point in looking too far the root cause to the problem.

[eeedc]

Since the economy blew up right after McCain picked Palin, it will always be questionable how much the bad economy or Palin or both ruined McCain's chances.

I think even McCain know that picking Palin was a risk, but McCain needed to take a chance to win. McCain needed a "game changer" as a book by that title speculates.

You often see a lossing football team take more and more chances. Often, they end up losing by even more, but once in a while the game changes and they win.

[Gerry]

The economy blew up in mid 2007. What you had was a total denial by the current demonstration. Even while in office, you never heard them utter the "R" word even though this country was in a recession in the fall of 2007. Every thing was downplayed to the point where even now, you will hear the major players say, Gee, we really underestimated every thing.

The previous administration was one big fvcking lie for the last 4 years. I recall a thread on this forum perhaps late 2006 or early 2007 in which I said the housing bubble was going to explode rather than pop and bring down the financial markets with it. But, Bushies on the forum said, no no no, not going to happen. I also recall the Bush strategists continuing to down play the economic, financial, and job crisis by saying that unemployment would hit 8.5% in the fall of 2009. You see, it was an election year and they had to put everyone's mind at ease. No, we are not in a recession. No, our financial markets are stable. No, there is no mass exodus of jobs.

Yet, but the fall of 2008 the recession was borderline depression, the financial markets had totally collapsed, and the unemployment rate had reached 8.5% within the first quarter of 2009.

Honestly, I do not know how some of these people can live with themselves appearing on the talkshows, college circuit, radio programs spouting that they had simply missed all the early warning signs and underestimated exactly how bad things were. Well, let me say I do realize how the can live with themselves...they are paid to appear on these shows.


At any rate, yes...I was an informed and an involved voter. I was part of McCains team in NC even before he announced he was going to run (his office sent all of us an email saying he was going to declare that night on David Letterman).

Point is, regarding Bachmann...I can not believe a word she says because she is playing to the crowd and her base of supporters telling them what they want to hear. Instead of saying, Don't do what my husband and I have done. Don't live like my husband and I have lived. Don't take money from the entitlement programs like my husband and I have done. Don't take government subsidies for property not owned like my husband and I have done. we all have to realize that campaign season is in full swing.

Here's another real kick in the balls for most Americans being swayed by Bachmann...see if you can find a list of books that Michelle Bachmann (on her website) used to say everyone needs to read. This was her list of recommended books on her very own website. There is good chance that it may have been taken down. One book on that list is worth noting and paying attention to.

If you find the list and look up the books, you'll know which one I am talking about.

As I mentioned, there is a very good chance that the list has disappeared off of her personal site.

If this book she highly recommended comes to light and she is pressed about the contents and why she recommended it to all her constituents, her campaign and her career may come to a very abrupt halt.

This shit is too good to make up. That is why I want others to find it for themselves and then can be their own source of information rather than me posting and thinking it is not true and I am making it up.

Yeah, its almost like a scavenger hunt.

[eeedc]

Alternative history is just making up stories, but given the bad economy, do you think that anyone else with McCain as his VP would have changed the result to a McCain victory? If yes, please name him or her.

[Gerry]

Alternative history? Do you think McCain had a chance with Palin? Or do you think he sunk his chances with Palin?

Nor do I think that if McCain had been elected would we be in a better position economically or financially (as a nation).

[Raider]

The economy blew up in mid 2007.

Your actually right about something...

It blew up when Democrats won control of both houses in Congress;

Senate Pres. pro tem: Robert Byrd (D)
House Speaker: Nancy Pelosi (D)
Members: 100 Senators
435 Representatives
5 Non-voting members
Senate Majority: Democratic Party
House Majority: Democratic Party

Sessions:
1st: January 4, 2007 – December 19, 2007
2nd: January 3, 2008 – January 3, 2009

Two words...Sarah Palin.

Not a person in the world could have swayed me to vote for McCain after seeing that paraded around on the scene. That was scarier than anything Obama had ever been associated with.

Oh, so now Sarah Palin is the scapegoat for you making a BAD DECISION, is that it?

This is classic Doc Com, he defended Obama BEFORE Palin was even chosen and here he is using Palin as the reason for supporting Obama.. Not to mention the fact that he supported Obama on just about every policy decision from day one, defended him against attack for over 2 1/2 years and now that Obama has proven himself of how incompetent and incapable he is of improving anything, Doc is using Palin as the reason for voting and supporting Obama... He's pulling an Obama that's what he's doing.. He thinks you all have short memories and your dumb enough to believe it.

Even if their was a VP that he approved of, Doc would have voted no differently... Liberal minded thinkers like him vote according to ideology and NOT who's running. Same with conservatives... Independents on the other hand are more swayed by the candidate(s).

As for McCain and Obama, both of them are f*ck-ups, it's just that McCain was a lessor f*ckup than Obama... No doubt Americans were robbed in 2008 of quality candidates and were all paying for it now, When people ask me who I voted for, instead of telling them I voted for McCain, I will either say I voted for Palin or I voted against Obama. If we voted for the smartest guy in the room like when we voted for Reagan, America wouldn't have nearly as many problems as it has today.