More Americans pro-life than pro-choice

[fab]

men are out of line when trying to dictate a woman's future

It has nothing to do with men or women, it has to do with the fetus. In most circumstances both man and woman knew the circumstances.

[Salient]

A woman always has a choice. Choice to say "No". A man likewise always has a choice to say "No".

Yes or no choice has no relevance on the outcome of the poll, which was my point. The poll is not any less flawed because someone has the "choice" to say "no."

That's like saying I have a choice to say "yes" to intelligent design.

[biggedon]

It has nothing to do with men or women, it has to do with the fetus. In most circumstances both man and woman knew the circumstances.

when men start carrying a fetus thru full term, inside their bodies, then they will have the right to choose.


imo...

[fab]

when men start carrying a fetus thru full term, inside their bodies, then they will have the right to choose.


imo...

Based on your opinion, we should leave all discussion here to the women, i.e., NameAdvertising and Raider.

Yes or no choice has no relevance on the outcome of the poll, which was my point. The poll is not any less flawed because someone has the "choice" to say "no."

Most polls are flawed, due to points similar to what you pointed out, I don't think she was referring to that.

[katherine]

It's very easy for men to make decisions on behalf of women... especially when they go awol after the fact

[PRED]

I am pro life in most cases. I do not believe in abortion for any reason other than:

the baby has no chance for survival
its a child having a child due to rape

For those who CHOSE to have sex whether they are 16 or 36 they should have to take responsibility for their actions. If they do not want the baby they can put it up for adoption once its born but to use ABORTION has a way not to have kids. Screw that!

For those who are adults and have been raped its a horrible thing that no one should ever have to go through and if pregnancy is the result of it that would make it even harder, but is it fair to an unborn baby how it was conceived?

Why end its life for something that it did not do? Again adoption is always a choice.

I never really judge anyone who has decided to do this but I am strongly against it.

i agree

also this is not killing a foetus. in UK i think you have up to 5 months or something crazy. certainly children have lived after being born before the abortion limit. which is insane, cruel etc

people need to know what happens with abortion before defending it so willy nilly.
when a mother is say 4 months gone, they receive an injection, basically they have to give birth to the baby and its left to die on the side

there is no real answer. but it starts with education, education, education

if education didnt work. then responsibilities need to be met. families need to support. and for those who are unfortunate enough to have no family, or caring family, this is why we need a strong social and state backup. so people can be supported. im not talking about just handouts, but real support, and/or foster families. temporary or fulltime.
there are millions of childless couples who are ready, willing and able also

[south]

i agree

also this is not killing a foetus. in UK i think you have up to 5 months or something crazy. certainly children have lived after being born before the abortion limit. which is insane, cruel etc

people need to know what happens with abortion before defending it so willy nilly.
when a mother is say 4 months gone, they receive an injection, basically they have to give birth to the baby and its left to die on the side

there is no real answer. but it starts with education, education, education

if education didnt work. then responsibilities need to be met. families need to support. and for those who are unfortunate enough to have no family, or caring family, this is why we need a strong social and state backup. so people can be supported. im not talking about just handouts, but real support, and/or foster families. temporary or fulltime.
there are millions of childless couples who are ready, willing and able also

Absolutely agree. Yes, freedom of choice to me means people have the choice of whether to go to sleep together or not. That is when the decision should be made, not after the fact.

[HarveyJ]

Where did you get this from?.... Are you suggesting a fetus feels nothing up until 30 weeks?

Uhhh, a freakin medical text book: Cognitive Neurosciences from MIT press.
Try reading up on prenatal thalamic development.
Paraphrasing here, but, while the receptors themselves develop as early as 8 weeks, they're useless without the cortices being connected to them. This has been observed to happen as early as 28 weeks, but on average happens at 30-31.

An analogy is like having a webcam (eye, for argument's sake) and a computer (brain, for arguments sake). Your USB cables are basically the dendrites that would form the connection if they were long enough in the first place... But even if they were (which they aren't at this point), it's still useless because you don't have a fully integrated USB2 card (ocipital cortex).

This is also backed up by another book from Routledge. Young minds & growing Brains or something like that.

[akcampbell]

I think men, or women, for that matter, have every right to legislate against a murder of convenience, which is what abortion is. If a couple fail to take adequate precautions, their rights to avoid relationship, career, education, emotional and financial problems should take second place to the right to life of an unborn baby. For rape and incest, a woman should retain her right to choose, in other situations a civilised society must protect life at all costs.

One thing I would do is make men pay far more towards the upkeep of their children, that way a woman can bring the baby up with less financial hardship. This would have the added benefit of making men take more responsibility for contraception. If a man doesn't have the resources to pay more, the state should help out more, but the man should retain his debt to the state for the assistance it provides throughout his life, so that if he starts making money in his 50s or 60s he has to pay his debt off then through higher taxes. The extra tax generated should be used to pay for better childcare facilities and education and training opportunities for mothers.

[DomainsInc]

So what you're saying is I need to support government social programs to be truly pro-life? The government makes everything worse when it gets involved. There are plenty of private organizations out there that provide what you're asking without tax dollars.

Did i say government social programs? No. They don't have to be government funded. I just think that if you want to make sure the kid has a shot at life you should also be making sure the kid is being raised in a decent enviroment so they actually have a shot and not just another throw away forgotten future criminal.