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WASHINGTON – Arctic sea ice is melting so fast most of it could be gone in 30 years. A new analysis of changing conditions in the region, using complex computer models of weather and climate, says conditions that had been forecast by the end of the century could occur much sooner.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090402/...sc/sci_sea_ice
This is the part of the article I love.....
Computer models have shown in the past to be way off if not completely wrong. This doesn't bother people like H2FC though. Fixing Global Warming fulfills their fantasy of a world where people live like they did a thousand years ago. Boy I can't wait!!!A new analysis of changing conditions in the region, using complex computer models of weather and climate, says conditions that had been forecast by the end of the century could occur much sooner.
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Whether or not the US will cut back on CO2 emissions is unknown, but I highly doubt China will.More Proof Of Man Made Global Warming
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Actually what I see coming within the next 40-50 years is a world where clean alternative energies such as solar and wind will provide at least 80% of our energy needs.Originally Posted by bd77
We will soon outgrow our "caveman" ways of slowly destroying life on our planet in order to provide our energy needs. I think clean hydrogen will replace fossil fuels as our main abundant fuel.
Hydrogen will be easily produced, stored, and safely transported to wherever its needed for fuel. H2 will be a product from different sources, water being the main source with sun and wind power being the driving force behind H2 production.
H2 will not be burned in ICE vehicles such as many of the major auto companies are building now; the electrons will be stripped from it without burning and converted to KWs to power electric motors.
A new hydrogen economy will not only solve the MMGW problem but will in fact change our world in many difference ways for the better. My vision is of a world without wars, pollution, and high energy prices. I dream of a world in which our children can breath fresh clean air and enjoy nature as our ancestors did before fossil fuel pollution.
There are many companies working on hydrogen production right now....here is what one company is doing.
http://www.safehydrogen.com/about.html
Politicians and diapers need changing often...both for the same reason.
Wishfull thinking!Actually what I see coming within the next 40-50 years is a world where clean alternative energies such as solar and wind will provide at least 80% of our energy needs.
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More Proof Of Man Made Global Warming
This is your proof?
When God was throwing intelligence down to the Earth, you must of been holding an umbrella.
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I fully agree. Hers' the proof:
Thursday - The projected path had hurricane Ike making landfall at Ft Lauderdale (direct hit for me) as a category 2/3 on Monday.
Friday - The projected path had hurricane Ike making landfall at Ft Lauderdale as a category 5 on Monday. (We started packing).
Saturday - The projected path had hurricane Ike making landfall near West Palm Beach, FL (about 20 miles to the north) as a category 5 on Monday (<48 hours away)
Monday - hurricane Ike makes landfall at Cabo Lucrecia, Cuba. The "track' was over 500 miles off.
I don't know why we put so much trust in computer models - it's a guess just like ours, it just comes faster and with a lot more equations built into it.
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James Hansen of NASA, AKA "Global Warming Cheerleader" for the left, was found to be wrong with many of his Computer models as well, NASA ultimately had to correct his findings because they were so far off...
Here's another one;
Warmest October Claim Was Wrong, NASA Admits
It's computer models like these, that alarmists like H2FC are using to push the Global Warming LIE on the American people and the world.
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It might of interest to some the misleading story Raider posted above is from the Heartland Institute. This is one of many organizations that gets big support from ExxonMobil to twist the facts on MMGW.
The story was written by James M. Taylor, Managing Editor of Environment & Climate News with the Heartland Institute. He and others like him do all they can to dispell the truth of MMGW.
Heartland Institute has received $676,500 from ExxonMobil from 1998 to 2006.
1997
$unknown Mobil Corporation
Source: Heartland material, present at 3/16/97 conference
1998
$30,000 ExxonMobil Corporate Giving
Source: Exxon Education Foundation Dimensions 1998 report
2000
$115,000 ExxonMobil Foundation
Climate Change
Source: ExxonMobil Foundation 2000 IRS 990
2001
$90,000 ExxonMobil Foundation
Source: ExxonMobil 2001 Worldwide Giving Report
2002
$15,000 ExxonMobil Foundation
Source: ExxonMobil 2002 Worldwide Giving Report
2003
$7,500 ExxonMobil Corporate Giving
19th Aniversary Benefit Dinner
Source: ExxonMobil 2003 Worldwide Giving Report
2003
$85,000 ExxonMobil Foundation
General Operating Support
Source: ExxonMobil 2003 Worldwide Giving Report
2004
$10,000 Exxon Corporation
Climate Change Activities
Source: ExxonMobil 2004 Worldwide Giving Report
2004
$15,000 ExxonMobil Foundation
Climate Change Efforts
Source: ExxonMobil 2004 Worldwide Giving Report
2004
$75,000 ExxonMobil Foundation
General Operating Support
Source: ExxonMobil 2004 Worldwide Giving Report
2005
$29,000 ExxonMobil Foundation
Source: ExxonMobil 2005 Worldwide Giving Report
2005
$90,000 ExxonMobil Corporate Giving
Source: ExxonMobil 2005 Worldwide Giving Report
2006
$90,000 ExxonMobil Corporate Giving
General Operating Support
Source: ExxonMobil 2006 Worldwide Giving Report
2006
$10,000 ExxonMobil Corporate Giving
Anniversary benefit dinner
Source: ExxonMobil 2006 Worldwide Giving Report
2006
$15,000 ExxonMobil Corporate Giving
general operating support
Source: ExxonMobil 2006 Worldwide Giving Report
Go here to see a list of other organizations ExxonMobil provides funding for twisting the truth about MMGW. This is where Raider, GOPC, and many other minority skeptics get there false information concerning global warming.
http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/listorganizations.php
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Anything can disappear when it's being overlooked
Feb. 20 (Bloomberg) -- A glitch in satellite sensors caused scientists to underestimate the extent of Arctic sea ice by 500,000 square kilometers (193,000 square miles), a California- size area, the U.S. National Snow and Ice Data Center said.
The error, due to a problem called “sensor drift,” began in early January and caused a slowly growing underestimation of sea ice extent until mid-February. That’s when “puzzled readers” alerted the NSIDC about data showing ice-covered areas as stretches of open ocean, the Boulder, Colorado-based group said on its Web site.
“Sensor drift, although infrequent, does occasionally occur and it is one of the things that we account for during quality- control measures prior to archiving the data,” the center said. “Although we believe that data prior to early January are reliable, we will conduct a full quality check.’’
The extent of Arctic sea ice is seen as a key measure of how rising temperatures are affecting the Earth. The cap retreated in 2007 to its lowest extent ever and last year posted its second- lowest annual minimum at the end of the yearly melt season. The recent error doesn’t change findings that Arctic ice is retreating, the NSIDC said.
The center said real-time data on sea ice is always less reliable than archived numbers because full checks haven’t yet been carried out. Historical data is checked across other sources, it said.
The NSIDC uses Department of Defense satellites to obtain its Arctic sea ice data rather than more accurate National Aeronautics and Space Administration equipment. That’s because the defense satellites have a longer period of historical data, enabling scientists to draw conclusions about long-term ice melt, the center said.
“There is a balance between being as accurate as possible at any given moment and being as consistent as possible through long time-periods,” NSIDC said. “Our main scientific focus is on the long-term changes in Arctic sea ice.”
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aIe9swvOqwIY
Not misleading at all, Everything in the article is factual and you FAILED once again to disprove it... Posting donations does not dispell the truth, instead it just goes to show how inept you are at debating the facts.
Somebody has to fight the Global Warming LIES.... With all the money ExxonMobil has, I would think they would of given a lot more than 84K a year.
The site also has a link for donations, I just may donate to them too, Thanks for the info H2FC.
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Man made global warming - probably mostly locally effected by chemtrails (globally by solar influences) Ruptures in antarctic shelves - incisions by fusion reactor powered satellite laser beams Just my opinion. http://www.rense.com/general85/antart.htm Antarctic Ice Is GROWING, Not Melting Away 4-21-9 ICE is expanding in much of Antarctica, contrary to the widespread public belief that global warming is melting the continental ice cap. The results of ice-core drilling and sea ice monitoring indicate there is no large-scale melting of ice over most of Antarctica, although experts are concerned at ice losses on the continent's western coast. Antarctica has 90 per cent of the Earth's ice and 80 per cent of its fresh water, The Australian reports. Extensive melting of Antarctic ice sheets would be required to raise sea levels substantially, and ice is melting in parts of west Antarctica. The destabilisation of the Wilkins ice shelf generated international headlines this month. However, the picture is very different in east Antarctica, which includes the territory claimed by Australia. East Antarctica is four times the size of west Antarctica and parts of it are cooling. The Scientific Committee on Antarctic Research report prepared for last week's meeting ofAntarctic Treaty Australian Antarctic Division glaciology program head Ian Allison said sea ice losses in west Antarctica over the past 30 years had been more than offset by increases in the Ross Sea region, just one sector of east Antarctica. "Sea ice conditions have remained stable in Antarctica generally," Dr Allison said. The melting of sea ice - fast ice and pack ice - does not cause sea levels to rise because the ice is in the water. Sea levels may rise with losses from freshwater ice sheets on the polar caps. In Antarctica, these losses are in the form of icebergs calved from ice shelves formed by glacial movements on the mainland. [...]
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Don't worry to much about global warming, experts are working on geoengineering, time is running out to fast or most likely have run out for that tipping point.
Funny not many talking about it, but it's the only way now to stop what some claim is in al gores head. It's called geoengineering or Climate Hacking, experts are already working on it and will likely have to use it. So much for people that say human can't control the climate, more and more experts are working on geoengineering right now.
I now believe that geoengineering is the only way, as long as it's done a tiny bit at a time and the right way to make sure. I do think we have passed the tipping point already, and this will speed up out of control, and slowing down CO2 out put can't keep us from reaching the tipping point now.
See a story at the link below.......
http://www.slate.com/id/2217230/pagenum/all/#p2
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I will add this silly fight that humans are not making global warming is over, because now humans will have to use geoengineering to stop the worst of it. Human made this problem, and human will now have to fix this problem I'm sure.
Whenever I read the title of this thread, it's hard not to laugh... really
More "Proof" Of Man Made Global Warming
What's even more funny is that H2FC was the one who pushed me into doing my own research, and in doing so I learned there is NO proof... Plenty of web sites that preach the MMGW theory, (what thousands of climate scientists clearly dispute) but NOT one that proves it.... They must not of seen Al Gores move, the guy who got a failing grade in Science.
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All the talk about geoengineering to fight MMGW is really scary. There is no telling what could happen to our climate as a result.
I believe the ONLY way to fight climate change is to stop the excessive co2 being dumped into the atmosphere.
I believe its possible and feasible to change our dirty fossil fuel energy system to one of clean, affordable and renewable..... and one that will not slowly but surely destroy our environment as we know it. Maybe this could be done with the use of coal burning if....and thats a BIG IF..... new technology is put into use at an affordable price that would allow the capture and storage (or reuse) of co2. I understand there is a lot of new tech in this area.
Solar and wind that allows us to separate hydrogen for energy use is the holy grail of clean energy but it would be great if our abundance of coal were somehow be made usable without releasing more co2 into our atmosphere.
Those who insist on ignoring our man made co2 problem do nothing to help the situation. They appear to be content with pushing it off to our children and let them suffer the consequences of our failure to act on this most important problem of our generation.
My one time feelings of pity for the skeptics lack of understanding on this most important issue is slowly changing to disgust and despise as they continue to laugh it off and make fun of Al Gore, NASA warming scientist James Hansen, the UN and the worlds most respected climate scientists, as if they themselves are to blame for our world's obvious climate changes in recent years.
The skeptics need to wise up and realize just burying your head in the sand is not the answer.
Perhaps they're already using it. At least I can't explain the contrail patterns in the sky at creature dot com, can you? Every day is hazy, the cirrus cloud used to burn off around midday, now it seems to hang around all day.
'Those who stand for nothing fall for anything' - Alexander Hamilton in 1978
Seeing how you raise the subject - What grades do you have?They must not of seen Al Gores move, the guy who got a failing grade in Science.
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>>> Perhaps they're already using it. At least I can't explain the contrail patterns in the sky at creature dot com, can you? <<<
They are trying some things already I know, but on what scale I could not say. But since the gov't doing stuff with NASA it could be, but it may well be some thing else all together. They seed clouds to try and make rain and stuff I know, but my guess is nothing on any kind of scale is going on yet.
From what I seen of the experts working on geoengineering, are being very careful not to try things that could go very wrong. It would seem the very experts, the nay sayers keep putting down are the ones. That are trying to make 100% sure they are careful, the very ones that will at some point have the earths weather system in their hands.
What we really have to worry about, is big biz taking making money over everything else. That how we got into this mess we find our self's, we can now see the end of what resource's we have at some point. And the gov't's of the world's see it as well, and hopefully get it's can't keep going the way it has been.
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I don't see how it's relevant to the discussion, but since you ask; I was a straight "A" student
At any rate, you don't need to be highly educated to figure out the lies surrounding MMGW, all it takes is a little research and the ability NOT to believe everything you hear from these nutty environmentalists.
Google "Global Warming Lies" theirs a wealth of information out there for you.
Read what real Climate Scientists have to say, Scientists who receive no funding from Government or special interest groups.
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