Nader: " if Bush should have been impeached, Obama should be impeached"

[jasdon11]

Hypocrisy exposed... Not one person who posted so far in this thread will even acknowledge that what Obama did in Libya was ILLEGAL.

How incredibly intellectually dishonest all of you are, Bltching and complaining for 10 years about how Bush illegally attacked Iraq, Calling him a war criminal and asking for impeachment, But when your boy Obama commits a worse act by acting alone and attacking a foreign county illegally as he sees fit, where innocent civilians have DIED, That's OK in your mind.

I suppose your going to tell us Obama had a obligation to invade Libya, that he couldn't wait for Congress to act, That US intervention was needed to prevent Gaddafi from killing more of his people, right?

Bush and Blair did ILLEGALLY attack Iraq - the evidence they had said there were no WMD so they created a lie. Thats easy to comprehend, no?

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NOT ONE US TROOP huh?

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/oreill...y-ground-libya


Either your a LIAR or your just plain IGNORANT, Being the diehard Obama supporter that you are, I would say your BOTH.




Here's what I don't understand about you Liberals, you didn't care when Saddam Hussein killed over a Million people, but you care now about the people in Libya. Is it because you like Libyans and you HATE Iraq's and Iranians, is that it?

We didn't invade Iraq to stop him killing his own people, or even those in surrounding countries. The (lie) reason was because he had weapons that could strike 'us' within 45 minutes...and if there is still anyone out there who believes that...

This is what I'm talking about, the outright Hypocrisy by Liberal jackasses like Hawkeye... They scream about protecting the thousands of innocent people in Libya and at the same time blast Bush for taking out a dictator who committed FAR FAR worse atrocities against his own people.

It's not that Liberals or the Obama drones care about the innocent people of Libya, (they dont!) it's more about finding justification for illegal behavior from a President they BLINDLY support.

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You agree your a hypocrite? Their might be some hope for you yet.

How many of the claims in your little cartoon are actual and not just propagander? My guess is less than 20% - the rest can be filed with the WMD BS.

[Raider]

Bush and Blair die ILLEGALLY attack Iraq - the evidence they had said there were no WMD so they created a lie. Thats easy to comprehend,

We didn't invade Iraq to stop him killing his own people, or even those in surrounding countries. The (lie) reason was because he had weapons that could strike 'us' within 45 minutes...and if there is still anyone out there who believes that...

I'm not going to argue with you about the justification for invading Iraq, we can argue until were both blue in the face, The fact is their WAS overwhelming justification for taking out Saddam and every person who posted in this thread damn well knows it! Looking back at how many years we've been there and the lives that have been lost, it's easy for all of you to say it was wrong for going in, But at the time it was the right move, and it wasn't just the USA, many other of our Allies were on board with it.

Do we have to wait until the death toll rises in Libya for all you to tell us it was a mistake?

When Obama sends ground troops to battle, will it be a mistake then?

[jasdon11]

I'm not going to argue with you about the justification for invading Iraq, we can argue until were both blue in the face, The fact is their WAS overwhelming justification for taking out Saddam and every person who posted in this thread damn well knows it! Looking back at how many years we've been there and the lives that have been lost, it's easy for all of you to say it was wrong for going in, But at the time it was the right move, and it wasn't just the USA, many other of our Allies were on board with it.

Do we have to wait until the death toll rises in Libya for all you to tell us it was a mistake?

When Obama sends ground troops to battle, will it be a mistake then?

I said right at the beginning, prior to going into Iraq that it was all BS; shouldn't happen. Not least because the reason given, was a blatent lie.

Libya? The same. Our involvement should be no more than ensuring the rebel forces within their own country have enough tools to be able defend themselves. We can barely look after the people in our own countries - we have no business trying to sort out anyone elses.

If the rebels in these States cannot muster enough support amongst their own people, then perhaps the cause isn't justified.

[Raider]

I said right at the beginning, prior to going into Iraq that it was all BS; shouldn't happen. Not least because the reason given, was a blatent lie.

Libya? The same. Our involvement should be no more than ensuring the rebel forces within their own country have enough tools to be able defend themselves. We can barely look after the people in our own countries - we have no business trying to sort out anyone elses.

If the rebels in these States cannot muster enough support amongst their own people, then perhaps the cause isn't justified.

Jasdon, Thank you for at least being honest and showing some consistency which we both know has been lacking in this section, As for Libya, I'm actually in agreement with you this, give them the tools and let them fight for their own Freedom, For reasons the US is over extended as it is and the cost of fighting another war would be far better spent at home..

Isn't that what Obama preached throughout his entire campaign, that the money should be spent here at home, remember that? And here is acting alone trying to start another war. It was all about appealing to the anti-war crowd in order to get elected, Establish a base and appeal to it, then stab them in the back after your elected.

With reference to Iraq, I believe the justification for invading Iraq was warranted, not just for the threat of WMD's but for a long list of other reasons including humanitarian.. When we invaded Iraq we opened up a hornets nest we weren't prepared for, fighting totalitarian forces for 10 years in hopes of bringing Democracy to Iraq, I don't think America was prepared for that kind of sacrifice at all, and many will say the price of blood America paid was too high, in that respect I would have to agree.

[jasdon11]

With reference to Iraq, I believe the justification for invading Iraq was warranted, not just for the threat of WMD's but for a long list of other reasons including humanitarian.. When we invaded Iraq we opened up a hornets nest we weren't prepared for, fighting totalitarian forces for 10 years in hopes of bringing Democracy to Iraq, I don't think America was prepared for that kind of sacrifice at all, and many will say the price of blood America paid was too high, in that respect I would have to agree.

Just as with WMD, the humanitarian aspect seems to have been vastly overstated. It was no Rowanda. And who gave the US the job of spreading democracy throughout the world...by force? There are far more people dead and injured because of the war than there would've been without it. It would've been simple to eliminate Saddam Hussein - simple to make it look like one of his own had done it. Happens all the time - look at President Karzai's brother the other week.

[Gerry]

Notice the spin doctor at work, taking another page from the GOP bible, the words the justification as if suddenly that makes it all better.

Now, it does not matter if the justification was made up and fabricated, it was still justified.

And, the bullshit about opening up a hornets nest we weren't prepared for? Yet another page straight from the script book. Fact is, after 15 centuries of tribal war, sect against sect, tribe against tribe, suppression by the minority Baath party over the others - we KNEW EXACTLY what we were about to step into and many warned against it.

No matter how many years pass, you are not going to get away from history by saying this action was justified.

[Mike Cruz]

I had an amazing week. Haven't had that much fun in a while and going to be doing it all over again next month in Atlanta... Just thought I'd share a little something that had absolutely nothing to do with this post so I can have just about the same amount of relevancy as the other posts in this thread.

[Raider]

Was I the first one to say the US was "Justified" for invading Iraq?

OR was it these congressmen who voted for a resolution authorizing George Bush take Military action against Iraq? These are some of the most Liberal members in the Senate;

Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Biden (D-DE)
Breaux (D-LA)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Carnahan (D-MO)
Carper (D-DE)
Cleland (D-GA)
Clinton (D-NY)
Daschle (D-SD)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Edwards (D-NC)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Harkin (D-IA)
Hollings (D-SC)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kerry (D-MA)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Miller (D-GA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Reid (D-NV)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Schumer (D-NY)
Torricelli (D-NJ)

Every Senator listed above obviously believed at the time their was "justification" for military action otherwise they would of never vote for it.

Finding Justification for the Iraq invasion dates back to October 2002, When the DUNCE"s own Senator from North Carolina John Edwards voted in FAVOR of the invasion...

So NO, it did not come from any GOP Bible as our resident "Dunce" is suggesting, it came from both parties, his party INCLUDED.

And, the bullshit about opening up a hornets nest we weren't prepared for? Yet another page straight from the script book. Fact is, after 15 centuries of tribal war, sect against sect, tribe against tribe, suppression by the minority Baath party over the others - we KNEW EXACTLY what we were about to step into and many warned against it.

I see, We KNEW EXACTLY before invading Iraq but we didn't KNOW EXACTLY when your boy Lyndon Johnson declared war on Vietnam? The war you stated was "Justified" because of the "Gulf of Tonkin" incident, remember that?

The DUNCE tells us it was "Justified" to send 536,000 troops into Vietnam, Which we all know was the most senseless war the United States has ever fought, A war we LOST. A war that was started by a Dumb Ass Liberal Democrat that resulted in 58,220 American Deaths, 303,635 wounded and 1,687 still missing. That was "Justified" according to our DUNCE.

No matter how many years pass, you are not going to get away from history by saying this action was justified.

You've certainly been able to do it.