Nader: " if Bush should have been impeached, Obama should be impeached"

[Raider]

You can say a lot of things about Bush, but at least he had the brains to ask for Congressional approval before launching military strikes in Iraq and Afghanistan, Seems the only approval Obama got was a hair up his ass when he decided to ILLEGALLY attack Libya;






Lawmakers sue President Obama over Libya
By REID J. EPSTEIN |


A bipartisan group of House members announced on Wednesday that it is filing a lawsuit charging that President Obama made an illegal end-run around Congress when he approved U.S military action against Libya.

“With regard to the war in Libya, we believe that the law was violated. We have asked the courts to move to protect the American people from the results of these illegal policies,” said Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio), who led the 10-member anti-war coalition with Rep. Walter Jones (R-N.C.).

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories...#ixzz1RyMsb900



Nader: Impeach Obama for 'war crimes'
By Jordan Fabian





Former presidential candidate Ralph Nader says President Obama should be impeached for committing "war crimes" in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The consumer advocate and former presidential candidate said in an interview that aired Friday that Obama has committed "war crimes" on the same level as President Bush.

"Why don't we say what's on the minds of many legal experts; that the Obama administration is committing war crimes and if Bush should have been impeached, Obama should be impeached," Nader said in an interview with the anti-war Democracy Now! organization.

Nader's comments came before the U.S. on Saturday launched military strikes into Libya, but they are among the toughest criticisms Obama has endured from the left.

The consumer advocate participated in an anti-war demonstration outside the White House this weekend, during which more than 100 protesters were arrested.

The U.S. sought the passage of a U.N. Security Council resolution and commitments from European and Arab nations before taking action in Libya to thwart the country's leader, Col. Moammar Gadhafi, from killing civilians amidst a rebellion against his regime.

Nader's comments, however, were mainly directed at Obama's prosecution of the Afghanistan war. Some liberal activists have objected to Obama's decision to escalate the war and are unhappy with government's treatment of Bradley Manning, the Army private accused of leaking classified documents to the organization WikiLeaks.

"[Bush officials] were considered war criminals by many people. Now, Barack Obama is committing the same crimes," Nader said. "In fact, worse ones in Afghanistan. Innocents are being slaughtered, we are creating more enemies, he is violating international law."

Obama appears to be facing growing resistance from the left over his administration's foreign policy.

Anti-war filmmaker Michael Moore sharply criticized the president's authorization of military strikes in Libya and a cadre of liberal House Democrats are questioning the constitutionality of the Libya operation.

[jasdon11]

As far as pretty much the rest of the world is concerned, Bush (yeah, and Blair) ILLEGALLY attacked Iraq.

Bush should have been impeached? No. Drowned at birth? Yes.

[Raider]

As far as pretty much the rest of the world is concerned, Bush (yeah, and Blair) ILLEGALLY attacked Iraq.

And Obama LEGALLY attacked Libya right?

[PRED]

if Bush can't get impeached or imprisoned for being responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent people including his own countrymen, how the hell are you planning to get obama?
it won't happen

the only way clinton got impeached was for lying about taking a blowjob off an aide. americans care far more about sexual misconduct while in office it seems than the slaughter of innocents

who exactly is in court for the US use of weapons of mass destruction in Fallujah? the massacre in Fallujah and other parts of Iraq?
and the ongoing legacy that is worse than hiroshima
please when you're bouncing your kids up and down on your knee all safe and warm, tell them people like their mum was responsible for defending and voting in the people responsible

now, if you want to get obama impeached. you know what you got to do

Libya is completely wrong. by the US, UK and Nato
no doubt obama will hide behind the UN backing rules
doesn't seem to matter the UK, Italy, US etc have been selling arms to Libya for years or that boots are already on the ground
it's a disaster already. any normal person was stating this before this happened and warning not to go in

that aside we can't even afford to keep our elderly warm at winter ffs in the uk and have been cutting back our military
the lunatics have taken over the asylum in the US and the UK it seems. well, that happened a LONG time ago

[Gerry]

Naw, Bush should not be impeached.

He should be held as a war criminal and a criminal to humanity and tried at the Hague.

[hawkeye]

The best thing that could happen Raider, is that Obama gets re-elected (which he will), and you'll have to deal with it for 4 more years!! Unfortunately this forum would still have to put with your whining rants and tirades. But.. worth it!!

VOTE Obama in 2012!!

[PRED]

Ron Paul.
Forget the party, just think of the man.
He is your only hope of not disappearing down the plughole into the sewer forever.

[Gerry]

Hmm...was Obama the first US president to attack Libya? Without congressional approval? In a unilateral move? In a shroud of secrecy?

I love the fact that finally NATO has grown some balls and participated and took the lead in this.

NATO? Isn't that a Euro thingy?

Me thinks that someone, once again, needs to look up history of US action against Libya. And exactly what the letters N-A-T-O stands for and supports.

Egad...this might actually involve (dare I say) GOP messiah Reagan?

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Ron Paul.
Forget the party, just think of the man.
He is your only hope of not disappearing down the plughole into the sewer forever.

I am open to all options. ALL.

[jasdon11]

And Obama LEGALLY attacked Libya right?

I didn't say that.

I'll be the first to admit, Obama is coming across as weak...BUT...he is still far preferable to the alternative.

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if Bush can't get impeached or imprisoned for being responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent people including his own countrymen, how the hell are you planning to get obama?
it won't happen

the only way clinton got impeached was for lying about taking a blowjob off an aide. americans care far more about sexual misconduct while in office it seems than the slaughter of innocents

who exactly is in court for the US use of weapons of mass destruction in Fallujah? the massacre in Fallujah and other parts of Iraq?
and the ongoing legacy that is worse than hiroshima
please when you're bouncing your kids up and down on your knee all safe and warm, tell them people like their mum was responsible for defending and voting in the people responsible

now, if you want to get obama impeached. you know what you got to do

Libya is completely wrong. by the US, UK and Nato
no doubt obama will hide behind the UN backing rules
doesn't seem to matter the UK, Italy, US etc have been selling arms to Libya for years or that boots are already on the ground
it's a disaster already. any normal person was stating this before this happened and warning not to go in

that aside we can't even afford to keep our elderly warm at winter ffs in the uk and have been cutting back our military
the lunatics have taken over the asylum in the US and the UK it seems. well, that happened a LONG time ago

Spot on!

[Gerry]

the only way clinton got impeached was for lying about taking a blowjob off an aide. americans care far more about sexual misconduct while in office it seems than the slaughter of innocents

They were impeachment procedings. Hundreds of millions of dollars spent by the Repubs and Kenneth Starr to find something to nail any of the Clintons to. Despite knowingly not having the votes to impeach, the GOP controlled house decided to go ahead, even though they knew Clinton would not be impeached...the GOP went ahead and brought impeachment charges against Clinton.

And leading the charge was non other than one name Newt Gingrich.

Yes, while Newt wanted to crucify Clinton for getting a hummer, Newt himself was out in the senate parking deck getting his own wad swallowed by his now 3rd wife. Yup, while he was married to his 2nd wife (whom he also cheated with while married to wife number one.), Newt was out in the parking lot cheating on wife number 2 with his now 3rd wife going down on him.

It was perhaps just jealousy that Newt could not use the West Wing and the Oval Office like Bill could.

[Raider]

Many of you seem to be missing the point, this thread is not so much about impeaching Obama or charging him with war crimes, It's about exposing the outright hypocrisy from all you bleeding hearts.

If Bush is a war criminal, so is Obama.

If Bush should be impeached for attacking Iraq with congressional approval, Obama should be impeached and MORE, He should be subject to WORSE punishment for attacking Libya withOUT congressional approval.

the only way clinton got impeached was for lying about taking a blowjob off an aide.

Wrong, he was impeached when he perjured himself repeatedly before a Federal Judge.

In this country perjury is a crime, what your suggesting is people in high places are above the law and shouldn't be punished and the ones who aren't in high places should. This is often the way it works unfortunately when Politicians break the law, they do it because they feel their above the law and can get away with it... This is really what Clinton's impeachment was all about, it more of a statement than anything else.

[Banned: dn-101]

There were reports that Imelda Marcos' shoes were put up for sale. She had 3,000+ pairs of shoes.
I wonder who got them

[PRED]

Wrong, he was impeached when he perjured himself repeatedly before a Federal Judge.

In this country perjury is a crime, what your suggesting is people in high places are above the law and shouldn't be punished and the ones who aren't in high places should. This is often the way it works unfortunately when Politicians break the law, they do it because they feel their above the law and can get away with it... This is really what Clinton's impeachment was all about, it more of a statement than anything else.

yes, lying is perjury. lying on oath , bozo
perjury is a crime in just about every country of the world
and no i'm not suggesting people in high places should be above the law.
quite the opposite.
an amoeba could tell that is what i was saying. even a brain your size should be able to register that

i was really pointing out the irony and tragedy at how he gets impeached for that. rightly so.
but then bush,cheney and rumsfeld, the mass murdering, lying criminals, walk scott free.
if you can't see the painful ,twisted, sick irony in that, there is no hope for you

[Raider]

[i was really pointing out the irony and tragedy at how he gets impeached for that. rightly so.
but then bush,cheney and rumsfeld, the mass murdering, lying criminals, walk scott free.
if you can't see the painful ,twisted, sick irony in that, there is no hope for you

The only "bozo" here is the one drawing the comparison of a LEGAL and AUTHORIZED war, to that of blatant ILLEGAL act of perjury by a President. A President who FAILED to take out Al Qaeda when he had countless opportunities to do so.

A war is not ILLEGAL just because "Pred" says so, that's just not the way it works.. You, just like many others here are completely oblivious to the FACT that 297 Members in the House and 77 members in the Senate voted YES for the Iraq Resolution that authorized the use of military force against Iraq. Without the Resolution, Bush would of never invaded, he would not of pulled a Obama by acting alone.

So if your going to refer to Bush as a war criminal, you should also refer to the 374 members of congress as war criminals, AND you should be calling for the impeachment of your Boy Obama for ILLEGALLY attacking Libya.

If you really cared about the innocent people who died in these 2 wars, you would be equally outraged for the innocent civilians who died in Libya, or is it more about numbers with you?

Ron Paul.
Forget the party, just think of the man.
He is your only hope of not disappearing down the plughole into the sewer forever.

Now your making sense.

I'd be perfectly happy with a Libertarian over a Dumbocrat any day!

[hawkeye]

A reality check for you Raider -

"Voters blame Bush more than Obama for the economy"
"According to a new Quinnipiac poll, 54 percent of those surveyed say Bush is responsible for the "current condition" of the economy, compared to just 27 percent who blame Obama."

We know, accepting reality and the truth are so hard for the hateful, but for the grounded majority, they are 'what they are'!!!

Deal with it!

[Dale Hubbard]

Bush and Blair must be the most brainless buffoons ever elected to public office. Bush - blatantly befuddled and cretinous, and Blair; a slimy, toadying weasel.

[Raider]

Hypocrisy exposed... Not one person who posted so far in this thread will even acknowledge that what Obama did in Libya was ILLEGAL.

How incredibly intellectually dishonest all of you are, Bltching and complaining for 10 years about how Bush illegally attacked Iraq, Calling him a war criminal and asking for impeachment, But when your boy Obama commits a worse act by acting alone and attacking a foreign county illegally as he sees fit, where innocent civilians have DIED, That's OK in your mind.

I suppose your going to tell us Obama had a obligation to invade Libya, that he couldn't wait for Congress to act, That US intervention was needed to prevent Gaddafi from killing more of his people, right?

Voters blame Bush more than Obama for the economy

Great, maybe you can create a thread on the economy and point us to your cherry picked poll... Who knows, you may get a few "likes" out of it from the same liberal assholes who have the same thought process as you do.

[H2FC]

Raider, El Rushbo, and Fox would have you believe the country blames Obama for the current economy. However, a new poll finds most Americans still think George W. Bush is responsible for the nation's dismal financial state.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1295.xml?ReleaseID=1624

Raider...it looks like you're the underdog again!

[hawkeye]

Hypocrisy exposed...

Exactly!!!

I suppose your going to tell us Obama had a obligation to invade Libya, ..

Get your lunatic right wing hater facts right.. We didn't 'invade' Libya!! NOT ONE US troop landed on or set foot on Libya!!! We (with the approval of the UN) bombed a few installations, and THAT IS IT!! There is/was no invading involved. Good grief. (Typical right wing 'make it worse than it is' spin.)

Of course the obvious in this is that if Obama had done nothing while Gadhafi bombed and killed thousands of innocent people, then you would be screaming 'he did nothing while people died'!! Whatever. Smoke a dube, suppress some of that hate. Maybe even try talking about 'domains' in a domain forum. Others here do.

[Raider]

Exactly!!!Get your lunatic right wing hater facts right.. We didn't 'invade' Libya!! NOT ONE US troop landed on or set foot on Libya!!!

NOT ONE US TROOP huh?

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/oreill...y-ground-libya


Either your a LIAR or your just plain IGNORANT, Being the diehard Obama supporter that you are, I would say your BOTH.

Of course the obvious in this is that if Obama had done nothing while Gadhafi bombed and killed thousands of innocent people, then you would be screaming 'he did nothing while people died'

Here's what I don't understand about you Liberals, you didn't care when Saddam Hussein killed over a Million people, but you care now about the people in Libya. Is it because you like Libyans and you HATE Iraq's and Iranians, is that it?





This is what I'm talking about, the outright Hypocrisy by Liberal jackasses like Hawkeye... They scream about protecting the thousands of innocent people in Libya and at the same time blast Bush for taking out a dictator who committed FAR FAR worse atrocities against his own people.

It's not that Liberals or the Obama drones care about the innocent people of Libya, (they dont!) it's more about finding justification for illegal behavior from a President they BLINDLY support.

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Exactly!!!

You agree your a hypocrite? Their might be some hope for you yet.