NASA debunks Global Warming

[JMJ]

Report indicates solar cycle has been impacting Earth since the Industrial Revolution

Some researchers believe that the solar cycle influences global climate changes. They attribute recent warming trends to cyclic variation. Skeptics, though, argue that there's little hard evidence of a solar hand in recent climate changes.

Now, a new research report from a surprising source may help to lay this skepticism to rest. A study from NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland looking at climate data over the past century has concluded that solar variation has made a significant impact on the Earth's climate. The report concludes that evidence for climate changes based on solar radiation can be traced back as far as the Industrial Revolution.

http://www.dailytech.com/NASA+Study+...ticle15310.htm

[draggar]

I'm sure this cycle is not unlike the cycle that warmed the Earth during the rise of the Roman empire. We've (as "modern" and "civilized" humans) have only been on the earth for what, 10,000-15,000 years? It's also during a warmer period - normally the Earth is a lot cooler - making the mini ice-age in the mid 1800s look like a summer day.

Don't get me wrong - pollution is bad regardless.

[Donald Aquilano]

I'm a little surprised that this came from NASA. Its always been a hive of Global Warming nuts. I bet the MSM never reports it.

[TheLegendaryJP]

If there is money to be made, it's a fact.

I think the " green " shift has certainly helped the economy, imagine one without it.

Is pollution bad, sure, will continuing to use grocery bags kill us all, no. Im all for being friendly to the environment but at some levels it has become money making and influenced by fear and little to no real fact.

I had to laugh when watching the news the other day. Recentl here as well we no longer get plastic bags at the grocery store for free, we must pay 5 cents each. this is supposedly to detour us from using them. Well those bags once used to carry home the products are reused by MOST people to collect other stuff ( like garbage ). I know we use at least 8-10 a week. Now those people not getting bags are BUYING plastci bags off the shelf, win win for the grocery store, local gov. feels good after reacting out of fear and having a sum of zero effect, everyones happy and stupid.

[Dale Hubbard]

Pollution is indeed bad. But the GW issue is something that is extremely cyclical over many thousands/millions of years. The sun is a 'red dwarf'.

Have a look at this to put things into proportion:

http://www.fathom.com/course/10701055/session2.html

[Compassion]

Surprising NASA released some legitimate information, however, they seem to still report half-truths, half-military industrial complex, bankster, corporate propaganda.

Soon from NASA we'll hear about the global cooling trends and the catastrophic potential of our obsolete technologies and the eminent ice age all caused by the plebs of course.

[Raider]

I'm a little surprised that this came from NASA. Its always been a hive of Global Warming nuts. I bet the MSM never reports it.

James Hansen in particular.... I'd like to know how this one got by him, he usually keeps a lid on anything that goes against the Greenhouse theory.

[Dale Hubbard]

There are a few things missing on that graph...

[H2FC]

Here's the article NASA released over a year ago that's resulted in the current misinformation all the skeptic naysayers are apparently excited about...
http://erc.ivv.nasa.gov/topics/solar...riability.html

Here are a few excerpts from the NASA news article...

"For the last 20 to 30 years, we believe greenhouse gases have been the dominant influence on recent climate change," said Robert Cahalan, climatologist at NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md.

"The fluctuations in the solar cycle impacts Earth's global temperature by about 0.1 degree Celsius, slightly hotter during solar maximum and cooler during solar minimum," said Thomas Woods, solar scientist at the University of Colorado in Boulder. "The sun is currently at its minimum, and the next solar maximum is expected in 2012."

Over the past century, Earth's average temperature has increased by approximately 0.6 degrees Celsius (1.1 degrees Fahrenheit). Solar heating accounts for about 0.15 C, or 25 percent, of this change, according to computer modeling results published by NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies researcher David Rind in 2004. Earth's climate depends on the delicate balance between incoming solar radiation, outgoing thermal radiation and the composition of Earth's atmosphere. Even small changes in these parameters can affect climate. Around 30 percent of the solar energy that strikes Earth is reflected back into space. Clouds, atmospheric aerosols, snow, ice, sand, ocean surface and even rooftops play a role in deflecting the incoming rays. The remaining 70 percent of solar energy is absorbed by land, ocean, and atmosphere.

"Greenhouse gases block about 40 percent of outgoing thermal radiation that emanates from Earth," Woods said. The resulting imbalance between incoming solar radiation and outgoing thermal radiation will likely cause Earth to heat up over the next century, accelerating the melting polar ice caps, causing sea levels to rise and increasing the probability of more violent global weather patterns.

Before the Industrial Age, the sun and volcanic eruptions were the major influences on Earth's climate change. Earth warmed and cooled in cycles. Major cool periods were ice ages, with the most recent ending about 11,000 years ago.

"Right now, we are in between major ice ages, in a period that has been called the Holocene,” said Cahalan. “Over recent decades, however, we have moved into a human-dominated climate that some have termed the Anthropocene. The major change in Earth's climate is now really dominated by human activity, which has never happened before."

"Unless we find a way to reduce the amount of greenhouse gases we put into the atmosphere, such as carbon dioxide from fossil fuel burning, the solar influence is not expected to dominate climate change."

Once again the skeptics fail to seek out, recognize, and post the true picture of our real impending climate change disaster if we continue to burn fossil fuels for energy.

[fab]

naysayers

Amen brother!

[000]

"Right now, we are in between major ice ages, in a period that has been called the Holocene,” said Cahalan. “Over recent decades, however, we have moved into a human-dominated climate that some have termed the Anthropocene. The major change in Earth's climate is now really dominated by human activity, which has never happened before."

In other words, if mankind reverts to a pre-industrial carbon footprint then the next major ice age may arrive on schedule for the enjoyment of future generations.

Once again the skeptics fail to seek out, recognize, and post the true picture of our real impending climate change disaster if we continue to burn fossil fuels for energy.

Pew research public priorities Jan 2009 - global warming ranked lowest of 20 US domestic concerns surveyed.

[Raider]

Pew research public priorities Jan 2009 - global warming ranked lowest of 20 US domestic concerns surveyed.

LOL... Nice find.

And I remember when H2FC posted that GW was the most important issue to voters in the 2008 campaign.

[H2FC]

[QUOTE]

In other words, if mankind reverts to a pre-industrial carbon footprint then the next major ice age may arrive on schedule for the enjoyment of future generations.

Yes, this is true. There is nothing I've read that can stop the natural occurrences of climate changes that earth goes through every few hundreds of thousands of years. But that's not the problem we face today.

We can change over to a new clean renewable energy economy and thats what we must do to stop the current day global warming that will lead to disasterous climate change in a relatively short period of time.

Have you ever read this?

God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change,
courage to change the things I can,
and the wisdom to know the difference.

The Serenity Prayer by Reinhold Niebuhr

Pew research public priorities Jan 2009 - global warming ranked lowest of 20 US domestic concerns surveyed.

And therein lies the problem....human nature is such that the average person is content with putting off until tomorrow what should be done today. The price of putting off the change over to a new clean energy economy will prove too disasterous...we cannot afford it.

[Raider]

And therein lies the problem....human nature is such that the average person is content with putting off until tomorrow what should be done today.

This of course has nothing to do with it, Fact is more Americans are beginning to understand that Global Warming is nothing but a Hoax, That all the doom and gloom that's been put out by Al Gore and the Liberal media has been grossly exaggerated.

Now considering how much spoon feeding Gore and the Liberal elite media have dished out over the years, (mostly one sided btw) you would think the concern over Global warming would be at a much higher rate... So why isn't it?.

What this study suggests is that most Americans are not gullible, and the 30% surveyed perhaps are.

[NostraDomainus]

This of course has nothing to do with it, Fact is more Americans are beginning to understand that Global Warming is nothing but a Hoax, That all the doom and gloom that's been put out by Al Gore and the Liberal media has been grossly exaggerated.

Now considering how much spoon feeding Gore and the Liberal elite media have dished out over the years, (mostly one sided btw) you would think the concern over Global warming would be at a much higher rate... So why isn't it?

What this study suggests is that most Americans are not gullible, and the 30% surveyed perhaps are.

LOL @ trying to argue ignorance. Just rich.

When was the last time you visited the Arctic 'Raider'?

...and FYI... a survey of American knowledge and understand of a global issue is by no means a marked indicator of how the world really works. Just take a look @ how belief in self-centered greed worked out for the American financial system despite other countries watching and warning of the self-mutilation and 'excess capitalism' that has tipped the American empire into it's downfall as a global 'leader'. Greed breeds mean deeds. (See the history of Oil Companies for numerous blatant examples.)

FACT is ignorance is NOT bliss - try getting out from the TV and computer screen and go live a life - then you will see what reality is vs. selective spoon-fed biased TV/Internet fooder aimed at the lowest common denominator. Again, go visit the Arctic then come back and tell me how nothing is abnormally changing. (...but of course that won't happen - information, knowledge and reality doesn't fit your ideological construct does it?)

Better yet - go get certified as an expert in your 'field' and put your brain where you mouth is? ...or is education a myth too?

Better yet still - run for Office with the 'platform' you espouse about this flat planet - Then we will see what the people really think. You and Bush can chat over your legacies together.

Thx thou - Laughter is the best medicine.

...as Actions always Speak Louder than Words, regardless of how loud one tries to yell or type.

PS FYI: Ignorance of the Laws of Nature is NOT an excuse for committing Planetcide. Think aboot it. Carpe Peaciem.

PPS: If you do want to check-out GW in the Arctic for yourself, I would be more than happen to escort you there and show you around.

PPPS: PENGUINS RULE!!

[Raider]

LOL @ trying to argue ignorance. Just rich.

When was the last time you visited the Arctic 'Raider'?

You have obviously not followed these threads, I never said Global Warming does not exist, I simply dispute the theory that Man is causing it.

If your one of those who believe C02 drives temperature rather than lagging behind temperature, It is you who is ignorant, not me.

[NostraDomainus]

You have obviously not followed these threads, I never said Global Warming does not exist, I simply dispute the theory that Man is causing it.

If your one of those who believe C02 drives temperature rather than lagging behind temperature, It is you who is ignorant, not me.

I suggest you take your own advice and read my post - as I did not say you do not believe in GW nor more than I did not say anything about it being man-made nor a CO2 thing. (You're defensive Freudian Slip says alot thou.)

Again - When have you gone to the Arctic? ...or anywhere for that matter?

Funny how you keep avoiding answers to proving your own contradiction to reality (as you knowing admitting such a reality Will prove you wrong). Cutting and pasting selective Web links is just gathering information, which anyone can do rightly or wrongly - What Real Life Experience do you Have on these Matters? Please - enlighten us to things you've done vs. just the things you keep repeatedly saying.

What education/certifications/experiences do you have to validate your perspectives?

Thanks again for proving my point - let me know when you would like to visit the Arctic to see how a few geo-specific pockets of greed is ruining life for everyone on the Planet. Until then, such arguments as you make are just Hot Air (which you can debate within yourself as to whether it contributes to GW or not).

[Raider]

Thanks again for proving my point

You proved nothing.

And I don't have to go to the Arctic, I already told you that I DON'T dispute the earth has warmed, what part of that are you not getting?

If you want to stick your head in the sand and believe that temperature follows C02 like Al Gore tells you it does, and that it will lead to a catastophic disaster if we dont do something about it right now, go right ahead.

I believe what the evidence shows, what the ice core records show, and what leading climatetoligists have pointed out for years, not what a couple of dupes tell me on a domain forum.

What education/certifications/experiences do you have to validate your perspectives?

Oh, forgive me for not having my credentials before posting here.

LAMO

[000]

Have you ever read this? "God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference." The Serenity Prayer by Reinhold Niebuhr

Yes, wise words that can prevent quixotic wandering.

The Pew link data shows shrinking public support for "dealing with global warming":
2007 = 38%
2008 = 35%
2009 = 30%
Public support is unlikely to rise before the economy perks up, which may not be any time soon given anti-growth policy trends and erosion of the rule of law. Has the GW lobby staked out a position on the weakening of secured creditor rights and how that can retard the R&D, production and sale of everything including clean energy systems?

And therein lies the problem....human nature is such that the average person is content with putting off until tomorrow what should be done today. The price of putting off the change over to a new clean energy economy will prove too disasterous...we cannot afford it.

A bigger issue than procrastination is the fact that technology and affluence allow millions of able bodied intelligent people to exist in a perpetual state of non-productivity. Many of the loudest voices demanding GW action are the same ones who demonize big business and advocate stiff taxation of risk capital investment. Apparently they believe that seizing and spending other people's money is a smart sustainable model. The millions of advocates, organizers and critics who take blame for nothing and credit for all can improve the world by joining or supporting the goose that lays the golden egg: the hands, brains and wallets that invent, build and operate useful things.

"global warming" google trends

[H2FC]

The millions of advocates, organizers and critics who take blame for nothing and credit for all can improve the world by joining or supporting the goose that lays the golden egg: the hands, brains and wallets that invent, build and operate useful things.

I think the "goose that lays golden eggs" would better serve us all if it would find a better way to prosper than by destroying our one and only planet for temporary self benefit.