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I know the MMGW skeptics will have a field day criticizing this but its one agency thats urgently needed and way overdue in my opinion.
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=9777038
Politicians and diapers need changing often...both for the same reason.
"So officials decided to combine climate operations into a single unit."Originally Posted by H2FC
Thanks for the link H2. It's probably easier to get the message across if they can consolidate all departments. If just a few people at the top are in control, they should find it easier to suppress any false claims.
'Those who stand for nothing fall for anything' - Alexander Hamilton in 1978
Great! Another group of people who's livelihoods depend on them producing figures to support the theory. The day they say anything otherwise, is the day they need to go and find another job to support their families.
'Here guys, here's a bunch of money; now go away and produce those figures we want...'
Impartial, they are not - further proof of conspiracy.
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I have to say Jasdon11 I am surprised to see you on the right side on the global warming issue. There is hope for you yet!!!
Perhaps these people can make themselves useful and help SHOVEL THE SNOW from the many snowstorms storms they are trying so hard to deny exist?
Hey Juniper....long time no see. Who's denying the snowstorms? Surely you're not referring to us MMGW believers? I don't know of any....or heard of any of us denying them......have you?
If they are I'm certainly not one of them. In fact I see the many snowstorms as more evidence of GW....in reality the worlds climates are still warming even when they should be cooling. That alone should prove beyond any doubt GW is real.
Politicians and diapers need changing often...both for the same reason.
Please explain how these snowstorms can be labeled as evidence of global warming. Snowstorms are weather events. Did your climate model predict these storms? Do the mid-Atlantic states face glaciation while the planet warms? Walk us through your rigorous scientific methods, particularly your standards of evidence and proof. If Washington DC experienced record breaking heat and drought this winter, would that be evidence of GW? Are all extreme weather variations evidence of GW, or can you give weather example(s) that would be evidence of global cooling? Please don't talk about CO₂ or big oil, just trying to understand how weather events can be evidence of climate change. Thanks!
You won't get the science detail because the cheerleaders have extreme faith in their mmgw leaders to deal with the detail for them. All you will get from the cheerleaders are the conclusions from their leaders.Please explain how these snowstorms can be labeled as evidence of global warming. Snowstorms are weather events. Did your climate model predict these storms? Do the mid-Atlantic states face glaciation while the planet warms? Walk us through your rigorous scientific methods, particularly your standards of evidence and proof. If Washington DC experienced record breaking heat and drought this winter, would that be evidence of GW? Are all extreme weather variations evidence of GW, or can you give weather example(s) that would be evidence of global cooling? Please don't talk about CO₂ or big oil, just trying to understand how weather events can be evidence of climate change. Thanks!
'Those who stand for nothing fall for anything' - Alexander Hamilton in 1978
Thanks for asking this question. It gives me an oppportunity to talk about peer reviewed scientific information the skeptics won't find from reading their skeptical cartoons and listening/watching their favorite Rush and Glenn Beck mindless self-serving babble.Please explain how these snowstorms can be labeled as evidence of global warming. Snowstorms are weather events. Did your climate model predict these storms? Do the mid-Atlantic states face glaciation while the planet warms? Walk us through your rigorous scientific methods, particularly your standards of evidence and proof. If Washington DC experienced record breaking heat and drought this winter, would that be evidence of GW? Are all extreme weather variations evidence of GW, or can you give weather example(s) that would be evidence of global cooling? Please don't talk about CO₂ or big oil, just trying to understand how weather events can be evidence of climate change. Thanks!
Of course weather and climate are two different events but that doesn't mean one is not influenced by the other. Weather is the short term measurement of whats going on outside your window and climate is the longer term average. Since climate is the longer term average it can and it does effect the short term weather. More rain and more snow is the result of more evaporated surface water which is the result of a warmer climate. As this continues over time it will eventually turn a lush green area into a dry brown area. We see that happening now in many parts of the world.
I know all of this is complicated and hard to believe unless of course its given some thought and study. I also know the average uninformed (vocal) skeptic isn't going to take the necessary time to learn about anything that would prove them wrong. Its not my purpose to educate anyone on this subject, its much too time consuming and complicated for that. The info is all easily found on your pc if you really want to learn about MMGW. I've done my studying and I'm just saying what I believe. The skeptics have that right too....but I know from their questions they really haven't spent much time trying to learn about it. Their purpose is to discredit it with no concern for the facts.
Here's a couple of interesting articles...
Is Snow a Sign of Global Warming?
Don’t confuse weather, climate
Politicians and diapers need changing often...both for the same reason.
Well, there you have it.... a weeek long heat wave or a hot summer is "proof" of Global Warming, but yet a serious of record breaking cold winter storms "don't count".
That's the kind of lunacy you have to buy into if you follow the religion of "Man Made Global Warming".
And oh yes... remember they don't want to look at the "climate" before 100 years ago, because it contains "inconvenient truths" that bust the myth.
Thank you for the obtuse remarks. You stated that specific snowstorms are evidence of global warming. Please explain the rules of associating local weather events with the direction of global climate change. Give hypothetical examples of mid-Atlantic weather events that would indicate:
a) global warming
b) global cooling
c) steady state
Name three.
That's rich when most of these recent threads have been highlighting the lies and disregard for facts and accuracy from the mmgw conspiracy theorists.
I'm sure my "obtuse" way of explaining it to you would be unacceptable and unwelcome so I suggest you do your own homework....that is if you really want to learn the truth.....which I seriously doubt.
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Only in your own mind......and I'll tell you just like I told the other uninformed skeptic......Do you own homework....don't look for me to do it for you.
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I saved this for you Juniper....you like movies don't you? Click on the video.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_456945.html
Politicians and diapers need changing often...both for the same reason.
Pathetic.
What a juvenile way to respond.
Quit making false claims off the top of your head - it would've taken you less time to just name three places than it would to make the reply you did - if you hadn't just made it up that is.
Funny... so are you Global Warmers now going to RETRACT all of statements that the DROUGHT was proof of Global Warming, since this video claims that GW ADDS moisture to the air?
Or are you going with the "everything that can possibly happen is proof of manmade global warming"?
How's that "global warming snow" stacking up, BTW? I heard most of the East Coast is shut down....
Just be thankful the whole eastern seaboard isn't underwater now as it could very likely be in a few years if our energy production biz continues as usual.No, but we will probably have to explain to you and other less informed skeptics that it doesn't rain or snow in every area everyday. There are drought areas and there are wet areas and the fact that GW adds moisture to the air is not likely to change that.
Well....not everything but MMGW does really screw up the climate and the weather.Or are you going with the "everything that can possibly happen is proof of manmade global warming"?
How's that "global warming snow" stacking up, BTW? I heard most of the East Coast is shut down....
Politicians and diapers need changing often...both for the same reason.
Your the one making the claim remember? I would be nice that once in a while you man-up and answer for the bullsh*t you post on this forum.
The fact you refuse to answer ridiculous claims like this is more evidence you dont know what the **** your talking about.
Please vote Republican in 2012, America can not sustain another 4 years
of Liberal policies that are fiscally and socially destroying the country..
Based on what exactly?
H2FC has got it right, we had 60 degree in jan here in PA that is not very normal.
The fact is I had got frost bite when I was 18 year old, it was 12 below with out the wind chill now that is cold. We don't see that anymore and in deer season back then, it was cold and snowing before it started but not so much anymore.
I'm 45 years old and know the weather and farmers that have to know the weather, and we do know global warming is true and it's been warming more and more. H2FC is right warmer weather puts more water into clouds, and that makes it rain or snow more and much faster.
Flooding and record snow fall is from that, while we hit 8 degrees 2 nights here in PA, that not all that cold for here and it's one of the warmest jan we had. If you look at most of the warming it is the nights that are warming the most, and this year we had some pretty big swings, from high temps to low temps at times 30 degree difference in a short time. We also had up to 5 inches of snow fall per hours at places here, we got 24 inches of snow but 5 inches per hour is like flooding snow.
But really I find it pretty odd people that research all kinds of stuff online, and are smart but yet talk like they don't get global warming at all. But that their right and I'm guessing it's because they don't want a carbon tax, that will cost us all a lot of money. Now I can get behind them on that I'm for no carbon tax, the real problem is so many of the people yelling about global warming.
Are behind a carbon tax and other stuff that will hurt the market, they may want to rethink that and work to help the market go green it's self. And they need to remember we are limited in what we can do, as other country's may well not work with us, but if they see there a good green market behind it the chances are much better they will.
Tim S.
You might want to dwell on that for a while.
From what else you're saying - it's too warm but snowing a lot?? In PA.
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