New Zealand’s NIWA accused of CRU-style temperature faking

[JMJ]

The New Zealand Government’s chief climate advisory unit NIWA is under fire for allegedly massaging raw climate data to show a global warming trend that wasn’t there.

The scandal breaks as fears grow worldwide that corruption of climate science is not confined to just Britain’s CRU climate research centre.

In New Zealand’s case, the figures published on NIWA’s [the National Institute of Water and Atmospheric research] website suggest a strong warming trend in New Zealand over the past century:



The caption to the photo on the NiWA site reads:

From NIWA’s web site — Figure 7: Mean annual temperature over New Zealand, from 1853 to 2008 inclusive, based on between 2 (from 1853) and 7 (from 1908) long-term station records. The blue and red bars show annual differences from the 1971 – 2000 average, the solid black line is a smoothed time series, and the dotted [straight] line is the linear trend over 1909 to 2008 (0.92°C/100 years).

But analysis of the raw climate data from the same temperature stations has just turned up a very different result:



Gone is the relentless rising temperature trend, and instead there appears to have been a much smaller growth in warming, consistent with the warming up of the planet after the end of the Little Ice Age in 1850.

The revelations are published today in a news alert from The Climate Science Coalition of NZ:

Straight away you can see there’s no slope—either up or down. The temperatures are remarkably constant way back to the 1850s. Of course, the temperature still varies from year to year, but the trend stays level—statistically insignificant at 0.06°C per century since 1850.

Putting these two graphs side by side, you can see huge differences. What is going on?

Why does NIWA’s graph show strong warming, but graphing their own raw data looks completely different? Their graph shows warming, but the actual temperature readings show none whatsoever!

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/2...ne/#more-13215

[draggar]

Too bad we can't compare when temperatures were a lot warmer - like during the Roman Empire and, for a time, Vikings were growing crops in Greenland.

Can't blame pollution for that one!

Most of these "experts" also fail to let people know that even though they start the temperatures around 1850 - they NEVER mention that the world was in a mini ice age during that time.

[JuniperPark]

Interesting new article:

My Top 10 Annoyances in the Climate Change Debate

http://www.drroyspencer.com/2009/11/...change-debate/

[H2FC]

Here's some serious (and real) news on the MMGW front......

CO2 Emissions Continue Significant Climb

The annual rate of increase in carbon dioxide emissions from fossil fuels has more than tripled in this decade, compared to the 1990s, reports an international consortium of scientists, who paint a bleak picture of the Earth's future unless "CO2 emissions [are] drastically reduced." ....>>>>> http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/172373.php

I know this means nothing to the skeptics who believe more co2 is great for our world and all living things in it.....but for those of us who know better; the ones who understand the co2 greenhouse effect, this is very bad news.

[JMJ]

Here's some serious (and real) news on the MMGW front......

CO2 Emissions Continue Significant Climb

The annual rate of increase in carbon dioxide emissions from fossil fuels has more than tripled in this decade, compared to the 1990s, reports an international consortium of scientists, who paint a bleak picture of the Earth's future unless "CO2 emissions [are] drastically reduced." ....>>>>> http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/172373.php

I know this means nothing to the skeptics who believe more co2 is great for our world and all living things in it.....but for those of us who know better; the ones who understand the co2 greenhouse effect, this is very bad news.

Yeah the scammers have been working overtime to trying and scare the sheep since they were exposed n their deception. A few weeks ago the trip to Copenhagen was off for Obama. 2 days after the release he's on his way to sign the deal. He'll be signing his impeachment along with it.

[katherine]

Phew I feel relieved now. We can carry on polluting and wrecking the planet.
I mean, it's like the national debt. You just pass the buck on to your heirs so why behave responsibly or even bother.

[JMJ]

Phew I feel relieved now. We can carry on polluting and wrecking the planet.
I mean, it's like the national debt. You just pass the buck on to your heirs so why behave responsibly or even bother.

Don't worry the national debt issue will be resolved once the Fed is audited which is another big fraud perpetrated by the same group.

[JuniperPark]

Here's some serious (and real) news on the MMGW front......

CO2 Emissions Continue Significant Climb

The annual rate of increase in carbon dioxide emissions from fossil fuels has more than tripled in this decade, compared to the 1990s, reports an international consortium of scientists, who paint a bleak picture of the Earth's future unless "CO2 emissions [are] drastically reduced." ....>>>>> http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/172373.php

I know this means nothing to the skeptics who believe more co2 is great for our world and all living things in it.....but for those of us who know better; the ones who understand the co2 greenhouse effect, this is very bad news.

I've you've got proof that CO2 is not ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL to all plant life -- which is critical to HUMAN life -- then please post it.

Otherwise, you're just perpetuation the scam.

[H2FC]

I've you've got proof that CO2 is not ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL to all plant life -- which is critical to HUMAN life -- then please post it.

Otherwise, you're just perpetuation the scam.

Of course we all know co2 is necessary for plant life.....But enough is enough.....and too much is too much....get it?

Its not a case of the more the better. Its kinda like water....plants need water in the right amount but too much will drown them....unless of course they are underwater plants. (I just wanted to add that before one of the skeptics pointed it out). Haha

Our bodies expell co2 and too much in the human body will kill you.

Here's a little info on co2 for you...all the skeptics out there who don't understand or want to understand the greenhouse effect should study it a little because thats what the problem is all about...thats what causing our temperatures to rise and thats what gonna cost us a bundle to control.

Too much carbon dioxide and too few trees

by Steven Strauss

Nature provides its own greenhouse effect, which makes life on planet earth possible. But human activity is intensifying that effect dangerously.

Carbon dioxide in the atmosphere permits the heat rays of the sun to pass through it as the rays approach the earth’s surface, but does not permit the reverse passage as the rays are reflected back. The heat thus becomes trapped.

As more carbon dioxide fills the atmosphere, more heat is trapped. The temperatures of oceans, land masses, and ice caps rise. Warmer oceans evaporate more water into the air, leading to more powerful storms.

Warmer land masses breed more insects, leading to an increase in mosquito-borne diseases, such as malaria, dengue fever, and West Nile virus. Warmer ice caps break apart, destroying traditional fishing sites and livelihoods and threatening the survival of polar life.

Three-fourths of greenhouse CO2 comes from the industrial and automobile consumption of oil and coal.

But nature also has a built-in protector against a too-strong greenhouse effect: plant life is a natural sponge for atmospheric carbon dioxide. In the process of photosynthesis, trees take in CO2 and give off oxygen. Yet forests are being cleared around the world at the rate of one acre per second. Deforestation accounts for about 25 percent of the greenhouse CO2.

The leading perpetrators are the giant timber and beef industries. The latter is responsible for most of the Amazon deforestation, as land is cleared for cattle ranching. In 2004 alone, more than 10,000 square miles of the Amazon were cleared.

Climatologists estimate that since the start of the industrial revolution the earth’s average temperature has risen about 3.6 degrees Fahrenheit. The United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has projected a 10.4-degree spike by the year 2100, an assessment regarded as far too conservative by many scientists.

Climatology models predict that a 1.8-degree rise in temperature could lower corn, rice, and wheat yields by 10 percent.

Thus, a relatively recent quantitative increase in the atmospheric tonnage of CO2 has led to a qualitative change in the overall life of the planet.

This is a dramatic negative demonstration of the power of the economic productive forces that have evolved in human society.
__________________________________________________ ____________

I will add that its estimated about 90 million tons of greenhouse gas (most of which is co2) is dumped into out atmosphere each day by the burning of fossil fuels for energy.

Anybody who thinks this is OK.....please raise your hand.

[Gerry]

Phew I feel relieved now. We can carry on polluting and wrecking the planet.

My sentiments exactly.

Air, water, and ground pollution is fact, not fiction. If people don't want to believe what others are saying, at least believe what you are seeing. Look all around you at the trash and filth surrounding us. Its as if we have used the earth for a cesspool. Amazingly, I feel like its the 1960 all over again when the Save Mother Earth campaigns were going, the Indian Chief shedding a tear on camera, and special postage stamps were being released.

Its a damn shame 50 years later we need to sing those same tunes and remind everyone.

Me, I live on 6.5 acres fronted by two heavily traveled roads. My wife and I picked up trash one day on our property line. Trash that was not ours filled up 13 55 gallon contractor bags, along with one aluminum frame storm door and two old tires. All within 6 months of having done it a previous time.

Global warming - hoax or not. You don't need someone else to tell you to be a responsible global citizen. At least, I don't need someone to tell me.

So don't worry. There will always be someone like us to pick up the trash. Not that we want to but because we we're tired of looking at it.

[000]

Of course we all know co2 is necessary for plant life.....Three-fourths of greenhouse CO2 comes from the industrial and automobile consumption of oil and coal.... Deforestation accounts for about 25 percent of the greenhouse CO2...

Thanks for the info, I didn't realize that human activity produced 100% of greenhouse CO₂. How would plants survive without big oil and big chainsaw?

[JuniperPark]

Of course we all know co2 is necessary for plant life.....But enough is enough.....and too much is too much....get it?

Its not a case of the more the better. Its kinda like water....plants need water in the right amount but too much will drown them....unless of course they are underwater plants. (I just wanted to add that before one of the skeptics pointed it out). Haha

Our bodies expell co2 and too much in the human body will kill you.

Here's a little info on co2 for you...all the skeptics out there who don't understand or want to understand the greenhouse effect should study it a little because thats what the problem is all about...thats what causing our temperatures to rise and thats what gonna cost us a bundle to control.

Too much carbon dioxide and too few trees

by Steven Strauss

Nature provides its own greenhouse effect, which makes life on planet earth possible. But human activity is intensifying that effect dangerously.

Carbon dioxide in the atmosphere permits the heat rays of the sun to pass through it as the rays approach the earth’s surface, but does not permit the reverse passage as the rays are reflected back. The heat thus becomes trapped.

As more carbon dioxide fills the atmosphere, more heat is trapped. The temperatures of oceans, land masses, and ice caps rise. Warmer oceans evaporate more water into the air, leading to more powerful storms.

Warmer land masses breed more insects, leading to an increase in mosquito-borne diseases, such as malaria, dengue fever, and West Nile virus. Warmer ice caps break apart, destroying traditional fishing sites and livelihoods and threatening the survival of polar life.

Three-fourths of greenhouse CO2 comes from the industrial and automobile consumption of oil and coal.

But nature also has a built-in protector against a too-strong greenhouse effect: plant life is a natural sponge for atmospheric carbon dioxide. In the process of photosynthesis, trees take in CO2 and give off oxygen. Yet forests are being cleared around the world at the rate of one acre per second. Deforestation accounts for about 25 percent of the greenhouse CO2.

The leading perpetrators are the giant timber and beef industries. The latter is responsible for most of the Amazon deforestation, as land is cleared for cattle ranching. In 2004 alone, more than 10,000 square miles of the Amazon were cleared.

Climatologists estimate that since the start of the industrial revolution the earth’s average temperature has risen about 3.6 degrees Fahrenheit. The United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has projected a 10.4-degree spike by the year 2100, an assessment regarded as far too conservative by many scientists.

Climatology models predict that a 1.8-degree rise in temperature could lower corn, rice, and wheat yields by 10 percent.

Thus, a relatively recent quantitative increase in the atmospheric tonnage of CO2 has led to a qualitative change in the overall life of the planet.

This is a dramatic negative demonstration of the power of the economic productive forces that have evolved in human society.
__________________________________________________ ____________

I will add that its estimated about 90 million tons of greenhouse gas (most of which is co2) is dumped into out atmosphere each day by the burning of fossil fuels for energy.

Anybody who thinks this is OK.....please raise your hand.

Complete and utter NONSENSE.

How do we know this is nonsense? Because CO2 levels have been higher 5 times in the centuries past, and what happened? Forests GREW.

The author of this article chose to ignore the vast history of the earth BEFORE the industrial revolution, because it would shoot his pre-determined conclusion right out of the water.

This is called 'cherry picking' the data... or as Gore would say, "an inconvenient truth".

[keyser]

Complete and utter NONSENSE.
How do we know this is nonsense? Because CO2 levels have been higher 5 times in the centuries past, and what happened? Forests GREW.

Deforestation is clearing Earth's forests on a massive scale, often resulting in damage to the quality of the land. Forests still cover about 30 percent of the world’s land area, but swaths the size of Panama are lost each and every year.

The world’s rain forests could completely vanish in a hundred years at the current rate of deforestation.

Forests are cut down for many reasons, but most of them are related to money or to people’s need to provide for their families.The biggest driver of deforestation is agriculture. Farmers cut forests to provide more room for planting crops or grazing livestock. Often many small farmers will each clear a few acres to feed their families by cutting down trees and burning them in a process known as “slash and burn” agriculture.
http://environment.nationalgeographi...-overview.html

[H2FC]

Thanks for the info, I didn't realize that human activity produced 100% of greenhouse CO₂. How would plants survive without big oil and big chainsaw?

The co2 absorbed by plants isn't greenhouse co2. Greenhouse co2 is the co2 that collects in the atmosphere that blankets the earth and as a result causes heat to be trapped, thus causing GW and climate change.

The problem is the burning of fossil fuels and other human activities unlocks so much co2 the plants and oceans are unable to naturally absorb all of it so the excess accumulates in the atmosphere. That excess along with a few other GH gases is about 90 millions tons per day.....everyday. Its a never ending cycle until big changes are made. And thats what I advocate.

[jasdon11]

The co2 absorbed by plants isn't greenhouse co2. Greenhouse co2 is the co2 that collects in the atmosphere that blankets the earth and as a result causes heat to be trapped, thus causing GW and climate change.

The problem is the burning of fossil fuels and other human activities unlocks so much co2 the plants and oceans are unable to naturally absorb all of it so the excess accumulates in the atmosphere. That excess along with a few other GH gases is about 90 millions tons per day.....everyday. Its a never ending cycle until big changes are made. And thats what I advocate.

90 million tonnes per day - that's 15kg for every living person on earth, per day - 33lbs - that'd be 200lbs per day for me and my family; I'm calling BS on that one....

What does even 1lb of this stuff look like? Ever seen any? If these guys can weigh it they must be able to show what it looks like, right?

[000]

The co2 absorbed by plants isn't greenhouse co2. Greenhouse co2 is the co2 that collects in the atmosphere that blankets the earth and as a result causes heat to be trapped, thus causing GW and climate change...

OK, I'm following you, we have 2 types of CO₂: "greenhouse" and "non-greenhouse". You established in post #9 that human activity accounts for 100% of "greenhouse" CO₂. Earth atmospheric CO₂ concentration is presently ~388 ppmv. Is the 388 ppmv entirely "greenhouse", since by your definition it is not locked up in plants, or is some fraction of the 388 ppmv "non-greenhouse"? If some fraction is "non-greenhouse", please rectify that with the 100% manmade claim in post #9. What is the ideal CO₂ concentration in Earth's atmosphere?

Half a billion years ago atmospheric CO₂ concentrations were 20 times greater than they are today. Was that ancient CO₂ "greenhouse", "non-greenhouse" or a mix? If a portion was "greenhouse", has "greenhouse" CO₂ persisted since then? At what point did "greenhouse" CO₂ become 100% manmade?

Thanks!

[JMJ]

My sentiments exactly.

Air, water, and ground pollution is fact, not fiction. If people don't want to believe what others are saying, at least believe what you are seeing. Look all around you at the trash and filth surrounding us. Its as if we have used the earth for a cesspool. Amazingly, I feel like its the 1960 all over again when the Save Mother Earth campaigns were going, the Indian Chief shedding a tear on camera, and special postage stamps were being released.

Its a damn shame 50 years later we need to sing those same tunes and remind everyone.

Me, I live on 6.5 acres fronted by two heavily traveled roads. My wife and I picked up trash one day on our property line. Trash that was not ours filled up 13 55 gallon contractor bags, along with one aluminum frame storm door and two old tires. All within 6 months of having done it a previous time.

Global warming - hoax or not. You don't need someone else to tell you to be a responsible global citizen. At least, I don't need someone to tell me.

So don't worry. There will always be someone like us to pick up the trash. Not that we want to but because we we're tired of looking at it.

And paying a carbon tax on breathing to Blood And Gore is going to fix that how?

[Gerry]

It has always amazed me as to how much time and money has been spent on abortion and gun control over the decades. Those that support either side (pro or con) are rabid in their beliefs and commit acts of violence and murder to make their point.

Is global warming going to become the new abortion and gun control fight?

I think so.

More money, time, energy, and lobbying for each side to push their agenda.

Meanwhile...

are any of you aware that 1 out of 6 people in the US goes hungry on a daily basis?
are you aware that the United States, being the largest food producer, wastes (disposes, destroys, throws away) 40% of what it produces?

Put your efforts and energy and concern to real and practical use.

Go stand in the serving line of a food/soup kitchen feeding the homeless and the hungry.

Do something concrete and real with your own bare hands knowing that you made a real contribution to betterment.

[JMJ]

It has always amazed me as to how much time and money has been spent on abortion and gun control over the decades. Those that support either side (pro or con) are rabid in their beliefs and commit acts of violence and murder to make their point.

Is global warming going to become the new abortion and gun control fight?

I think so.

More money, time, energy, and lobbying for each side to push their agenda.

Meanwhile...

are any of you aware that 1 out of 6 people in the US goes hungry on a daily basis?
are you aware that the United States, being the largest food producer, wastes (disposes, destroys, throws away) 40% of what it produces?

Put your efforts and energy and concern to real and practical use.

Go stand in the serving line of a food/soup kitchen feeding the homeless and the hungry.

Do something concrete and real with your own bare hands knowing that you made a real contribution to betterment.

And paying a carbon tax on breathing to Blood And Gore is going to fix that how?

[Gerry]

At what point did "greenhouse" CO₂ become 100% manmade?

When man coined the term "greenhouse gases" to raise awareness of flourocarbons in products we use regularly and carelessley.

When man started talking about the ozone layer and the "hole".

As for when the actual involvement of man contributing to the CO2 production, there have been some fascinating studies done on correlations to CO2 production paralleling the Industrial Revolution beginning in London and continental Europe.