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**Poker** · 02-25-2008, 11:48 AM

Clinton could make herself look like a star democrat by bowing out gracefully right now and serving it up with a strong selfless speech, but I seriously doubt she will...

As far as McCain is concerned, somehow it's difficult to get excited about someone promising "less jobs and more wars".

**kylewill** · 02-25-2008, 11:49 AM

Politicians be humble?

LOLOZLZOL!

**MobileDesigner** · 02-26-2008, 09:02 AM

hmmmmmm.

Does this mean what he is going to change? Is this the hint of what he means of "change"?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23337141/?GT1=10856

Also read that he did NOT put his hand on his heart during the "National Anthem"...

Being a veteran of war, this does not want me to support his meaning of "changing America"....

FOX News

TIME Magazine

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/anthem.asp

yea, what the hell........!?

**JMJ** · 02-26-2008, 09:35 AM

The National Anthem and the Pledge of Allegiance are two very different things.

**seanboy** · 02-26-2008, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by MobileDesigner

hmmmmmm.

Does this mean what he is going to change? Is this the hint of what he means of "change"?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23337141/?GT1=10856

Also read that he did NOT put his hand on his heart during the "National Anthem"...

Being a veteran of war, this does not want me to support his meaning of "changing America"....

FOX News

TIME Magazine

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/anthem.asp

yea, what the hell........!?

You've got some really strong arguments there. Just throw in that bit about his middle name, and you're all set. [/sarcasm]

**Seraphim** · 02-26-2008, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by seanboy

You've got some really strong arguments there. Just throw in that bit about his middle name, and you're all set. [/sarcasm]

Sean, I see that you're in Ohio. Do the polls in the media seem to reflect things on the ground?

**tas38** · 02-26-2008, 02:32 PM

( Clinton could make herself look like a star democrat by bowing out gracefully right now and serving it up with a strong selfless speech, but I seriously doubt she will... )

Why in the world would clinton get out, because the republicans tell her it's time. Last count she can still win the run easy, it is not the same as huckabe not having any chance to win at all.

Yes I know the republicans fear clinton much more the BO, clinton can fight better then mccain, they are hoping BO wins it so they can easy bring him down. As he never took on big republican attacks, and will likely fall to them very fast but clinton will not fall at all.

Poker are you saying clinton, can not get over 100 more dells over BO at all. They was left speechless, after clinton poked fun at BO the new wonder of the world. She told the truth, do people really think the sky will open up and everyone will come together, and big biz will just go away. A fairy tale if there ever was one, you have to fight them not make great speechs.

Just like most people don't even know, what BO is talking about when he says change. It's like the blind leading the blind, we don't care what kind of change we only know we want some of that change. I'm ok with BO winning it, but please lets take a real look at his history first. And stop acting like he is the newest wonder of the world, all he done so far is make great speechs.

And lets let the system pick the winner, not let republicans say when a dem to drop out. Clinton can still win this race, and her change in speech may well wake voters up and do just that for her. Saying change 1600 times in one speech (yes they counted it), is not telling us what he is about is it. If BO was not colored and them putting pressure put on clionton from day one, to not play him like any other runner. May be just may be we would know what he really stands for, he is the first colored but she is the first women as well.

So we need to let them fight this out, like normal politics work them selfs out in any race. He is in the race for the white house, do people really think they will stop the republicans from attacking him. We need to let this work it's self out, as any other political race is worked out. BO been giving a free pass so far, lets do him like anyone else running.

**JMJ** · 02-26-2008, 02:44 PM

Actually republicans wish for Clinton to win the nomination. It's Obama they fear running against McCain. Thats why McCain camp is acting as if Obama has already won and attacking him now. I'm sure the hopes are that they can assist Clinton in making Obama look bad and getting her the nomination.

**Devil Dog** · 02-26-2008, 02:46 PM

Colored?

What is this, 1965?

**seanboy** · 02-26-2008, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Seraphim

Sean, I see that you're in Ohio. Do the polls in the media seem to reflect things on the ground?

Honestly, I have yet to come across any Clinton supporters.

**kylewill** · 02-26-2008, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by seanboy

Honestly, I have yet to come across any Clinton supporters.

They have yet to hatch from their pods.

**tas38** · 02-26-2008, 04:57 PM

( What is this, 1965? )

No of course not and as I said, I'm ok with BO winning but the clinton camp has been made to fear, going after BO by the news and the same ones. That attacked anyone that says anything off, clinton is just now attacking BO like she should of from day one. Clinton has nothing to lose now, and has started bring out this fairy tale race BO has been running, bill clinton got attacked hard when he bring it up if you remember.

If BO is to really win this, then he needs to take the attacks like anyone else. Saying change 1600 time in one speech, leaves one wondering what people are thinking. Clinton is less then 100 dells behind BO, that is far from losing the race and she can still win easy. But yet the republicans keep saying stuff like she done for, she needs to drop out right now.

I seen the look on theirs faces on the news, when they heard clinton speech mocking BO. Silly change like a fairy tales speeches, they know it was classic clinton that can win. Many republicans voted for BO to hurt clinton, that is very telling and I'm not buying they want BO to take mccain. I'm not as dumb as they think most people are, I'm still a republican and know mostly republicans.

**Seraphim** · 02-26-2008, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by tas38

( What is this, 1965? )

No of course not and as I said, I'm ok with BO winning but the clinton camp has been made to fear, going after BO by the news and the same ones. That attacked anyone that says anything off, clinton is just now attacking BO like she should of from day one. Clinton has nothing to lose now, and has started bring out this fairy tale race BO has been running, bill clinton got attacked hard when he bring it up if you remember.

If BO is to really win this, then he needs to take the attacks like anyone else. Saying change 1600 time in one speech, leaves one wondering what people are thinking. Clinton is less then 100 dells behind BO, that is far from losing the race and she can still win easy. But yet the republicans keep saying stuff like she done for, she needs to drop out right now.

I seen the look on theirs faces on the news, when they heard clinton speech mocking BO. Silly change like a fairy tales speeches, they know it was classic clinton that can win. Many republicans voted for BO to hurt clinton, that is very telling and I'm not buying they want BO to take mccain. I'm not as dumb as they think most people are, I'm still a republican and know mostly republicans.

**seanboy** · 02-26-2008, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by tas38

May be just may be we would know what he really stands for, he is the first colored but she is the first women as well.

Seriously, what decade are you from?

"Colored?"

Really?

**kylewill** · 02-26-2008, 05:17 PM

hhahahahah @ colored.

thats awesome! I just got a history lesson on dnforum.

**seanboy** · 02-26-2008, 05:29 PM

If anything, tonight's debate should be entertaining. This is Hillary "not going down without a fight."

Get your popcorn ready folks

**Seraphim** · 02-26-2008, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by seanboy

If anything, tonight's debate should be entertaining. This is Hillary "not going down without a fight."

Get your popcorn ready folks

Yeah, going to be interesting for sure! Unfortunately I'm overseas right now, and can only listen in on C-Span.

**MobileDesigner** · 02-26-2008, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Seraphim

Yeah, going to be interesting for sure! Unfortunately I'm overseas right now, and can only listen in on C-Span.

I know your feeling. cant get much news on the campaign. we only get highlights on CNN international. So what i recently got was what i posted above.

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Originally Posted by seanboy

You've got some really strong arguments there. Just throw in that bit about his middle name, and you're all set. [/sarcasm]

Just heard that one too!

I wonder what will change when obama means "change"?

perhaps he may change "too much".

american has been well-seasoned in what it is today. bad or good. throwing a new guy in the position as president and commander in chief and he may be making too many mistakes. Obama's wife recently patriotic!? what the hell is that about!?

And what was said above about republicans voting for hillary, yea, i'd do that.

(not intended to insult anyone. this is all the news i have here)

**Poker** · 02-26-2008, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MobileDesigner

american has been well-seasoned in what it is today. bad or good. throwing a new guy in the position as president and commander in chief and he may be making too many mistakes.

Hope your not one of those people that think the current admin has done a great job.

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Originally Posted by MobileDesigner

Obama's wife recently patriotic!? what the hell is that about!?

Same as always, it's about taking someones words out of context in an attempt to support their own agenda.

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Originally Posted by MobileDesigner

And what was said above about republicans voting for hillary, yea, i'd do that.

...and take responsibilty for your vote when she does somthing you don't like?

cursal · 02-26-2008, 09:31 PM

Candidates get ready to rumble in Ohio
Live MSNBC debate tonight may be last chance to slow Obama's momentum