Obama Health Care has Lost, 26 states is the majority or the USA

[Raider]

One immigrant who doesn't like other immigrants. Or telling other members from other countries that they should not have an opinion of the US, the should not talk bad about the US, or disinviting them to leave or not come to the US.

Oh, the irony...

If you don't like it, leave.
If you don't like it, don't come

Sounds like someone needs to take a little bit of their own medicine.


I am in total awe of the lack of education Mother Eva has on the subject of what health care in Canada is like and what is the state of the US health care.

I work with and have worked with hundreds of health care workers from Canada. They did not leave Canada because health care is bad. The reasons range from wanting to travel, marriage, education opportunities, or the pay is better. NEVER ONCE have I heard any one speak ill of the Canadian healthcare system

And now this same idiot is arguing with Canadians about their health care system.


Take your own medicine, BlTCH! You say they (Canadian members) have no right to butt-in or interfere with US based discussions or criticize US policy...yet you have proclaimed that you have the right to criticize and butt-in on discussions centered around what goes on in Canada?

You are truly a marvel of diplomacy and detente.

At every stroke of the keyboard, you make yourself constantly appear as the Fool's Fool.

More outright LIES from a guy who made a COMPLETE FOOL out of himself.... You think your pals from the North don't see through your bullsh*t?

He doesn't even believe it, This is just Doc's way of detracting from the fact he was WRONG... REALLY WRONG, And Doc HATES to be WRONG.

He say's he draws a paycheck but has shown he doesn't know what's on it,

With all the time this moron spends on the Forums, I doubt he even has a job where he draws a paycheck.

Claims to draw a paycheck but DOESN'T know what deductions are taken out.. And he's almost 60 years old and claims to have a degree... A degree from the "School of Stupid"? It looks that way.

He makes an asinine assumption and runs with it, because he's SO desperate to prove the Right wrong... When in the end, it was HE who proved himself WRONG..

It's Americans like Doc who make the rest of us look stupid.


Now make no mistake about.. Things are going to heat up even more.

Doc just HATES to LOSE.


OK DOC... GO!

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I work with and have worked with hundreds of health care workers from Canada.

Should we Read this carefully as we did the other one?

[RobM]

I think the fool is somebody trying to tell the Canadians something about their *own* country that is clearly wrong or untrue. At that point I would've been too embarassed to continue making myself look more stupid but, kudos to you for perseverance, clearly you are happy to have everyone laugh at your stupidity. The mind boggles. Thankfully people like you rarely make it out of your own country and the rest of the grown-ups don't have to deal with you beyond this forum. It's not americans like doc that make *you* look stupid - it's people like you that make *americans* look stupid. Now run along and have your little tantrums while the adults have a sensible discussion.

[ilovedomains]

All I know is from what I read in the left wing newspapers and Canada's Goverment web sites... If your suggesting their publishing LIES.. I won't argue with you about it.

Well your "proof" is right wing propaganda, written by an American and aired on American TV.
It is neither Canadian or left wing, and since I showed you the official Canadian tax site (where Canadians go to do their taxes), its obviously another lie.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/...tml?cmp=EM8705


All you proved (again) is the US health insurance industry tells you horrible lies about Canadian health care.

It's not americans like doc that make *you* look stupid - it's people like you that make *americans* look stupid.

If all Americans were like Raider, I wouldn waste my time. Im going to all this trouble to show other Americans here how badly they are being brainwashed and lied to.

[Adam Dicker]

I figured I would give my opinion on our health care system in Canada since it is being discussed.

From what I have seen the system is ok but has it's issues like any other system. The biggest issue is people going to emergency rooms for non emergency issues. Personally I feel if we charged people that came in that were not emergencies, the system would get better. People simply take advantage of the system.

Waiting times depend on severity and usually people that need attention fast are given a priority.

With current health care you get the 4 people per room semi private and private are usually available for a fee.

Personally I pay an extra $500 a month for my family to be covered for medical and dental benefits that the health care system does not provide.

If you are over 65, most of your prescriptions are paid for by the government.

Overall, I am was happy with our health care system as I watched my father fight and lose a 5 year battle with Lymphoma.

He was always treated well and had many treatments that probably extended his life probably 3 years.

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[Gerry]

The biggest issue is people going to emergency rooms for non emergency issues.

Clearly the number one issue here in the US healthcare system. WHY? Because people do not have insurance. They do not have insurance to have a family doctor or see a practitioner. They can not go to clinics or primary care because they do not have insurance and they can not pay the copay up front. However, they know they can go to a public hospital and know they can not be turned away. Cold, Hangnail, Lightbulb stuck up their ass (xray was superb)...the point is no matter what ails them they know that when they walk in that hospitals ER door they are going to get treated, seen, cared for, medicine, and everything else including a room because any hospital that receives any federal funds at all (aka, medicare and medicaid payments) can not refuse service. I have seen one of our ER's with 85 beds occupied with 150 people and an additional 250+ in the waiting room with the flu. The flu! Sniffles, sore throat...everything that can and could have been dealt with at a doctor's office or primary care was sitting in our hospital because they knew we could not turn them away. Those are resources that were tied up dealing with the common everyday things that did not need to be there. But they use the ER as their personal care physician.

The real kick in the balls is we (taxpayers and people subjected to payroll taxes) are already paying for national healthcare and have for decades. For decades we have had to foot the bill for indigent people or people with no insurance or default on their bills.

We already have national healthcare. I am paying for it. Not one person in this country needs to have insurance because I am going to pay for their care.

We already have government healthcare and the US Government has been involved in healthcare for decades. The medical system that treats soldiers, congresspeople, veterans and even the president of the US is Government healthcare.

Don't you think that if it is good enough for your senator who gets government run healthcare that it is good enough for you?

It makes no sense. And there is no sense to the debate. It is simply one side disagreeing with the other because they are supposed to disagree with each other.

In the meantime, we still have government healthcare, we still subsidize government healthcare, and I still have mediciad/medicare payroll deduction on my paycheck to pay for all of those who have no insurance.


So, the argument is...

the federal government can not force someone to buy health insurance but the federal government forces me to pay for other peoples' healthcare via payroll deduction.

I can not opt out of it, I can not decline it, I can not protest it. If I work and have taxes withheld, that is one of the taxes I pay...other people's healthcare.



People don't even know what the F'ck they are arguing about. They are just taking sides. Meanwhile, I've got you covered...

[ilovedomains]

Overall, I am was happy with our health care system as I watched my father fight and lose a 5 year battle with Lymphoma.

He was always treated well and had many treatments that probably extended his life probably 3 years.

These health care horror stories were all written years ago. Raiders last link is 5 years old. The fake email is 4 years old.

Ever since the US Health reform bill was passed a miracle has happened. "Canadians" have mysteriously stopped complaining about their health care in American newspapers.

[Raider]

I think the fool is somebody trying to tell the Canadians something about their *own* country that is clearly wrong or untrue. At that point I would've been too embarassed to continue making myself look more stupid but, kudos to you for perseverance, clearly you are happy to have everyone laugh at your stupidity. The mind boggles. Thankfully people like you rarely make it out of your own country and the rest of the grown-ups don't have to deal with you beyond this forum. It's not americans like doc that make *you* look stupid - it's people like you that make *americans* look stupid. Now run along and have your little tantrums while the adults have a sensible discussion.

Fools are people who LIE and your doing plenty of that here.... I'm not telling Candians about their own Health Care system, like you say they know far better than I do.. I AM however citing sources that show your Health Care system is broken and FAR from perfect as many here want to fool us into believing. Those problems are quality of care, Shortage of Doctors and waiting lists up to 2 years out.. These aren't lies, their FACTS and you damn well know it.

And I don't understand why you feel it necessary to LIE.... Like when you said Health Care in Canada is FREE, We know that's Bullsh*t, we know it's funded through Taxation... Now if your cheating the Canadian Government by evading taxes from your domain business, then I guess your right.. IT IS FREE.

Your obviously a thin skinned individual, one who you cant handle criticism.. Why is that? If a Canadian posted that your health care SUCKS would you be as angry?.

Let's try it and see what happens;


New CMA president: Canadian public health care is 'imploding'


As the U.S. Congress wrestles with government-sponsored health care bills that have often been compared to Canadian, British, and French models, Canada's new medical chief admits that the Canadian model is 'imploding.'

The incoming president of the Canadian Medical Association sees a public health care system on the brink of collapse, and the outgoing CMA president is publicly suggesting that more of a private system be implemented.

"We all agree that the system is imploding, we all agree that things are more precarious than perhaps Canadians realize," Dr. Ann Doig, incoming CMA president told The Canadian Press. "We know that there must be change. We're all running flat out, we're all just trying to stay ahead of the immediate day-to-day demands."

Dr. Robert Ouellet, the current CMA president, said there was a need to make the system more patient-centric. According to CP, Dr. Ouellet believes that Canadian wait lists can be made to disappear, and that "competition should be welcomed, not feared."

Competition in the Canadian medical system means private health care insurance.

"(Canadians) have to understand that the system that we have right now - if it keeps on going without change - is not sustainable," Doig told CP.

SOURCE

I suppose your going to tell us Dr. Ann is stupid too and that you know better, Did I guess right?

Adolescent idiot.


Here's another one;

If all Americans were like Raider, I wouldn waste my time. Im going to all this trouble to show other Americans here how badly they are being brainwashed and lied to.

OK, so you don't have waiting lists, you don't have a shortage of Doctors and the quality of Government run Health care in Canada is one of the best in the world...

So why are Canadians willing to pay for Private health care if Government Health Care is so great?

And why did prominent Canadian official Danny Williams opt to fly to the USA for his heart surgery?.. Why would he fly here when your level of care is better than ours?... Or is it?

And if you have NO shortage of Doctors, then why the wait times?... If you have Doctors and Hospitals to meet the demand, then why are Canadians having to wait?

Oh, but there isn't any wait times, that's just stupid Raider trying to brainwash everyone.

LMAO.

[ilovedomains]

Sorry Raider. I dont have any more time for trolls today.

[Adam Dicker]

Thread Closed because of too many personal attacks.

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