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    Obama Health Care has Lost, 26 states is the majority or the USA

    I really think the votes are in, 26 states want to repeal the Obama Health Care Package.

    http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/st...n-1193651.html

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    I was reading this today... I cant wait until this goes to the US Supreme Court and they rule ObamaCare unconstitutional...

    Never before has the US Government passed a mandate that forces every American and Business to purchase private health insurance OR face penalties and imprisonment. If this is allowed to stand, it will set a new precedent for anything else the Government deems necessary to purchase, Such as energy efficient appliances or autos that have to meet a certain MPG.....

    And you were right Greg when you said this was a money grab, Were going to have Tens of Millions of Americans no complying with ObamaCare, and the way the IRS is going to go about collecting the fine will be by seizing your tax refund.... That Child Tax Credit and Earned Income Credit you were so used to getting, if you don't provide proof of Health Insurance their going to keep it.

    If that doesn't burn you, these waivers Obama is handing out will;


    500 more waivers granted for Obamacare
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    By the time they're done, only suckers like us will have to follow the rules on Obamacare. The Department of Health and Human Services just issued 500 more waivers for unions, companies, and states to avoid some of the many restrictions and mandates contained in Obamacare.

    MORE>>>
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    It isnt real health care anyway. Its just over priced health insurance.

    Americans are going to Mexico and Canada to get decent health care...

    Americans moving to Mexico by the thousands to get real health care.
    http://www.latinalista.net/palabrafi..._issue_am.html

    Palin ridiculed for using Canadian health care
    http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/0...da-health.html

    Thousands of Americans Filching Free Health Care in Canada
    http://www.nytimes.com/1993/12/20/wo...in-canada.html

    Why Uninsured Americans Are Moving to Canada
    http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...ans.html?cat=5

    Were going to have to build a fence and secure our southern border
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilovedomains View Post
    It isnt real health care anyway. Its just over priced health insurance.

    Americans are going to Mexico and Canada to get decent health care...

    Americans moving to Mexico by the thousands to get real health care.
    http://www.latinalista.net/palabrafi..._issue_am.html



    Palin ridiculed for using Canadian health care
    http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/0...da-health.html

    Thousands of Americans Filching Free Health Care in Canada
    http://www.nytimes.com/1993/12/20/wo...in-canada.html

    Why Uninsured Americans Are Moving to Canada
    http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...ans.html?cat=5

    Were going to have to build a fence and secure our southern border
    Why not? Mexicans and Canadians think they are Americans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Area52 View Post
    Why not? Mexicans and Canadians think they are Americans.
    Canadians do NOT want to be Americans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DotComGod View Post
    Canadians do NOT want to be Americans.

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    Who can blame them for not wanting to be Americans, eh?

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    You got to love the double standard from Democrats;

    "Were to exclude all of us, the unions and everybody else as we see fit, but the rest of you are going to have to buy it whether you like it or not."

    "The American people don't know what's best for them, but we do"

    It's no wonder Democrats were slaughtered in the last election, it's this kind of arrogance and overreaching that did them in, And it will do them in again in 2012.[COLOR="red"]



    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Com View Post
    Who can blame them for not wanting to be Americans, eh?
    If you don't like being an American you can always LEAVE... Heck, I'll even BUY your one way ticket... Renouncing your US Citizenship required.

    ---------- Post added at 12:39 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:18 AM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by ilovedomains View Post
    Americans are going to Mexico and Canada to get decent health care...


    "For some U.S. citizens, moving to Canada has become the only feasible option"

    Those "some" are in for a big surprise when they find out theirs a waiting list 6 months to 2 years out.

    You can cherry pick articles favorable to nationalized health care all you want to.. It's not going to change the fact that what Congress did was a violation of not just the will of the people but a violation of our Constitution as well... Which I don't expect a non-resident like yourself to respect.

    As for your great Canadian Health Care;

    This was sent from Canada to a friend in the States.


    I saw on the news up here in Canada where Hillary Clinton introduced her new health care plan. Something similar to what we have in Canada. I also heard that Michael Moore was raving about the health care up here in Canada in his latest movie. As your friend and someone who lives with the Canada health care plan I thought I would give you some facts about this great medical plan that we have in Canada.

    First of all:

    1) The health care plan in Canada is not free. We pay a premium every month of $96 for Shirley and I to be covered. Sounds great eh. What they don't tell you is how much we pay in taxes to keep the health care system afloat. I am personally in the 55% tax bracket. Yes 55% of my earnings go to taxes. A large portion of that and I am not sure of the exact amount goes directly to health care our #1 expense.

    2) I would not classify what we have as health care plan, it is more like a health diagnosis system. You can get into to see a doctor quick enough so he can tell you "yes indeed you are sick or you need an operation" but now the challenge becomes getting treated or operated on. We have waiting lists out the ying yang some as much as 2 years down the road.

    3) Rather than fix what is wrong with you the usual tactic in Canada is to prescribe drugs. Have a pain here is a drug to take — not what is causing the pain and why. No time for checking you out because it is more important to move as many patients thru as possible each hour for Government re-imbursement

    4) Many Canadians do not have a family Doctor.

    5) Don't require emergency treatment as you may wait for hours in the emergency room waiting for treatment.

    6) Shirley's dad cut his hand on a power saw a few weeks back and it required that his hand be put in a splint - to our surprise we had to pay $125 for a splint because it is not covered under health care plus we have to pay $60 for each visit for him to check it out each week.

    7) Shirley's cousin was diagnosed with a heart blockage. Put on a waiting list. Died before he could get treatment.

    8) Government allots so many operations per year. When that is done no more operations, unless you go to your local newspaper and plead your case and embarrass the government then money suddenly appears.

    9) The Government takes great pride in telling us how much more they are increasing the funding for health care but waiting lists never get shorter. Government just
    keeps throwing money at the problem but it never goes away. But they are good at finding new ways to tax us, but they don't call it a tax anymore it is now a user fee.

    10) A friend needs an operation for a blockage in her leg but because she is a smoker they will not do it. Despite paying into the health care system all these years. My friend is 65 years old. Now there is talk that maybe we should not treat fat and obese people either because they are a drain on the health care system. Let me see now, what we want in Canada is a health care system for healthy people only. That should reduce our health care costs.

    11) Forget getting a second opinion, what you see is what you get.

    12) I can spend what money I have left after taxes on booze, cigarettes, junk food and anything else that could kill me but I am not allowed by law to spend my money on getting an operation I need because that would be jumping the queue. I must wait my turn except if I am a hockey player or athlete then I can get looked at right away. Go figger. Where else in the world can you spend money to kill yourself but not allowed to spend money to get healthy.

    13) Oh did I mention that immigrants are covered automatically at tax payer expense having never contributed a dollar to the system and pay no premiums.

    14) Oh yeh we now give free needles to drug users to try and keep them healthy. Wouldn't want a sickly druggie breaking into your house and stealing your things. But people with diabetes who pay into the health care system have to pay for their needles because it is not covered but the health care system.

    I send this out not looking for sympathy but as the election looms in the states you will be hearing more and more about universal health care down there and the advocates will be pointing to Canada. I just want to make sure that you hear the truth about health care up here and have some food for thought and informed questions to ask when broached with this subject.

    Step wisely and don't make the same mistakes we have.
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    I love my free health care but that's just me. If people prefer to pay for it that should be up to them. *If* that's true about Canada (which I seriously doubt) then it's a lot worse than Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DotComGod View Post
    Canadians do NOT want to be Americans.

    -=DCG=-

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    Leave it to Tea Party Raider to post a list of blatant lies and half-truths which has already been thoroughly debunked numerous times. Raider there are educated adults here - we are not easily fooled like those at a Tea Party rally where speeling cums secund.

    Yearly surveys show over 90% of Canadians (that's Canadians across the entire political spectrum) want to keep our present health care system. That should tell you everything you need to know about our health care system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whitebark View Post
    Leave it to Tea Party Raider to post a list of blatant lies and half-truths which has already been thoroughly debunked numerous times. Raider there are educated adults here - we are not easily fooled like those at a Tea Party rally where speeling cums secund.

    Yearly surveys show over 90% of Canadians (that's Canadians across the entire political spectrum) want to keep our present health care system. That should tell you everything you need to know about our health care system.
    Nancy, is that you? If not, you're doing a great job imitating her. Nancy Pelosi called U.S. citizens rednecks, nazis and worse for no other reason than simply exercising their constitutional rights. What a flagrant display of irresponsibility and outright disdain for the citizens of this country and the Constitution. The Obama administration is like a disease. It's supporters, like you, here and abroad, are helping to spread it's vicous and unproven lies and accusations. Surely you jest if you suggest you are an educated adult when you refer to others in this manner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raider View Post
    You got to love the double standard from Democrats;

    "Were to exclude all of us, the unions and everybody else as we see fit, but the rest of you are going to have to buy it whether you like it or not."

    "The American people don't know what's best for them, but we do"

    It's no wonder Democrats were slaughtered in the last election, it's this kind of arrogance and overreaching that did them in, And it will do them in again in 2012.[COLOR="red"]





    If you don't like being an American you can always LEAVE... Heck, I'll even BUY your one way ticket... Renouncing your US Citizenship required.

    ---------- Post added at 12:39 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:18 AM ----------





    "For some U.S. citizens, moving to Canada has become the only feasible option"

    Those "some" are in for a big surprise when they find out theirs a waiting list 6 months to 2 years out.

    You can cherry pick articles favorable to nationalized health care all you want to.. It's not going to change the fact that what Congress did was a violation of not just the will of the people but a violation of our Constitution as well... Which I don't expect a non-resident like yourself to respect.

    As for your great Canadian Health Care;

    This was sent from Canada to a friend in the States.


    I saw on the news up here in Canada where Hillary Clinton introduced her new health care plan. Something similar to what we have in Canada. I also heard that Michael Moore was raving about the health care up here in Canada in his latest movie. As your friend and someone who lives with the Canada health care plan I thought I would give you some facts about this great medical plan that we have in Canada.

    First of all:

    1) The health care plan in Canada is not free. We pay a premium every month of $96 for Shirley and I to be covered. Sounds great eh. What they don't tell you is how much we pay in taxes to keep the health care system afloat. I am personally in the 55% tax bracket. Yes 55% of my earnings go to taxes. A large portion of that and I am not sure of the exact amount goes directly to health care our #1 expense.

    2) I would not classify what we have as health care plan, it is more like a health diagnosis system. You can get into to see a doctor quick enough so he can tell you "yes indeed you are sick or you need an operation" but now the challenge becomes getting treated or operated on. We have waiting lists out the ying yang some as much as 2 years down the road.

    3) Rather than fix what is wrong with you the usual tactic in Canada is to prescribe drugs. Have a pain here is a drug to take — not what is causing the pain and why. No time for checking you out because it is more important to move as many patients thru as possible each hour for Government re-imbursement

    4) Many Canadians do not have a family Doctor.

    5) Don't require emergency treatment as you may wait for hours in the emergency room waiting for treatment.

    6) Shirley's dad cut his hand on a power saw a few weeks back and it required that his hand be put in a splint - to our surprise we had to pay $125 for a splint because it is not covered under health care plus we have to pay $60 for each visit for him to check it out each week.

    7) Shirley's cousin was diagnosed with a heart blockage. Put on a waiting list. Died before he could get treatment.

    8) Government allots so many operations per year. When that is done no more operations, unless you go to your local newspaper and plead your case and embarrass the government then money suddenly appears.

    9) The Government takes great pride in telling us how much more they are increasing the funding for health care but waiting lists never get shorter. Government just
    keeps throwing money at the problem but it never goes away. But they are good at finding new ways to tax us, but they don't call it a tax anymore it is now a user fee.

    10) A friend needs an operation for a blockage in her leg but because she is a smoker they will not do it. Despite paying into the health care system all these years. My friend is 65 years old. Now there is talk that maybe we should not treat fat and obese people either because they are a drain on the health care system. Let me see now, what we want in Canada is a health care system for healthy people only. That should reduce our health care costs.

    11) Forget getting a second opinion, what you see is what you get.

    12) I can spend what money I have left after taxes on booze, cigarettes, junk food and anything else that could kill me but I am not allowed by law to spend my money on getting an operation I need because that would be jumping the queue. I must wait my turn except if I am a hockey player or athlete then I can get looked at right away. Go figger. Where else in the world can you spend money to kill yourself but not allowed to spend money to get healthy.

    13) Oh did I mention that immigrants are covered automatically at tax payer expense having never contributed a dollar to the system and pay no premiums.

    14) Oh yeh we now give free needles to drug users to try and keep them healthy. Wouldn't want a sickly druggie breaking into your house and stealing your things. But people with diabetes who pay into the health care system have to pay for their needles because it is not covered but the health care system.

    I send this out not looking for sympathy but as the election looms in the states you will be hearing more and more about universal health care down there and the advocates will be pointing to Canada. I just want to make sure that you hear the truth about health care up here and have some food for thought and informed questions to ask when broached with this subject.

    Step wisely and don't make the same mistakes we have.
    Sigh, another misinformed possibly made up forward that republicans love for whatever reason. What is it with republicans and these forwards? Anyways, you might want to read this: http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/canada.asp[COLOR="red"]

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    Good. Maybe I and every other person who has worked will get a big hefty refund check. Because for a couple of decades now, if you look on your pay stub we've been paying for health care for those that don't have it.

    Get my drift?

    We've been paying for healthcare for those that do not have it. Democrat, Independent, or GOP. We have been footing the bill.

    Even for our elected officials. We not only supply them with medical care. The rest of us actually pay for their medical care.

    So, what is fair? Every one get healthcare or for those of us employed to continue funding healthcare and other subsidies for those of you who do not?

    Alas, I can finally say, to my 83 year old mother, Screw you, mom! No free ride. You're on your own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raider View Post
    Those "some" are in for a big surprise when they find out theirs a waiting list 6 months to 2 years out.
    Baloney. You dont need to waste time "researching" Google. You can go straight to the Canadian government website and see exactly what the wait times for surgery are.

    2010 wait time...
    Cancer Services (Radiotherapy) 1.1 weeks
    Cardiac Surgery 3.3 weeks
    Knee Replacement 15.3 weeks
    Hip Replacement 11.6 weeks
    http://www.health.gov.bc.ca/cpa/medi...st/median.html


    Quote Originally Posted by Raider View Post
    This was sent from Canada to a friend in the States
    Thats a well known fake email that was debunked years ago.
    http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/canada.asp

    "The health care plan in Canada is not free. We pay a premium every month of $96."
    Health care is free for low income Canadians. Some provinces charge those who can afford to pay a small premium, and others finance their shares through various taxes and/or other revenue streams.

    "What they don't tell you is how much we pay in taxes to keep the health care system afloat. I am personally in the 55% tax bracket. Yes 55% of my earnings go to taxes."
    The highest federal income tax when this email was written was 29% (for persons with annual taxable income over $120,887). Highest provincial rate was 14%. It was not possible to be taxed 55% anywhere in Canada even if you were a millionaire. By way of comparison, a typical upper-income level American taxpayer residing in California pays a roughly equivalent share of his income in federal and state taxes, even though the U.S. has no national health insurance program.

    "We have waiting lists out the ying yang some as much as 2 years down the road."
    Median wait times in British Columbia ranged from 1 week for cancer services to 17.5 weeks for knee replacements.
    http://www.health.gov.bc.ca/cpa/medi...st/median.html

    "Rather than fix what is wrong with you the usual tactic in Canada is to prescribe drugs. Have a pain here is a drug to take not what is causing the pain and why. No time for checking you out because it is more important to move as many patients thru as possible each hour for Government re-imbursement."
    We have not found any study demonstrating that doctors in Canada are more likely to issue prescriptions in lieu of performing more thorough diagnoses than doctors in any other western countries are...

    "Don't require emergency treatment as you may wait for hours in the emergency room waiting for treatment."
    50 per cent of patients who require the most urgent care were seen by a doctor within six minutes and 86 percent were seen within 30 minutes of arrival in emergency departments. (Good luck getting service like that in a US hospital.)


    "Shirley's dad cut his hand on a power saw a few weeks back and it required that his hand be put in a splint and to our surprise we had to pay $125 for a splint because it is not covered under health care plus we have to pay $60 for each visit for him to check it out each week."
    He forgot to mention how fast he got emrgency service. (Probably within seconds of arriving). Again, its all free if your poor. Details vary from province to province, but some patients in some provinces may (depending upon the circumstances) have to pay (some portion of the cost) for medical appliances such as splints, trusses, braces, casts, or crutches, and/or the replacement, repair, fitting, or adjustment thereof.

    "Shirley's cousin was diagnosed with a heart blockage. Put on a waiting list. Died before he could get treatment."
    This one proves this whole letter is a crock. Not worth a reply

    "Government allots so many operations per year. When that is done no more operations"
    (Is anyone really stupid enough to believe this?) The Canadian government does not "allot" or set quotas on the number of operations for a given year. Obviously how many surgeries can be performed is limited by available resources (e.g., doctors, hospitals, equipment), so patients have to be prioritized and scheduled, with the most urgent cases receiving priority.

    "The Government takes great pride in telling us how much more they are increasing the funding for health care but waiting lists never get shorter. Government just keeps throwing money at the problem but it never goes away."
    The broad (and absolute) statement that "waiting lists never get shorter" is not supportable. As noted in the link cited above, wait times for some medical services have decreased significantly in the last 10 years.

    "A friend needs an operation for a blockage in her leg but because she is a smoker they will not do it. Despite paying into the health care system all these years."
    What a bunch of bullshit.

    "Forget getting a second opinion, what you see is what you get."
    Provincial health plans do not limit patients to visiting only one doctor each for any given medical issue. Patients may consult multiple specialists if they so choose.

    "I can spend what money I have left after taxes on booze, cigarettes, junk food and anything else that could kill me but I am not allowed by law to spend my money on getting an operation I need because that would be jumping the queue."
    They finally got one right!!! Rich people in Canada cant buy their way to the front of the line.
    Last edited by ilovedomains; 02-01-2011 at 07:13 PM.

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    I think Shirley is the problem, she is obviously bad luck to either be around or be related to.

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    Obamacare I think takes care of the US government.

    Obama has really flipped out on this program.

    All congressmen get special attention.
    special groups don't have to abide to health care programs.

    If you think it is unfair now...wait till the next democrat comes to power.

    I think the votes are in and the President should not proceed to force it on the majority by bringing it to the supreme courts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DotComGod View Post
    I think Shirley is the problem, she is obviously is bad luck to either be around or be related to.

    -=DCG=-
    She is probably under severe stress being married to a delusional moron who thinks doctors in Canada wont operate on people who smoke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whitebark View Post
    Yearly surveys show over 90% of Canadians (that's Canadians across the entire political spectrum) want to keep our present health care system. That should tell you everything you need to know about our health care system.
    I'd sure like to know what alternatives Canadians were given in these surveys and how much MONEY played a role in keeping what they have..... Anyone can control the outcome of a survey just by how the questions are asked.

    When over 40,000 Canadians come to the USA every year for Health Care and Surgical procedures, that say's something, And when Canada's premier of Newfoundland opts to leave his home Country to come to the USA for a Heart valve procedure, one he could of easily had done in his home Country of Canada, that not only says something, it shouts out just how much Canada's Health System SUCKS when your life is on the line.


    Canadian official has heart surgery -- in the U.S.


    Newfoundland and Labrador Premier Danny Williams (AP)

    What to make of reports that Canadian official Danny Williams opted to have his heart surgery in the U.S. instead of in his homeland?

    Williams, premier of Newfoundland and Labrador, apparently needed surgery on a leaky heart valve, a problem discovered when doctors detected a heart murmur. According to news accounts, he chose to have the surgery done in Florida, where he could take advantage of a minimally invasive through-the-armpit procedure that promised to leave no scar on his chest and would allow for a speedier recovery than the traditional sternum-cracking open-heart approach.

    Many have viewed his choice as an indictment of Canada's government-run health-care system and a sign that America's health-care system remains superior.

    Others say they're puzzled by Williams's choice, noting that the procedure he underwent is available in Canada.

    Allowing his words to speak as loudly as his actions, Williams, who is said to be recovering in Miami from his surgery (which according to this story took longer than expected), had explained his decision simply: "This was my heart, my choice and my health."

    "I did not sign away my right to get the best possible health care for myself when I entered politics," Williams said.

    That's not much of an endorsement for Canada's vaunted public health system. I hope that President Obama and Congress, on the eve of their health-care summit, are paying attention. And I hope that we in the U.S. won't end up trashing our excellent, though imperfect, health-care system in our rush to "reform" it.


    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/che...=news-col-blog


    All this talk about how great your Health Care is up there, I'm just not buying it... What I am buying are the stories like the one above and the long waiting lists, some as long as 2 years.. And the shortage of Hospitals and medical facilities where many Canadians are forced to travel 100-500 miles to see a physician. You see, Americans want access to Health Care, they don't want access to a waiting list like you guys have... Both my 2 kids came down with a severe flu on Saturday, I called our Family physician first thing Monday morning and was able to get in, and it was less than a mile down the road... Same thing when my Daughter needed to see a child cardiologist... I would hate to think what it would be like here with a Canadian style system, where my children were forced to suffer while waiting for a number to come up, _UCK that!

    And with the shortage of Doctors?... I sure don't remember seeing this in Michael Moore's movie "Sicko".. Kind of makes you wonder what else he left out.

    Lack of pediatricians hurting Canadian children: Report

    OTTAWA — A shortage of pediatricians is hurting Canadian children, especially those with chronic, long-term health problems, says a report released Tuesday.

    While kids in Canada have adequate emergency services, those who require ongoing care are suffering due to a shortage of doctors and long waiting lists, said the report, conducted by the Canadian Paediatric Society and entitled “Are We Doing Enough?”
    MORE >>>

    Part of the problem is that aging pediatricians are not being replaced by younger doctors as they retire. The problem, according to the report is most pronounced in rural communities.
    Now, can anyone take a guess as to WHY Doctors' are not being replaced?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobM View Post
    I love my free health care but that's just me. If people prefer to pay for it that should be up to them. *If* that's true about Canada (which I seriously doubt) then it's a lot worse than Europe.
    Its not true. Everyone knows Raider is full of shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raider View Post
    I'd sure like to know what alternatives Canadians were given in these surveys and how much MONEY played a role in keeping what they have..... Anyone can control the outcome of a survey just by how the questions are asked.

    When over 40,000 Canadians come to the USA every year for Health Care and Surgical procedures, that say's something, And when Canada's premier of Newfoundland opts to leave his home Country to come to the USA for a Heart valve procedure, one he could of easily had done in his home Country of Canada, that not only says something, it shouts out just how much Canada's Health System SUCKS when your life is on the line.


    Canadian official has heart surgery -- in the U.S.


    Newfoundland and Labrador Premier Danny Williams (AP)

    What to make of reports that Canadian official Danny Williams opted to have his heart surgery in the U.S. instead of in his homeland?

    Williams, premier of Newfoundland and Labrador, apparently needed surgery on a leaky heart valve, a problem discovered when doctors detected a heart murmur. According to news accounts, he chose to have the surgery done in Florida, where he could take advantage of a minimally invasive through-the-armpit procedure that promised to leave no scar on his chest and would allow for a speedier recovery than the traditional sternum-cracking open-heart approach.

    Many have viewed his choice as an indictment of Canada's government-run health-care system and a sign that America's health-care system remains superior.

    Others say they're puzzled by Williams's choice, noting that the procedure he underwent is available in Canada.

    Allowing his words to speak as loudly as his actions, Williams, who is said to be recovering in Miami from his surgery (which according to this story took longer than expected), had explained his decision simply: "This was my heart, my choice and my health."

    "I did not sign away my right to get the best possible health care for myself when I entered politics," Williams said.

    That's not much of an endorsement for Canada's vaunted public health system. I hope that President Obama and Congress, on the eve of their health-care summit, are paying attention. And I hope that we in the U.S. won't end up trashing our excellent, though imperfect, health-care system in our rush to "reform" it.


    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/che...=news-col-blog


    All this talk about how great your Health Care is up there, I'm just not buying it... What I am buying are the stories like the one above and the long waiting lists, some as long as 2 years.. And the shortage of Hospitals and medical facilities where many Canadians are forced to travel 100-500 miles to see a physician. You see, Americans want access to Health Care, they don't want access to a waiting list like you guys have... Both my 2 kids came down with a severe flu on Saturday, I called our Family physician first thing Monday morning and was able to get in, and it was less than a mile down the road... Same thing when my Daughter needed to see a child cardiologist... I would hate to think what it would be like here with a Canadian style system, where my children were forced to suffer while waiting for a number to come up, _UCK that!

    And with the shortage of Doctors?... I sure don't remember seeing this in Michael Moore's movie "Sicko".. Kind of makes you wonder what else he left out.

    Lack of pediatricians hurting Canadian children: Report

    OTTAWA — A shortage of pediatricians is hurting Canadian children, especially those with chronic, long-term health problems, says a report released Tuesday.

    While kids in Canada have adequate emergency services, those who require ongoing care are suffering due to a shortage of doctors and long waiting lists, said the report, conducted by the Canadian Paediatric Society and entitled “Are We Doing Enough?”
    MORE >>>



    Now, can anyone take a guess as to WHY Doctors' are not being replaced?
    I don't buy that the US healthcare system is great either. I can cherry pick stories and post them as well. Whats your point?

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