Obama hypocrisy related to Sotomayor nomination

[Area52]

As a senator, Obama opposed Janice Rogers Brown, an African-American nominee to the appeals court chosen by President George W. Bush.
"He argued that the test of a qualified judicial nominee is whether she can set aside her personal views" and decide cases on their merits.

Obama noted at the time that while a nominee's gender, race and life story "are important, they cannot distract from the focus on the kind of judge she will be."

But today, Obama says that "personal empathy is an essential ingredient in judicial decisions".

[Gerry]

A politician doing a flip-flop along party lines???

Heaven forbid.

[Area52]

Obama should be held accountable for his own actions.
Especially for a position this important.
And he will be.

You better buy one of those six shooters like in your avatar before Sotomayor votes to ban them.
Of course if that happens, all hell will break loose.

[Carter]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOsEc...ture=topvideos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDRpcC4Vfzw&NR=1

This man have balls.

[Anthony Ng]

It's politicians we're talking about. What do you expect? OF COURSE, they are hypocrites! LOL!

[Raider]

It's politicians we're talking about. What do you expect? OF COURSE, they are hypocrites! LOL!

Yes, but Obama is the biggest and boldest hypocrite of them all.

[Gerry]

Obama should be held accountable for his own actions.

Hmm, eerie isn't it?

Like deja vu all over again.

You better buy one of those six shooters like in your avatar before Sotomayor votes to ban them.

I don't have any six shooters. Mine are 9, 15, 20, and 30 shooters.

Seems to me that when Clinton took office, we had the same fearmongering over guns.

It was good for business and the economy, actually. It sent people to their gun broker in droves buying up ammo, clips, guns, and anything gun related.

A good friend of mine is no dummy. In the early 90's, he was buying 30 round AR-15 clips for 9 bucks and sold them for $100. Knowing the fear mongers with the NRA bullshit, he bought 1000 of them last summer - again, knowing Obama was going to win. He is a licensed firearms dealer, collector, and antiquitarian.

[Area52]

Hmm, eerie isn't it?

Like deja vu all over again.

I don't have any six shooters. Mine are 9, 15, 20, and 30 shooters.

Seems to me that when Clinton took office, we had the same fearmongering over guns.

It was good for business and the economy, actually. It sent people to their gun broker in droves buying up ammo, clips, guns, and anything gun related.

A good friend of mine is no dummy. In the early 90's, he was buying 30 round AR-15 clips for 9 bucks and sold them for $100. Knowing the fear mongers with the NRA bullshit, he bought 1000 of them last summer - again, knowing Obama was going to win. He is a licensed firearms dealer, collector, and antiquitarian.

It would definitely be "eerie" if certain people didn't blame Bush for everything under the sun and go on to make a circle jerk out of every thread having to do with Obama!

Fear mongering? You write as if there is no serious democratic party member support for limiting, if not abolishing gun ownership in the U.S. One would be quite naive if they believe that. Some democrats are very vocal about it. That is enough reason to be concerned. But, surely most Americans know this. In addition, if you are into guns as you suggest ("Mine are 9, 15, 20, and 30 shooters"), some people would find it curious that you would consider the NRA position as bullshit.

Back to the main topic.
As usual, congress has shown that they can be consistently irresponsible. Even with Obama's blatant bias when it comes to republican party appointees and his Chief Justice appointee's obvious record of statements that Imo, are inconsistent with one that is expected to give an unbiased interpretation of the law, they went and gave her a seat on the Supreme Court anyway.

Sotomayor's appoinment and approval was orchestrated and signifies an all clear for Obama's probable future amnesty proposal. In fact, I think it's a part of a long term strategy to broaden and strengthen their scope of future support. They may call that a strategy. I call it a another betrayal of trust and confidence.

[Gerry]

Fear mongering? You write as if there is no serious democratic party member support for limiting, if not abolishing gun ownership in the U.S. One would be quite naive if they believe that. Some democrats are very vocal about it. That is enough reason to be concerned. But, surely most Americans know this. In addition, if you are into guns as you suggest ("Mine are 9, 15, 20, and 30 shooters"), some people would find it curious that you would consider the NRA position as bullshit.

I don't find the NRA position bullshit - I find the NRA bullshit. As of this year, I will no longer renew my membership. I have had enough of almost daily non-stop bullshit messages regarding national, state, and local initiatives. I get phone calls, emails, and postal mail. I don't need to buy a special limited edition coin, knife, or plaque.

There is little doubt there needs to be some guns, ammo, and tactical weapons outlawed. See, I am one of those people who believe that there is a serious issue when outlaws are better equipped than our police force.

Gun ownership will not be abolished. Wake up - how old are you and how many years have you been hearing this??? You hear it because that is the NRA's mouthpiece and cry for membership. And they can claim success because I am still allowed to own my guns. Fact is, the Second Amendment protects me, not the NRA.

All my guns are legally purchased and registered. My permit(s) to carry and own guns are granted because I am a law abiding citizen. I have no issues with background checks or waiting X number of days.

The numbers I referenced are clip capacities for my various shootin' irons. Guess I could have added 2 (for side-by-sides and over/unders), 4 (three +1 in the chamber), and 7 (3 plus 3 in the extension tube +1 in the chamber). And I could include One for my .50 cal black powder repro. Kentucky Longrifles and Buffalo guns. Very cool mantle pieces.

Back to the main topic.
As usual, congress has shown that they can be consistently irresponsible. Even with Obama's blatant bias when it comes to republican party appointees and his Chief Justice appointee's obvious record of statements that Imo, are inconsistent with one that is expected to give an unbiased interpretation of the law, they went and gave her a seat on the Supreme Court anyway.

Sotomayor's appoinment and approval was orchestrated and signifies an all clear for Obama's probable future amnesty proposal. In fact, I think it's a part of a long term strategy to broaden and strengthen their scope of future support. They may call that a strategy. I call it a another betrayal of trust and confidence.

Hmm, or it could be that Hispanics are the fastest growing population in the US that ARE citizens of the USA...something the GOP has failed time and time again to acknowledge and recognize.

You know?

And as long as I keep reading all this anti Obama and DEM party bullshit on this forum, the more and more I want to distance myself from the GOP and never to return to their fold if this is the mindset and thinkspeak of the GOP.

Scary stuff.

[Seraphim]

Sotomayor is all about securing the Hispanic vote for Obama's round two. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Hispanic nationalist racist flavor that she brings to the table was one of Obama's personal prerequisites, as a straight and narrow Latina would have glided right through the nomination process, and likely received little media air time. But, now that every bell in the land has been rung out at full volume, even that Mexican seasonal field worker with zero interest in US politics, knows that Barack's got their back, or so the story goes. Watch for Obama to seal the Hispanic deal with a burrito themed photo op that looks like something that only Carl's Jr. would have the balls to attempt. "Darn it, I got jalapenos and guacamole on my tie, and on my shoe!"

But on the flip side, I can finally add to my growing list of Obama contradictions. He's now the anti war, anti lobbyist, anti politics of division, anti politics as usual advocate, that not only threatened to nuke Iran at an AIPAC rally, but apparently has no ethical dilemma in strumming a deliberate and racially divisive nomination process in an attempt to deliver CHANGE. All of the things a Hallmark card are made of, eh?

[Gerry]

Its called a brilliant strategy.

And some people, as Seraphim has eluded to, have gotten the point.

[Seraphim]

Its called a brilliant strategy.

And some people, as Seraphim has eluded to, have gotten the point.

Brilliant indeed as far as raw salesmanship is concerned. Put into actual context however, it looks a lot like Ronald McDonald playing a wicked game of hacky sack, while far off in the distance you can just barely make out the silhouette of Rome as it burns.

[Raider]

And as long as I keep reading all this anti Obama and DEM party bullshit on this forum, the more and more I want to distance myself from the GOP and never to return to their fold if this is the mindset and thinkspeak of the GOP.

Oh yeah, Like you really retrained yourself from the Anti-Bush and REPUB party bullshit since you've been here...

You got to the biggest crybaby on the planet



Cant take the heat Doc? My 8 year old Daughter can handle more than you can.

Anti-Obama?.... Get used to it, we still have 3 1/2 more years of the Socialist buffoon.

[Area52]

I don't find the NRA position bullshit - I find the NRA bullshit. As of this year, I will no longer renew my membership. I have had enough of almost daily non-stop bullshit messages regarding national, state, and local initiatives. I get phone calls, emails, and postal mail. I don't need to buy a special limited edition coin, knife, or plaque.

There is little doubt there needs to be some guns, ammo, and tactical weapons outlawed. See, I am one of those people who believe that there is a serious issue when outlaws are better equipped than our police force.

Your joking, right? Every police force in the country is outfitted like an army unit now. Probably better equipped than most other country's military. Even heavy armor. Supposedly because of two bank robbers. Now that's scary.

Gun ownership will not be abolished. Wake up - how old are you and how many years have you been hearing this??? You hear it because that is the NRA's mouthpiece and cry for membership. And they can claim success because I am still allowed to own my guns. Fact is, the Second Amendment protects me, not the NRA.

They don't need to abolish gun ownership. They already know who owns most of the guns (thanks to democrats.) and they will soon have control over the ammunition (again, democrats). Besides, they have fully automatic weapons and much more. And if you do get out of line, they will send the ATF to straighten it out.

How old am I? I'm sorry, I lost my birth certificate.
I'm glad your second amendment rights are intact. How about your fourth amendment rights?

Hmm, or it could be that Hispanics are the fastest growing population in the US that ARE citizens of the USA...something the GOP has failed time and time again to acknowledge and recognize.

Duh! They are the fastest growing population in the US primarily because law enforcement has failed to uphold immigration laws! The democrats are exploiting this to gain new members/votes. And you just know what's going to happen with the census.

And as long as I keep reading all this anti Obama and DEM party bullshit on this forum, the more and more I want to distance myself from the GOP and never to return to their fold if this is the mindset and thinkspeak of the GOP.

I'm not affiliated with the GOP.

[Gerry]

Every police force in the country is outfitted like an army unit now.

The benefits of drug busts and surrendering of assets. I am not aware of any police unit with full auto uzi, ak47, ar15. It is those assult weapons that are and have been the focus of debate.

They don't need to abolish gun ownership. They already know who owns most of the guns (thanks to democrats.) and they will soon have control over the ammunition (again, democrats).

How old are you? seriously, how old are you? Seems to me there have been tougher and stricter gun laws under nearly every administration. If we blame the dems for this, then who gets the blame for the massacre at Virginia Tech?

Duh! They are the fastest growing population in the US primarily because law enforcement has failed to uphold immigration laws! The democrats are exploiting this to gain new members/votes. And you just know what's going to happen with the census.

Here's a news flash for you:

illegal immigrants/aliens do not vote.

Surprising, isn't it? Nope, only legals and citizens of the US.

Now, that has to be a kick in the balls to future candidates.

Here is another little bit of news to be filed in the "How Soon We Forget" vault.

It was during the previous administration's watch the Bush signed the Credit Card reform bill making it damn near impossible for individuals to file bankruptcy. This was a bill sponsered and paid for by those same banks we bailed out.

What this also did, with the blessing of that same administration and the banking watchdogs, is to allow banks to (now get this) offer secure credit cards to illegal aliens. California was first to get in on this and banks like Bank of America jumped all over this. The idea was to make illegal aliens better citizens and more responsible community members by offering them Visa Credit Cards by opening accounts in local branches.

Yes, that same administration who appointed a Hispanic to the highest Law Enforcement position in this country.

Now, that law enforcement failure to uphold immigration laws - we can call this another Bush Boner - the construction of a virtual fence.

Along the Arizona/Mexico border.

McCain's home state.

28 Miles.

20 million dollars.

Yup, lets put up a virtual fence securing 28 miles along a 2900 mile border.

Now, we want to protect John McCain so lets secure the entire AZ/MX border.

Here is what is being reported from Sept. 2008 -

The 670-mile physical fence consists of 370 miles of wire-mesh barriers intended to stop people and 300 miles of shorter barriers designed to stop vehicles. The GAO estimates that costs for the wire-mesh fence have risen to $7.5 million a mile, about $3.5 million a mile more than initially expected. As of August, 187 miles of the wire-mesh fence had been completed.

Congress already has appropriated $2.7 billion for both the physical and virtual fences.

How many people could be employed to physically patrol the border? do you think it would come out a tad cheaper than $7.5 million per mile?

[fab]

Hmm, or it could be that Hispanics are the fastest growing population in the US that ARE citizens of the USA...something the GOP has failed time and time again to acknowledge and recognize.

Yes, the Democrats are heavy into special interest groups, but I have to do something quite unusual and agree with you on this, the Republicans need to to start recognizing the minorities in the US, especially the Hispanics. Believe it or not, some Conservative radio show hosts have even mentioned this. They are truly wasting a big electorate.

Duh! They are the fastest growing population in the US primarily because law enforcement has failed to uphold immigration laws! The democrats are exploiting this to gain new members/votes. And you just know what's going to happen with the census.

[TheSnake]

This is not a question of politics, it is a question of principle.

If Republicans wanted to court the Hispanic vote they would have to weaken their position on illegal Hispanic immigration. Dems understand that Hispanics in general feel that they are being singled out or prejudiced if they are not allowed to illegally immigrate to this country. Many hispanic citizens were once illegals and some of their relatives/kin are now illegals.
Illegals create a huge health and education burden (cost) on the Western United States. Illegals do take jobs from American citizens. Plus, more secure borders should reduce national security risks.

Do we allow asians, africans or europeans to illegaly immigrate to this country?
As a representative of U.S. citizens (not illegal immigrants) do you allow this huge cost burden to escalate only to be paid by U.S. citizens?
Do you allow jobs to be taken from U.S. citizens (however low-paying they would be) and potentially increase national security risks?
Should Hispanics get special treatment over other immigrants?

I would want my representative to represent the interests of U.S. citizens, and I believe the Republican stance is correct on this issue. I do not believe in any way that my representative should be representing Mexican citizens. On this issue Dems seem more worried about votes than what is right.

Dems have always courted minorities with rhetoric that they are for the "little guy" and will force redistribution of wealth from the wealthy to the poor. In fact, Dems court the poor with this rhetoric. Wealthier minorities in general see thru this bad logic and many are Republican.

The Republican message in this area has been trampled and skewed by most of the news media. The Republican stance (imho) is that it is better to create jobs for people than to simply give them money. Job creation allows for citizens to take pride that they now have a job and this replaces the stipend they would have received from the government. Jobs create less government burden (payouts) and increases govt. revenues because now these individuals have to pay an income tax. This is what is called a win-win situation.

There will always be the wealthy and less weathy in the United States. The Republicans just need to do a better job explaining why their policies will benefit the greatest number of U.S. citizens by focusing on jobs and reducing burdens on the government (paid for by U.S. citizens).

Right now, I don't think the reps. of either party are doing the job they were elected to do. All reps. are worried about today is gerrymandering to insure that they will have a lifetime job. Most do not stand on principle. The enormous debt burden that will have to be passed thru to U.S. citizens is the current example of their ability to "turn the other cheek" (see Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid etc.).

Perhaps we need to create the Common Sense Party...but that day is probably coming.

Yes, the Democrats are heavy into special interest groups, but I have to do something quite unusual and agree with you on this, the Republicans need to to start recognizing the minorities in the US, especially the Hispanics. Believe it or not, some Conservative radio show hosts have even mentioned this. They are truly wasting a big electorate.

[fab]

This is not a question of politics, it is a question of principle.

If Republicans wanted to court the Hispanic vote they would have to weaken their position on illegal Hispanic immigration. Dems understand that Hispanics in general feel that they are being singled out or prejudiced if they are not allowed to illegally immigrate to this country. Many hispanic citizens were once illegals and some of their relatives/kin are now illegals.
Illegals create a huge health and education burden (cost) on the Western United States. Illegals do take jobs from American citizens. Plus, more secure borders should reduce national security risks.

I am against illegal aliens as well, but I think the US should allow hard working honest, good people the capability of immigration legally. For those who refuse to abide by the rules I agree they should be expelled. Most minorities once they succeed in the US, and raise their socio-economic level become conservatives.

[Anthony Ng]

Wealthier minorities in general see thru this bad logic and many are Republican.

That is because CLASS is a stronger social divide than RACE. And you're not hinting even remotely that wealthier minorities are smarter than their poorer brothers, are you?

[Gerry]

If Republicans wanted to court the Hispanic vote they would have to weaken their position on illegal Hispanic immigration.

Umm, weren't many GOP members proposing an amnesty a couple of years ago? And giving them a permit for x number of years and then would have to return to mexico?

Yup.

GOP would have to weaken their position? You mean like they have to shake their anti-brown stance along with having to shake off their decades old anti-black position? Frightening to think that there would be anyone or anything outside the white anglo saxon male population infiltrate their ranks.