Obama, Pay yor taxes. How will Obama tax the USA?

[Raider]

Oh dear do republicans have no clue how to pay off debt? It's not like your national debt is in the trillions or anything.

Wake up Republicans - you are being taxed without your knowledge obviously - it's called interest payments on your outstanding debt. But hey, don't bother paying down the debt with increased revenues - just let it pile up more and have your few remaining available creditors downgrade your national credit rating and you'll all pay even more in interest - a direct taxation to ALL Americans. But that simple fact is lost on the 35% crowd.

Seriously what goes through the head of Republicans anymore is beyond me. The party has become a joke. It's all fear all the time with that bunch. I have no love for the Democrats but come on! Bush grew the debt AND government like nobody before him and you are all scared Obama might try to correct that with new taxes for those earning $200,000 plus which a vast majority of Republican supporters will never ever make in one year! LOL Talk about having a bunch of conned supporters!

Obama's tax structure will do more for the average American than the Republican plan but the propaganda has worked obviously and the rich are laughing their asses off at rural America for helping keep them in their million dollar lifestyles, and allow them to have $150,000 shopping sprees ala Palin.

Nov can't come soon enough. The world has had enough of Republican stupidity which drags us all down. There is no other way to put it.

“The recipe for perpetual ignorance is: Be satisfied with your opinions and content with your knowledge.”

Elbert Hubbard

[Gerry]

“The recipe for perpetual ignorance is: Be satisfied with your opinions and content with your knowledge.”

Elbert Hubbard

Know him well. Quite the entrepreneur of his day. His Arts and Crafts movement pieces are highly sought after and collected.

Last voyage? The Titanic

Obama bill: $845 billion
more for global poverty
Democrat sponsors act OK'd by Senate panel
that would cost 0.7% of gross national product ouch! more taxes on the poor.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.p...w&pageId=56405

WOW! That would be horrible...if it were true.

It is absolutely amazing what you can find out when you read the actual bill.

S 2433 ISRS

SEC. 2. FINDINGS

(9) At the summit of the Group of Eight (G-8) nations in July 2005, leaders from all eight participating countries committed to increase aid to Africa from the current $25,000,000,000 annually to $50,000,000,000 by 2010, and to cancel 100 percent of the debt obligations owed to the World Bank, African Development Bank, and International Monetary Fund by 18 of the world's poorest nations.

(10) At the United Nations World Summit in September 2005, the United States joined more than 180 other governments in reiterating their commitment to achieve the [Struck out->]United Nations [<-Struck out] Millennium Development Goals by 2015.

(12) In January 2006, United States Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice initiated a restructuring of the United States foreign assistance program, including the creation of a Director of Foreign Assistance, who maintains authority over Department of State and United States Agency for International Development (USAID) foreign assistance funding and programs.[Struck out->](13) [<-Struck out] (12) In January 2007, the Department of State's Office of the Director of Foreign Assistance added poverty reduction as an explicit, central component of the overall goal of United States foreign assistance...

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I really don't think it is necessary to point out that as (9) states that the sitting president of the US, George W., participated in 2005 in the meeting of the G-8. He gave the thumbs up to doubling the budget to $50 billion/yr.

We can call this Dubya-Doubled #1.

In (12) we see mention of the sitting secretary of state Ms. Rice (whom I greatly admire) is more or less taking the reigns of this program to create a new position to administer this budget.

Sen. Barack Obama and 30 co-sponsors are essentially showing a bi-partisan support of the already existing policies.

In a subsequent article:

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Rice to Group Foreign Aid in One Office in State Dept.

WASHINGTON, Jan. 18 - In a shake-up of the foreign aid bureaucracy, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice plans to set up an office under her direct supervision to oversee agencies and bureaus that dispense $19 billion each year, State Department officials said Wednesday.

State Department officials say that foreign assistance has doubled since 2000 under President Bush, but that large sums of money have been spun off to other agencies in the State Department.

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Hmm...State Department officials say that foreign assistance has doubled since 2000 under President Bush - Dubya-Double #2.

In the version posted to start out this thread, no where in the real version does it add up to $845 billion.

It does add up to $133 billion from 2000 - 2007 and if passed and doubled to 50 billion a year that would be an addition $400 billion until the year 2015.

The total I come up with is $533 billion - all approved by George W. Bush.

Perhaps the batteries were going low in the calculator of the author of that piece?

[Raider]

It's refreshing to see someone on this Forum who actually does their homework before posting..... Good job Doc.

[Gerry]

Good job Doc.

Education never ceases.

[tas38]

What obama should do for republicans, is let the rich keep all republicans part of the tax break to go to the rich. And big oil fat cats since they love them so much, may be even let them make up the dems part as well.

Come on we all know the rich got all kinds of loopholes, again I'll say it obama clearly said he not rising taxes. He is just not going to let the rich, keep their tax breaks from the republicans. Obama was saying since the rich are much richer under the republicans rule, and many middle class got wiped out from it.

To let the middle class and poor share in the wealth, instead of taking and letting them suffer. While the rich fat cats get even richer, that the rich needs to spead some of that worth around a little. By not taking the tax breaks the republicans give them, so he is letting them drop.

It's is very clear what the republicans rule so done, it's not like we are not giving them a chance. They had 7 years to fix things and the did, that drove our country into the ground. It's not like their rule worked at all, it's very clear bill clinton under dems rule done way better.

OPEC is going to cut oil out put by 2 million barrels per day, when our country and the worlds markets. Are about to crash off the face of the earth, this is what help get us where we are more then anything. And republicans done nothing what so ever to keep it from happening, in fact they help it happen as much as they could.

Now big oil seems to think they are owed sky rocketing oil prices, to support the terrorist networks around the world. Republicans loves big oil and hates anyone, that try to fight them and hold them a bay. Well under obama this will stop, big oil will weaken and go into the sunset.

They took trillions in new profits under the republicans, big biz got hurt way worst from sky high oil prices. Then they will not getting republican's tax breaks, why aren't republicans so worried about big oil stealing trillions and trillions. Damaging the earth beyond repair, no they will not say anything but drill baby drill while we all cry baby cry.

Obama and the dems say jobs baby jobs, not drill baby drill that why republicans can't stand him. Think of the trillions and trillions oil has cost everyone, but they like that why do they not cry no more dirty oil. It's not like big oil will invest that trillions, in clean energy now is it.

While most of the market is hurting bad, green energy is taking off because it save money and our earth. Contractors are real busy here in PA, putting up new wind power towers. The same is true for some other states that good clean jobs, people need to stop acting as change is so bad. It's not bad it saves big money and the earth, MMGWing is cost us trillions already.

If the republicans was not up the bu$$ of big oil so far, they would see where all the money taking from the wealth went. They are the #1 reason big biz are dropping like flys, they bugged the bush admin to help stop big oil. But the bush admin and republicans would not, even when dems took over the house dems try to stop big oil.

What did the bush admin and republicans do, stop them from getting any real kind of energy plan. Think about it if we paid such high energy bills, big biz pay much much higher energy bills. Big biz want obama and the dems in office, everyone but big oil that is because. Big oil will be stop from taking the world down, sorry big oil and republican supporters. But we are taking back our country, god give the world and it's wealth to everyone not the few rich.

Edited In: Big oil is doing super great right now......

( Thursday, 23 October 2008
ConocoPhillips is the smallest of the Big Five Oil companies, but it made profits in the third quarter that match what giant Exxon made as recently as 2004. Its $5.2 billion quarterly profit and $14.8 billion profits so far in 2008 vividly show the damage that oil and fuel prices did this year to consumers and the U.S. economy, said the nonprofit, nonpartisan Consumer Watchdog.

"These gargantuan profit leaps should warn Congress not to be distracted by the banking crisis from regulation of energy markets," said Judy Dugan, research director of Consumer Watchdog. "Conoco's doubling of profit over the first three quarters of 2008 came straight out of consumers' pockets and mostly onto their credit cards. Energy costs were stressing a damaged economy months before banks started imploding, and the energy debt pileup will suppress economic recovery." )

http://pr-canada.net/index.php?optio...6871&Itemid=61

( "Oil Profit Monster:" A Powerful, Flexible and Free Tool )

http://www.oilwatchdog.org/articles/?storyId=10827

[jasdon11]

“The recipe for perpetual ignorance is: Be satisfied with your opinions and content with your knowledge.”

Elbert Hubbard

So I take it you've watched the documentaries that JMJ linked to? If not, you must be "satisfied with your opinions and content with your knowledge".

Here's the link - http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...79275960015727

It will prove what I've been telling you for months.

Seriously what goes through the head of Republicans anymore is beyond me. The party has become a joke. It's all fear all the time with that bunch.

Hit the nail on the head.

You just have to see Raider's post to see the fear; fear of terrorism; fear of taxes; fear of a falling economy; fear of being proven wrong.

The witch hunts of centuries ago are still going on today. We have not moved on psycologically at all....today, the 'witches' are 'terrorists'. Despite all the technology and information at our fingertips, there are still a great many people who will believe whatever they are told, if it comes from a source they deem to be above themselves. Maybe it is because of the technology and information (media) that the same system works so well nowadays - you can make sure the people only see what you want them to...

The videos above ought to be required viewing for everyone. When you see Donald Rumsfeld flat out lying about the Russian threat back in the '80's - and then using the same speech about WMD a few years ago; it's sickening.

A lot of illuminating facts arise in these videos, made for the BBC by the way, by a respected source. Names are named. Watch them - they filled in a lot of gaps for me!

[500,000]

Love Wins

[Gerry]

Obama is going to tax all energy systems we use today. What would be good is a tax break on new energy systems. For the mean time we will all have to pay more for all enegry the we use.

Canceling Africa's debt is in accord with the UN mandate and the G-8 summit of 2005, of which Mr. bush attented.

This is nothing new and should not come as a surprise as I laid out EXACTLY what the bill stated so there should not be any misinterpretation. This is the global debt, not just the USA.

Yet it is not surprising that some want to say this is Obama's idea when it is a bill that is essentially a bi-partisan demonstration of support for Dubya's plan and Mz. Rice's responsibility as Secretary of State.

As for energy tax, are you aware of the federal tax on gasoline? Thought so.

From 1959 until 1983 it held steady at 4 cents per gallon. In 1983 it more than doubled to 9 cents. Seemingly an insignificant amount but on a percentage basis this is a 225% increase. Under the watch of Ronald Reagan.

Now, if you are like me, you don't mind paying your fair share of taxes IF ITS FAIR and you have some idea what it is used for.

In 1987, 1/10 of one cent was added making the total 9.1 cents per gallon.

Remember Bush Sr catch phrase, "Read my lips, NO NEW TAXES." Very well crafted words. Perhaps he kept that promise. Or perhaps he had other plans such as, "NO NEW TAXES. I'll just raise the old taxes."

In December 1991, the fed. gasoline tax jumped from 9.1 to 14.1, an increase of 60%.

And Clinton increased the gas tax to 18.4.

During the Reagan/Bush Sr. years, the gas tax increased from 4 cents per gallon to 14.1 cents per gallon.

A whopping 352.5 % increase on energy tax in 12 years times under the watch of the GOP.

So, what was the point of the article you quoted?

[500,000]

Love Wins

[Gerry]

I would not mind paying more on gas (for cars) taxes if the revenue was spent on the environment and new transportation systems.

Bingo! And go to the programs it is intended for rather than be diverted.

Currently the North Carolina gasoline tax is huge at 48.6 cents per gallon. Add in the Fed tax and we are paying 66.7 cents per gallon.

California is the worst at 63.9 cents per gallon.

You can see your state here.

[500,000]

Love Wins

[tas38]

I guess spending don't count to republicans as a tax rise, if you go by that under republicans put taxes so high it crashed the markets. Because that is what happen already, just think about it how much is 10 trillion in rised taxes. How much has big oil rised your taxes, and big biz taxes so much so they are dropping like flys right now.


Spending 10 trillion = 10 trillion in taxes on everyone.

Spending trillions in higher energy = big biz dropping like flys.

It's much better having a little 1 trillion tax rise in the open, then rising taxes 10 trillion while no one is watching. Republicans are yelling dems will taxe so much they will crash the markets, but the republicans have spent so much they have crashed the markets. That that make any sense to you ???

[500,000]

Love Wins

[Acro]

See how much of a hypocrite you are, Greg? You complain about peaceful contributions to expand the true well-being of other humans around the globe, but you support invasive, assaulting wars that cost thousands of lives and billions of dollars.

[500,000]

Love Wins

[tas38]

That another big problem moving ahead, but some nations can't feed them self's. But you take care of your own first, bush has been taking care of other nations only, not worried about his own country and look where we are now.

That one of the bad problems in both wars we are in, these people have no money and in many cases get funds from terrorist. We need to help them so they got a choice, it's not much of a choice if doing the right thing insure you go hungry, or go with terrorist and eat good.