Obama pushing Pay Raise for Federal Employees

[Raider]

America is in one of the worst recessions in US history, The country is nearly 14 TRILLION Dollars in DEBT, 15 Million Americans are unemployed and what does Obama want to do?

Give Federal Employees a pay raise...

This goes to what I've been posting in other threads, Government has grown under this President and so has the pay for Federal Employees, This pay increase flies in the face of the tens of thousands of hard working Americans who are losing their jobs in the private sector each and every month....

Every year Obama has delivered a budget with a DEFICIT that runs in the TRILLIONS of dollars... So where's the money going to come from to pay for this raise?

Where else but from YOU and Your CHILDREN?


More federal workers' pay tops $150,000
By Dennis Cauchon, USA TODAY

The number of federal workers earning $150,000 or more a year has soared tenfold in the past five years and doubled since President Obama took office, a USA TODAY analysis finds.

The fast-growing pay of federal employees has captured the attention of fiscally conservative Republicans who won control of the U.S. House of Representatives in last week's elections. Already, some lawmakers are planning to use the lame-duck session that starts Monday to challenge the president's plan to give a 1.4% across-the-board pay raise to 2.1 million federal workers.

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FEDERAL WORKERS: Earning double their private counterparts
By Dennis Cauchon, USA TODAY

At a time when workers' pay and benefits have stagnated, federal employees' average compensation has grown to more than double what private sector workers earn, a USA TODAY analysis finds.

Federal workers have been awarded bigger average pay and benefit increases than private employees for nine years in a row. The compensation gap between federal and private workers has doubled in the past decade.

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[H2FC]

Obama pushing Pay Raise for Federal Employees America is in one of the worst recessions in US history, The country is nearly 14 TRILLION Dollars in DEBT, 15 Million Americans are unemployed and what does Obama want to do? Give Federal Employees a pay raise... This goes to what I've been posting in other threads, Government has grown under this President and so has the pay for Federal Employees, This pay increase flies in the face of the tens of thousands of hard working Americans who are losing their jobs in the private sector each and every month....

Wrong Again Raider.... as usual your unreliable Glenn Beck and his other UnAmerican Blowhard Cohorts have given you the wrong info.

Here's the truth if it matters to you.... "If President Barack Obama’s budget is passed, federal civilian employees will see a slight increase in their paychecks next year. The President’s budget proposes a 2 percent increase, considerably smaller than the 3.9 percent and 3.5 percent raises feds got in 2009 and 2008, respectively. Military personnel, however, are poised to receive a 2.9 percent pay increase.
“As families are tightening their belts in this economic crisis across the country, the president ordered a freeze of White House senior staff pay,” says the budget narrative. “Federal employees will be asked to do their part.”
http://ohmygov.com/blogs/general_new...ma-budget.aspx

[000]

...the president's plan to give a 1.4% across-the-board pay raise to 2.1 million federal workers...

...The President’s budget proposes a 2 percent increase...

Good work H2, thanks for bumping up the numbers and exposing Raider and Beck as tools of the administration.

[BobDiGiTaL]

so is it 1.4% or 2% ?
I guess we'll find out after the "budget" is passed.

[Dale Hubbard]

You yanks (meant as friendly) should see what a mess the UK is in. We have been stripped of our armed forces which we regard as our bloody birthright, and everyone's going tits-up. Don't ask about the underlying fiscal farce. I never thought I'd say it but I am now starting to hate this bloody country.

[thinkingsmall]

and everyone's going tits-up

i like that expression ! very catchy ! whatever happened to balls ?

[Dale Hubbard]

The common alternative is 'arse over tit'. Or in Americanese, 'ass over tit'. Means: To be 'turned over' or 'buggered to death'.

[ilovedomains]

Solution is so simple it can be explained in three words... Regulate your banks.

http://www.newsweek.com/2009/02/06/w...itiative.html#
"Guess which country, alone in the industrialized world, has not faced a single bank failure, calls for bailouts or government intervention in the financial or mortgage sectors. Yup, it's Canada. In 2008, the World Economic Forum ranked Canada's banking system the healthiest in the world. America's ranked 40th, Britain's 44th.

Canada has done more than survive this financial crisis. The country is positively thriving in it. Canadian banks are well capitalized and poised to take advantage of opportunities that American and European banks cannot seize. The Toronto Dominion Bank, for example, was the 15th-largest bank in North America one year ago. Now it is the fifth-largest. It hasn't grown in size; the others have all shrunk.

[whitebark]

In 2008, the World Economic Forum ranked Canada's banking system the healthiest in the world. America's ranked 40th, Britain's 44th.

Canada has done more than survive this financial crisis. The country is positively thriving in it. Canadian banks are well capitalized and poised to take advantage of opportunities that American and European banks cannot seize. The Toronto Dominion Bank, for example, was the 15th-largest bank in North America one year ago. Now it is the fifth-largest. It hasn't grown in size; the others have all shrunk.

Canada was very lucky that we got a minority Conservative government and not a majority or else they would have torn down the regulations on our banking system to reflect the failed United States model. The Harper Conservative government wanted to do that so badly but were stopped only because the opposition MPs saw how stupid it was.

Thanks go to Paul Martin. Not our best PM ever but certainly one of the best Finance Ministers in Canadian history. He is now a star amongst foreign governments for his work in trying to rescue their failing economic systems.

And looking over the drafts of the deficit cutting the US will try - it is a setup for more failure. There is precious little to address the runaway scam known as Wall Street and the banking system in the United States and of course there will be more tax cuts! A small rise on the poor Americans for once again another cut for the richest Americans. It's the Bush years all over again. How many times do they need to try the same failed actions before they clue in?

America is nearing bankruptcy. Their response - more tax cuts! That's like an individual nearing bankruptcy quitting their full-time job for a part-time job! Trickle down didn't work under Reagan/Thatcher, Bush Sr, Clinton, Bush JR/Blair and it will not work for Obama.

Finally it's so funny to read the outrage from the likes of Raider. Where was her outrage when Bush was sinking the US economy? That's right - yelling down at anybody pointing out the same things she now attempts! LOL

[Mike Cruz]

just another example of an uninformed parrot...

[H2FC]

America is in one of the worst recessions in US history, The country is nearly 14 TRILLION Dollars in DEBT, 15 Million Americans are unemployed and what does Obama want to do?

And what is the GOP Demanding?? Give the top 20% of the wealthy americans in the USA TAX CUTS!!

And that will require borrowing Hundreds of Billions Dollars more from China (or somebody) to replace the money those taxes would bring in!!

[Raider]

Good work H2, thanks for bumping up the numbers and exposing Raider and Beck as tools of the administration.

Good one

And what is the GOP Demanding?? Give the top 20% of the wealthy americans in the USA TAX CUTS!!

Everyone knows that Tax cuts and less regulation creates jobs... Most of which are created by small businesses who don't fall into your "wealthy" category.

Any proposed tax cuts by Republicans are intended to jump start the economy and create jobs, So if we don't give the tax cut, How do you propose we put millions of Americans back to work? by building solor panels?.... LMAO.

And that will require borrowing Hundreds of Billions Dollars more from China (or somebody) to replace the money those taxes would bring in!!

Don't we have 300 BILLION remaining from the $787 BILLION Dollar stimulus? Why not use that?.

OR how about cutting programs? Like Federal grants for example? These Grants alone are costing the tax payer nearly 500 BILLION Dollars a year, what's wrong with slashing that to a 100 Billion?

We don't have to stop there, look at these duplicate programs, do we really need this number of programs to achieve our objectives;?


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42 economic development programs;

130 programs serving the disabled;

130 programs serving at-risk youth;

90 early childhood development programs;

75 programs funding international education, cultural, and training exchange activities;

72 federal programs dedicated to assuring safe water;

50 homeless assistance programs;

45 federal agencies conducting federal criminal investigations;

40 separate employment and training programs;

28 rural development programs;

27 teen pregnancy programs;

26 small, extraneous K-12 school grant programs;

23 agencies providing aid to the former Soviet republics;

19 programs fighting substance abuse;

17 rural water and waste-water programs in eight agencies;

17 trade agencies monitoring 400 international trade agreements;

12 food safety agencies;

11 principal statistics agencies; and

Four overlapping land management agencies.

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What does it take for people like you to understand that Government is too BIG?


And why the concern for borrowing from China and other Countries anyway? Your BOY borrowed over $3 TRILLION from them in less than 20 months, and now your suddenly concerned about borrowing money when it will REALLY create jobs?

[H2FC]

I'm all for tax cuts to small business owners so long as they don't make over $250,000 a year. If they make more than that their tax rates should be progressively more according to their income. If and when our country gets out of recession maybe their tax cuts can be restored again....but not now.

If tax cuts for the very wealthy (who already have more money than they and their families can ever spend) create more jobs, why wasn't more jobs created when Bush was President? All tax cuts do for the very wealthy is add to their wealth at the expense of others less fortunate. Thats you and me Raider...unless of course you have a few hundred million stashed somewhere....which I seriously doubt.

Its so clear from reading Raider's post above she supports the GOP policy of taking from the smaller incomes and giving it to the wealthy. She has spelled out exactly what the GOP wants to do. The leaders of the party would never do this but she has.....at least she truthful about it.

[south]

I'm all for tax cuts to small business owners so long as they don't make over $250,000 a year.

Ridiculous. Ever heard of inflation? Expect it in a country near you soon. $250k/year might be a pittance soon.

The only sane method of taxation is a flat tax, preferably a sales tax nationwide, with maximum cap set in a constitutional amendment. This should also make it unconstitutional for any income tax to be collected, except for special cases in a time of war. But this should only be implemented after repeal of the 16th amendment.

[Gerry]

Hmm, no thread started last year???

Obama cuts pay raises for federal workers
The Hill ^ | August 31, 2009 | Sam Youngman

---------- Post added at 11:00 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:52 AM ----------

What???

No thread started in Fall 2008 over the 3.9% raise granted in September 2008?

3.9% Average Pay Raise for Federal Employees in 2009 in Temporary Spending Bill
19 posts - 13 authors - Last post: Sep 30, 2008
As of now, it appears that an average 3.9% pay raise for federal employees will become effective ... I don't think a government trillions in debt ought to give pay raises. ... an increase of $56 billion over the 2008 level. ... FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson.

wha??? A temporary spending bill when the country was on a free fall in the economy? what???

What???

No thread started in the spring of 2008?

Area Federal Workers Get 4.49% Raise

President Bush signed an executive order yesterday that provides pay raises this year for federal employees, military personnel, Cabinet officers and members of Congress.

[Raider]

If tax cuts for the very wealthy (who already have more money than they and their families can ever spend) create more jobs, why wasn't more jobs created when Bush was President? All tax cuts do for the very wealthy is add to their wealth at the expense of others less fortunate. Thats you and me Raider...unless of course you have a few hundred million stashed somewhere....which I seriously doubt.

Its so clear from reading Raider's post above she supports the GOP policy of taking from the smaller incomes and giving it to the wealthy. She has spelled out exactly what the GOP wants to do. The leaders of the party would never do this but she has.....at least she truthful about it.

What's clear is your lack of comprehension, Failing once again to understand what your reading... Let me make this clear so even a dolt like you can understand it;

I support a Flat Tax, where Americans earning $30,000 a year or less are exempt from paying any tax at all... So much for your BS claim that I want to take from smaller income families.

I support a drastic reduction in Federal and State Employees, Where tens of thousands of Federal employees are earning over $40,000 a year in benefits ALONE, while public sector employees earn less than $9,000.

It's clear that while YOU support BIGGER Government, I support LESS Government.
While YOU support increased regulation on businesses in this country that cause Americans to lose their jobs, I support that Government make it easier for businesses to grow by taxing them LESS.
While YOU support the Greedy Rich in Washington DC who are stealing from the American People, I support the working class who work hard and contribute to the growth of our economy.
While YOU support Socialism, I support Capitalism.

The differences between us are very clear.

As for your opposition to the Wealthy in this Country, I don't understand why you have such a problem with them, They pay a FAR Higher tax rate than you do, Many of the wealthy created jobs in this Country where you never have, They worked very hard in life to succeed while you FAILED, and they contribute to worthwhile charities where you CANT because your too stupid to earn enough money to contribute anything that would make an impact.

Now let me ask you; Who would you say is a more productive member of our Society, people like you or them?

[H2FC]

I support a Flat Tax, where Americans earning $30,000 a year or less are exempt from paying any tax at all.

I support a drastic reduction in Federal and State Employees, Where tens of thousands of Federal employees are earning over $40,000 a year in benefits ALONE, while public sector employees earn less than $9,000.

I agree with you on the above....never said I didn't but what we're talking about here is continuing to give tax breaks to the very wealthy....I'm against it and you're for it.

It's clear that while YOU support BIGGER Government, I support LESS Government.

I don't support bigger government; I support enough government to protect the peolple.

While YOU support increased regulation on businesses in this country that cause Americans to lose their jobs, I support that Government make it easier for businesses to grow by taxing them LESS.

I support enough regulations on businesses to protect the consumer. I don't believe in businesses self-regulating themselves as the GOP does....thats one of the main reasons our economy is in such bad shape now.

While YOU support the Greedy Rich in Washington DC who are stealing from the American People, I support the working class who work hard and contribute to the growth of our economy.

I've never supported the greedy rich of any party and I've always supported the working class of which I'm a member.

While YOU support Socialism, I support Capitalism.

Wrong again Raider....I've never supported Socialism but I do support the working class over the greedy rich.

The differences between us are very clear.

Yes they are....you support the greedy rich and I support the working class.

As for your opposition to the Wealthy in this Country, I don't understand why you have such a problem with them, They pay a FAR Higher tax rate than you do, Many of the wealthy created jobs in this Country where you never have, They worked very hard in life to succeed while you FAILED, and they contribute to worthwhile charities where you CANT because your too stupid to earn enough money to contribute anything that would make an impact.

Now let me ask you; Who would you say is a more productive member of our Society, people like you or them?

Because of the Bush tax breaks they enjoy the greedy rich does not pay a higher tax rate than you and I do; in most cases they pay much less. This is what I'm against. I've not failed in life and in fact I've been rather succesful and created many jobs for others but I won't go into the details of that simply because its none of your business but for you to make such a statement about someone you know nothing about shows your total lack of good character. I suspect I've also contributed as much or more to worthwhile charities as you have but I don't brag on it at every opportunity as you do.

I hope this answers your unfair abusive tirade toward me....its obvious to anyone reading these messages you're wrong to make personal abusive accusations against others just because they disagree with your misquided opinions.

[ilovedomains]

Now let me ask you; Who would you say is a more productive member of our Society, people like you or them?

H2FC is more productive. Wall Street bankers dont make anything, they just steal money. If corporate America has its way, the only thing they will produce in America will be weapons and hamburgers.

[Gerry]

If corporate America has its way, the only thing they will produce in America will be weapons and hamburgers.

Hamburgers? Naw, bean soup or broth made out of some type of seaweed.

[Raider]

I agree with you on the above....never said I didn't but what we're talking about here is continuing to give tax breaks to the very wealthy....I'm against it and you're for it.

NO, what were talking about in this thread is giving wealthy Federal Employees MORE of OUR money during one the worst recessions in recent history, That's what this thread is about, It's NOT about your animosity and jealously toward the wealthiest Americans in the private sector.

And if you agree with me on the Flat tax for all Americans and Zero tax for people earning 30K and under, why are you still hammering away at this "Tax the Wealthy" rhetoric when their ALREADY paying HIGHER TAXES than most of us?... Do you want them to pay more? If so, how much more? And what do you consider wealthy? Try being more specific in your posts.

I don't support bigger government; I support enough government to protect the peolple.

This is an outright LIE.. You've been supporting the Obama regime on every single spending policy that he has put forward to date, Policies that have GROWN the size of Government and do little in protecting the people.

I support enough regulations on businesses to protect the consumer. I don't believe in businesses self-regulating themselves as the GOP does....thats one of the main reasons our economy is in such bad shape now.

Most everyone who reads this section knows full well that you support CAP and TAX, An energy and carbon tax that forces many businesses around this Country to go OUT of Business. In California alone, thousands of businesses have already been forced out of the State because of AB-32. We have nearly 5000 people LEAVING the State of California every day because of Democratic policies like these that are bankrupting Americans. It's your left wing policies that are the reason Blue States like California are on the brink of Bankruptcy.

I've never supported the greedy rich of any party and I've always supported the working class of which I'm a member.

Never? BULL.... You fully support Al Gore (D) who's net worth is well over $100 million Dollars... You support Bil Clinton (D) who's net worth is $109 Million, You support John Kerry (D) who's net worth is $525 Million, You support left wing Billionaires like George Sorros (LWL) who's net worth is over $14 BILLION dollars.

You say you support the little guy but did you notice you have spent more time on this Forum defending ALL of the people above rather than the working class in this Country.?

Wrong again Raider....I've never supported Socialism but I do support the working class over the greedy rich.

Another LIE... You publicly posted here on this Forum that you support Nationalized Health Care, You support taking from the Rich and giving to the poor, You posted in another thread that Government would be "Giving Money" away by granting Tax breaks, This clearly shows your mindset, the mindset that says; "The peoples money belongs to the Government and Government should not be giving it back with tax breaks" When it's really the PEOPLES money to begin with.... Whatever Tax breaks our Government provides, it's Government taking LESS.

You may not think of yourself as a Socialist, but you certainly come across as one.

Because of the Bush tax breaks they enjoy the greedy rich does not pay a higher tax rate than you and I do; in most cases they pay much less. This is what I'm against.

Are you telling me a Rich person in this Country who's earning hundreds of millions of Dollars a year, that He/She pays less in income Taxes than someone earning less than 250K? Is that what your saying?

I've not failed in life and in fact I've been rather succesful and created many jobs for others.

Creating jobs as in meeting the payroll? Sorry H2FC, I just don't see you as a Businessman, Businessmen just DON"T think like you do.... They don't like giving Government their hard earned money and having Government tell them what to do.

I hope this answers your unfair abusive tirade toward me....its obvious to anyone reading these messages you're wrong to make personal abusive accusations against others just because they disagree with your misquided opinions.[/B]

Well thank you for at least taking the time to answer some of them... As for me being abusive, I'm just treating you with the same respect as you treat me... You came into this thread with one objective, to degrade my original post and topic, your first line of your first post was a complete LIE, not only do I NOT listen to Beck, the article was written by USA Today and yet you accuse me of being wrong because of it? how in your warped mind does that work?

You thought this was a debate you could win?, as it turned out, it was a debate you LOST when I used your own words to hang you with.


Thanks again you for contributing.