Obama’s Muslim Advisers Block Middle Eastern Christians’ Access to the White !!!

[Gee]

http://bigpeace.com/elcid/2011/10/25...e-white-house/

I can not understand what is going on inside the white house since obama ruling that country !

[Bill F.]

I hope you didn't think he cared. Sorry.

[Gerry]

Please don't tell me people in the middle east read Andrew Breitbart's column and take it a actual and factual U.S. foreign policy.

[Bill F.]

Doc, I'm sure you know that Gee is closer to the blunt edge of USA foreign policy in that region than either of us. Rather than hear what some rubbish network like CNN or even Fox has to say I'd like to hear what locals are saying. From my perspective Obama seems completely uninterested in foreign affairs. Even annoyed by them.

[Gerry]

Doc, I'm sure you know that Gee is closer to the blunt edge of USA foreign policy in that region than either of us. Rather than hear what some rubbish network like CNN or even Fox has to say I'd like to hear what locals are saying. From my perspective Obama seems completely uninterested in foreign affairs. Even annoyed by them.

When someone quotes a source and that source is Breitbart sponsored, then you should truly question the validity of the information.

The "by line" leaves a lot to be desired.

[Raider]

Anytime a Liberal calls into a question the credibility of a conservative commentator, you KNOW it's credible.

Doc, I'm sure you know that Gee is closer to the blunt edge of USA foreign policy in that region than either of us. Rather than hear what some rubbish network like CNN or even Fox has to say I'd like to hear what locals are saying. From my perspective Obama seems completely uninterested in foreign affairs. Even annoyed by them.

Well said.. I would take the opinions of "Gee" in Egypt over a hick in North Carolina any day.

[Gerry]

Ah, yes twit.

Lets take the word of Gee that he is going by what is printed and he posted the link as the source rather than take it from me.

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Ah, yes, let your senses be swept away.

There are those who would love for you to believe that Obama is too "muslim". When that does not work, let's portray him as being too "christian". When that does not work, lets portray him as being soft on foreign policy.

For all you dolts out there, please be sure to see Gee's previous thread:

http://www.dnforum.com/f254/us-funde...ad-467372.html

Blame Mubarak for being a puppet of Obama. When Mubarak is gone, blame the military for being a puppet of Obama. Blame the US for everything and anything but above all...do not blame Egypt.

Do not blame the Islamic Egyptians for turning on and killing their Christian Egyptian neighbors. No. Blame the military who responded this mob. And blame the US for being behind the military who responded to the riots.

Do not blame the Egyptians who killed other Egytians. Do not blame the Egyptians who have yet to form a government. Blame the military and blame the US.

So please do sign that petition. And please start another petition because someone in breitbarts establishment reported that someone in Obama's administration (a Christian) reported that a meeting was canceled because that person was an Egyptian Muslim. Therefore, Obama is anti Egypt, anti Muslim, and pro christian, and pro egyptian military.

[Bill F.]

Doc, it's very hard to argue when you don't make a point. You're all over the map with that last comment, and none of it addresses Obama rebuffing a meeting with a Christian representative from the region who wanted to discuss their persecution in the Mid East. This is very similar to him sending the Dalai Lama out past the trash to avoid offending the Chinese. To the degree that the US has a foreign policy, these things have to be explained- straw man arguments aside.

[Gerry]

It's no surprise that when you google dalia mogahed cancels meeting, there are 43,600 unheard of sources all pointing back to Breitbart's piece written by an un-named middle east correspondent.

Another attempt to make Obama too muslim for the likes of Christians here in the US.

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Doc, it's very hard to argue when you don't make a point.

The point is an unreliable, un-named source(s).

I can not find a single recognized, named source that has this story. This is the propaganda that is being spread?

And if there was such a meeting and if such a meeting were canceled, I wonder how many other hundreds of meetings get canceled?

[Bill F.]

Funny, I found articles in the Pittsburgh Post Gazette, the Jerusalem Post. The latter says:
The Obama administration was even less sympathetic. Rai is now travelling through the US and Latin America on a three week visit to émigré Maronite communities. The existence of these communities is a direct result of Arab and Islamic persecution of Lebanese Maronite Christians.

Rai’s visit to the US was supposed to begin with a visit to Washington and meetings with senior administration officials including President Barack Obama. Yet, following his statement in Paris, the administration cancelled all of its scheduled meetings with him. That is, rather than consider the dangers that Rai warned about and use US influence to increase the power of Christians and Kurds and other minorities in any post- Assad Syrian government, the Obama administration decided to blackball Rai for pointing out the dangers.

So, not just one meeting with Obama, but all meetings with anyone in his administration were cancelled. I doubt that happens to hundreds of people.

[Gerry]

See the very last line of this piece.

http://cnsblog.wordpress.com/2011/10...de-washington/

Again, nearly everything points back to a Breitbart backed op-ed that is un-attributed to anyone.

Isn't that a good source of propaganda?

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A Lebanonese News Channel
http://www.lbcgroup.tv/news/5352/us-...ncel-rais-visa
According to As-Safir daily, the U.S. Embassy in Lebanon will not consider any measures to cancel Maronite Patriarch Bshara Rai’s visa for the United States, pointing out that until now the White House has not scheduled any meeting for Rai with the American President Barack Obama.

http://www.statestimes.net/2012/10/p...arty%E2%80%9D/
Rai kicked οff a three week pastoral visit tο thе US οn October 1. Unlike hіѕ predecessor hе іѕ nοt expected tο meet аnу US officials, nοr bе invited tο thе white house

[Raider]

Were using "Blogs" as reputable news sources?

LMAO! Talk about desperate.

Doc, it's very hard to argue when you don't make a point. You're all over the map with that last comment,

When it's a point he doesn't like, he detracts from it, moving the reader away from the original point and attacking the opposition on another point... He's done this for years, and discrediting the OP and attacking the source is nothing new either, We must ALL see things from his perspective and his perspective ONLY and if we don't were all "dolts"

Lets take the word of Gee that he is going by what is printed and he posted the link as the source rather than take it from me.

Let's

"Take it from me"

Why would I take anything from you? do you honestly think I have respect for anything you post in this section? I DON'T .

[Gerry]

Why do you repeat every thing everyone else says about you?

Here's a quiz, butch. Prove me wrong. Prove that the message and source gee posted is factual and true. Prove a Breitbart sponsored story from an un-named middle eastern correspondent is true and factual.

Prove the sources I posted, one directly from the Lebanese itself, that I am wrong. Prove to me why a supposed holy christian man, a supporter of Hezbollah (a terrorist group) and a supporter of the King of Syria (currently slaughtering his own people) has enough influence to have had an appointment scheduled with Obama only to have that meeting canceled by the muslims in the white house.

Prove it. Or did you bother read a fvcking word of anything or did you just attempt to act like you knew what the fvck you were talking about.

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Um, dumbfvck. That blog is the Catholic News Service, the same group that this Rai supposedly is part of.

Amazing, ain't it? Even the group that supports and reports on its own going-ons is to be totally discredited simply because, egad...its a wordpress blog.

[Gee]

news websites are quoting the same report adding more analysis
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=361725
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/41729

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see how most presidential candidates are different than obama
A President Gingrich would 'aggressively' probe CAIR
He wants an AG who would look at prosecuting Muslim Brotherhood groups
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=345573

Cain: If I win, I'll prosecute CAIR
'I don't see what the hesitation is. We can't do business with terrorists'
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=349725

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in brief : AMERICANS MUST STAND AGAINST MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD
http://www.newswithviews.com/Roth/laurie290.htm

[Gerry]

news websites are quoting the same report adding more analysis

Yet you do not believe the Lebanese news reporting he never had a meeting scheduled?


Did you know this same supposed catholic cleric has expressed support for Hezbollah and the Palestine movement and has expressed support for Syria's Assad.


So why would a cleric who has publicaly voiced support for a terrorist organization and who has claimed Syria's Assad is good for Syria's Christians...why would someone who supports terrorism and a ruler who slaughters his own people get a visit with the US president.

[Gee]

Middle east christian leaders have not many options whether to support or not to support dictators. christians are not holy fighters, they are peace makers.

They only need support from the advanced world. if obama is not helping for whatever reason . We will urge americans to pressure him or change him next elections.

it is not a matter of conservatives vs republicans or different opinions.... it is a matter of life or death to us !

[Bill F.]

....prove a Breitbart sponsored story from an un-named middle eastern correspondent is true and factual.
Prove the sources I posted, one directly from the Lebanese itself, that I am wrong.

Did you translate this from Lebanese Arabic yourself? The Breitbart story was also translated from a Lebanese news source, and it was named. How many languages do you speak? Have you ever been to the Middle East? Have you ever spent much time in a non-English speaking country? I ask, because monolingual people tend to think that translation is very straightforward and usually correct, when in fact it's not. Can you identify the translator of the story you read? If not, then it is just as "anonymous" as the Breitbart story. Maybe more so.

Gee's life is literally on the line here. He's not playing with words or trying to be clever. What's your motivation?

@Gee: Sorry, but this is the kind of insipid debate that goes on in the US while people on the ground suffer. I think it's in our interest as well not to allow Egypt to slip into extremism, but to most Americans it's just words from that place with pyramids and stuff (if they even know that). I wish you luck. If it's any help, whoever the next president is, it will likely be an improvement over the current one in your case.

[Gerry]

It does not matter what the story is, what the source is, and what the story is IF this story is false. Rai never had a meeting with the the white house scheduled, this from many identified sources.

Look up Rai's speech in Paris. He said Hezbollah needs to keeps its arms (weapons) even though the Lebanese government was asking them to disarm. The reason for keeping their arms was to take back lands from Israel. Now, does this sound like a good Catholic friend and a man of peace? He also went on to say that the world needs to give Assad more time to implement his planned changes (while thousands of syrians have lost their lives).

Does this sound like someone who would get an invite to the white house? Perhaps another beer summit?

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Did you translate this from Lebanese Arabic yourself?

I am at the mercy of the news agency itself and its ability to translate to english.

The Breitbart story was also translated from a Lebanese news source, and it was named.

From a Middle East correspondent: is hardly a named source

How many languages do you speak?

Including English, 5

Have you ever been to the Middle East?

Turkey and countries in eastern/central Africa is the closest I have gotten.

Have you ever spent much time in a non-English speaking country?

nearly 5 years.

I ask, because monolingual people tend to think that translation is very straightforward and usually correct, when in fact it's not.

does not apply

Can you identify the translator of the story you read? If not, then it is just as "anonymous" as the Breitbart story. Maybe more so.

yes.

Gee's life is literally on the line here. He's not playing with words or trying to be clever. What's your motivation?

his previous many anti-american threads which essentially blames america for every thing, including the latest riots/crackdowns going on in egypt.

[Raider]

Why do you repeat every thing everyone else says about you?

"everyone" as in knee jerk leftists such as yourself who dismiss what conservatives post? That's NOT everyone, that's a group.. Learn the difference.

Prove me wrong. Prove that the message and source gee posted is factual and true.

Andrew Briebart and all the other trusted news organizations have already proven you WRONG, They've proven to me beyond a reasonable doubt and that's all that matters... You on the other hand haven't proven sh*t, You FAILED to provide any proof to the contrary other than links to BLOGS that you later cherry picked to support your position. Desperate and stupid as always.

I find it ironic that you expect us to post proof when you FAILED to post proof when you repeated inaccurate statements from the media, like the claim that Tea Party members spit at members of the Black Caucus, or the falsehood that Colin Powell was setup by the Bush Administration, or the repeated claims the Tea Party is a racist organization without any proof other than a few picket signs and your big fvcking mouth.

Prove the sources I posted,

Before I do that, I have one question; Since "Blogs" are now deemed reputable news sources by YOUR standards, I trust that posting of other blogs will suffice, Or do the BLOGS have to be approved by the almighty Father Gerry prior to posting? We await your instructions Father.

I'm afraid the ONLY dumb fvck in this thread is the one who's on a ego trip, that would be YOU Gerry, the man with a narcissistic personality, a egocentric who refuses to lose, who has an inflated sense of his self importance, who thinks he's superior to others, who (as domainace put it) thinks he can strongman his way to winning arguments.

Watching any football today Gerry? Maybe during halftime you can Google some more blogs, Maybe you'll come across one that supports the claim that Obama is fiscally responsible, and we can finally put the rumor that Obama added $4.5 Trillion dollars to the national debt under his leadership... lol.

[Gerry]

Then let Gee denounce these stories as nonsense.

Let Gee do his own translation from Arabic to English.

http://www.almanar.com.lb/english/ad...=1&seccatid=14
http://www.naharnet.com/stories/en/1...-to-washington
http://www.naharnet.com/stories/en/1...ks-controversy
http://www.lebanonews.net/mainhl.asp?hlid=8098
Al-Rahi Skips Washington as he Kicks off his U.S. Tour on Oct. 4
27 September 2011
Maronite Patriarch Beshara al-Rahi will skip Washington in his U.S. tour after he was informed that “the time was not appropriate to arrange a meeting with the U.S. president,” informed sources told An Nahar daily on Tuesday.

Al-Rahi will begin his pastoral trip on Oct. 4. His first stop will be the city of Saint Louis in Missouri. The patriarch’s visit until Oct. 23 will include stops in Maronite parishes in the states of Illinois, Ohio, Texas, California, New York, Pennsylvania, Massachusetts and others. On Oct. 21, he is scheduled to hold talks with U.N. chief Ban Ki-moon. The patriarch was at first scheduled to arrive in Washington on Oct. 1 but later changed the date after he was informed about the “inappropriate timing to arrange a meeting” between him and President Barack Obama, the informed Lebanese and U.S. sources told An Nahar.

Official U.S. sources confirmed to the newspaper that al-Rahi’s latest statements on Hizbullah’s arms and the situation in Syria have angered Washington. The last meeting held between him and U.S. Ambassador Maura Connelly was “honest and friendly,” they stressed after reports said that al-Rahi informed the diplomat that he was holding onto his stances. His statements have sparked controversy. Al-Rahi has linked the fate of Hizbullah’s weapons to the liberation of the remaining occupied Lebanese territories and has called for giving Syrian President Bashar Assad the chance to introduce reform for fears that the rise of the Muslim Brotherhood to power would harm Christians in the region.