Raider

Flip-Flops and outright Lies are two different things and Obama has done plenty of both.

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I've heard plenty of lies from McCain and Palin in the last 30 days to keep Pinocchio's lunchbag full for a year.

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Devil Dog

So Obama's been running for President since 1999?

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Raider

Your not that ignorant DD, you know what campaign I'm referring to, you even have the year wrong.

Fact; In 1995 Obama launched his campaign for the Illinois Senate from Ayers' home.

Fact; In 2001, Ayers told the New York Times;

“I don't regret setting bombs; I feel we didn't do enough,”

Fact; Ayers has been a fundraiser to Obama's past campaigns.

Fact; Neither Ayers or Obama will explicitly comment about their relationship, Why?

If you want, we can talk about Obama's relationship with Tony Rezko as well, A Chicago slumlord and developer convicted in July on 12 counts of wire and mail fraud.

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H2FC

Raider, if you really want to know the truth about the Ayers/Obama relationship (which I doubt you do) just go to this FactCheck.org site and read about it. http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...ill_ayers.html

FactCheck.org is a nonpartisan nonprofit organization....read more about them on their site.

I trust this will put to rest your uninformed and misleading posts on the subject.

tas38

If you want the truth about Bill Ayers as it goes towards obama, go to obama home at the time. Obama can not be held for what Bill Ayers did, and by the way many see what ayers did the republicans fault. They sent young military men to die, and just left them there many fight the republicans from the dems side. I think fighting for military young men, was indeed a worth while thing to do at the time.

Today it's a little different, but dems are fighting for our military now as well. People should look at republcian history, then go way back messing everything them blaming every else. You would think they would have learned by now, but here we are again with the same thing from the republicans. Research the facts, and what ayers did has nothing to do with obama. The suntimes article on the matter......

( Who is Bill Ayers? )

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politic...yers18.article

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Raider

Is it partisan or non partisan when the author down plays one point of view and boost the other? So much for Factcheck being "non partisan"...

The big difference between you and me is this; You like someone to spoon feed you the facts, Where I let the facts speak for themselves.

I like this line;

We find McCain's accusation that Obama "lied" to be groundless. It is true that recently released records show half a dozen or so more meetings between the two men than were previously known, but Obama never denied working with Ayers.



Nothing misleading about the facts I posted, Is a matter a fact, Factcheck. org, the site you reference, confirms it!


Despite the fairly mainstream life he lives now, though, Bill Ayers' image took a hit with an article that appeared in the New York Times on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001. Ayers was quoted in the lead paragraph as saying, ''I don't regret setting bombs'' and "I feel we didn't do enough." The interview had been conducted earlier, in connection with the publication of Ayers' memoir of his years as a fugitive. But when the quotes appeared on the same day thousands died at the World Trade Center and elsewhere, they enraged his critics.

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tas38

If I remember right both obama and mccain flip flopped, and said some lies as well as clinton as well. So both have been less then honest, that makes the score card about the same on lieing.

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JMJ

Raider are you aware that Bush's Grandfather was a war profiteer that worked for the company which funded Hitler. And was accused of being involved in a plot to overthrow Roosevelt in order to "Adopt the policies of Hitler and Mussolini to beat the great depression.". A depression which was something very similar to whats going on right now and caused by him and his buddies.

His son was a war profiteer which started an unjust war in Iraq (and before you go there, the people who were gassed have been proven to have died by Iran's weapons obtained from the Soviets.) even if he did Rumsfeld's company was the one who sold it to them. And he presided over the S&L scandal.

His Grandson started 2 now proven to be false wars and presided over his own banking scandal and the evidence is pretty clear now that he allowed the World Trade center and Pentagon acts to happen to further his agenda. There is mounting evidence that you won't see on your regular news channel that 9-11 was a scam on the American people. The actual 'terrorists" were funded by our government and it has even been proven that several were trained and lived on US bases. Several of the others who were said to have died in the crashes have been found alive and well. Are you aware that is a fact that Cheney knew the plane heading towards Washington was doing so atleast 30 minutes before (someone was even counting down the minutes) and he didn't allow the military to scramble to intercept? ANd the only reason they were'nt in the air anyways was because NORAD was running a field exercise that same day detailing the exact same senario?

Do you see a trend here?

If you think that Bill Ayers and the Weather Underground are terrorists because they did whatever they could to stop another false war Vietnam war > "Gulf of Tonkin incident" and if you think Presidents and other countries in cahoots won't kill their own people to further their agenda then search "Israeli planes USS Liberty". McCains father was involved in that cover up.

Oh and by the way we gave the nuclear technology China who is now selling it to Iran. hmm Another agenda in the works?

Take off your blinders and see that these people think they are some sort of gift to the world from God and feel that they can do anything and everything they want to gain more power and money. If you're party's candidate some how gets into office you may want to head on back to the homeland because I think you'll be seeing many Bill Ayers "terrorist types" running around the US before it's all over with. These freaks want nothing more than to take all of your money and let you die. If you just spent several days walking around the desert of Arizona McCain and the likes wouldn't piss down your throat to save your life if his or theirs depended on it. He proved that when his pu$$y a$$ spilled his guts to his captors. That's probably why his dad was bombing the crap out of the area where he was to shut his punk a$$ up.

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Gregcyber

Ok, I will ask Obama a few questions

Me
Obama

Senator Obama, What is your relation ship with Rev Wright?

I go to his sermons every week, I'm a christian.

Did you know Rev. Wright claims the USA should be spelled KKK?

I never knew what that met, I thought he was taking about history.

Do you know Rev. Wright will verbally Damn God in the house of the Lord?

I thought he was saying a Prayer.

I, I, I guess I should find a new pastor.

Sentor Obama Do you know Bill Ayers.

I should find a new pastor?

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Raider

Uhhhhhhhhh......No, Is he running for President?

Deflecting away from the issues will get you nowhere.

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JMJ

You keep talking about Ayers being a terrorist. Well he wasn't he was an American defending his country in the only way he knew how. If it weren't for protesters like him there's no telling how long we might have been there. The way I see it is people like him probably saved hundreds of thousands of lives. He must have a lot more friends than Obama being named "Man of the Year" in his city. That war was a hoax just as Bush and McCain's wars are. And they are using false pretenses to try and start a 3rd. Bush, McCain and that whole group of lowlifes want nothing but more war, power and money and they will do anything they possibly can including killing their own civilians to do it.

Let's talk about another delusional Republican party member Arnold Schwarzenegger who's dad was a ranking officer in Hitlers army. He's been quoted by family members and friends to have had dreams of ruling the world. Hmmm Another one of those presidential hopefuls. Thank god his Austria born a$$ got shot down. Him and his gay porn photo shoots. I'm sure the only reason they have him around is because all of those closeted republicans have his naked pictures on their gym locker doors. He was probably the Bohemian Grove boytoy when he was younger.

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Raider

Either you dont know the facts or you completely lost your mind.



Radical history

Further information: Weatherman (organization)
Ayers became involved in the New Left and the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS).[7] He rose to national prominence as an SDS leader in 1968 and 1969. As head of an SDS regional group, the "Jesse James Gang", Ayers made decisive contributions to the Weatherman orientation toward militancy.[5]The group Ayers headed in Detroit, Michigan became one of the earliest gatherings of what became the Weatherman. Between the 1968 Democratic National Convention in Chicago and the June 1969 SDS convention, Ayers became a prominent leader of the group, which arose as a result of a schism in SDS.[5]"During that time his infatuation with street fighting grew and he developed a language of confrontational militancy that became more and more pronounced over the year [1969]", disaffected former Weatherman member Cathy Wilkerson wrote in 2001. Ayers had previously become a roommate of Terry Robbins, a fellow militant, Wilkerson wrote. Robbins would later be killed while making a bomb.[8]In June 1969, the Weatherman took control of the SDS at its national convention, where Ayers was elected Education Secretary.[5] Later in 1969, Ayers participated in planting a bomb at a statue dedicated to riot police casualties in the 1886 Haymarket Riot confrontation between labor supporters and the police.[9] The blast broke almost 100 windows and blew pieces of the statue onto the nearby Kennedy Expressway.[10] (The statue was rebuilt and unveiled on May 4, 1970, and blown up again by other Weathermen on October 6, 1970.[11][10] Rebuilding it yet again, the city posted a 24-hour police guard to prevent another blast.[10]) Ayers participated in the Days of Rage riot in Chicago in October 1969, and in December was at the "War Council" meeting in Flint, Michigan. Larry Grathwohl, an FBI informant in the Weatherman group from the fall of 1969 to the spring of 1970, thought that "Ayers, along with Bernardine Dohrn, probably had the most authority within the Weatherman".[12]

In 1970 he "went underground" with several associates after the Greenwich Village townhouse explosion, in which Weatherman member Ted Gold, Ayers' close friend Terry Robbins, and Ayers' girlfriend, Diana Oughton, were killed when a nail bomb (an anti-personnel device) they were assembling exploded. Kathy Boudin and Cathy Wilkerson survived the blast. Ayers was not facing criminal charges at the time, but the federal government later filed charges against him.[2]Ayers participated in the bombings of New York City Police Headquarters in 1970, the United States Capitol building in 1971, and The Pentagon in 1972, as he noted in his 2001 book, Fugitive Days. Because of a water leak caused by the Pentagon bombing, aerial bombardments during the Vietnam War had to be halted for several days. Ayers writes:

Although the bomb that rocked the Pentagon was itsy-bitsy - weighing close to two pounds - it caused 'tens of thousands of dollars' of damage. The operation cost under $500, and no one was killed or even hurt. [13]

Years underground

While underground, he and fellow member Bernardine Dohrn married, and the two remained fugitives together, changing identities, jobs and locations. By 1976 or 1977, with federal charges against both fugitives dropped due to prosecutorial misconduct (see COINTELPRO), Ayers was ready to turn himself in to authorities, but Dohrn remained reluctant until after she gave birth to two sons, one born in 1977, the other in 1980. "He was sweet and patient, as he always is, to let me come to my senses on my own", she later said.[2] The couple turned themselves in to authorities in 1980. Ayers and Dohrn later became legal guardians to the son of former Weathermen David Gilbert and Kathy Boudin after the boy's parents were convicted and sent to prison for their part in the Brinks Robbery of 1981.[14]



Statements made in 2001

Chicago Magazine reported that "just before the September 11th attacks," Richard Elrod, a city lawyer injured in the Weathermen's Chicago "Days of Rage," received an apology from Ayers and Dohrn for their part in the violence. "[T]hey were remorseful," Elrod says. "They said, 'We're sorry that things turned out this way.'"[18] In the months before Ayers' memoir was published on September 10, 2001, the author gave numerous interviews with newspaper and magazine writers in which he defended his overall history of radical words and actions. Some of the resulting articles were written just before the September 11 terrorist attacks and appeared immediately after, including one often-noted article in The New York Times, and another in the Chicago Tribune. Numerous observations were made in the media comparing the statements Ayers was making about his own past just as a dramatic new terrorist incident shocked the public.

Much of the controversy about Ayers during the decade since 2000 stems from an interview he gave to The New York Times on the occasion of the memoir's publication.[19] The reporter quoted him as saying "I don't regret setting bombs" and "I feel we didn't do enough", and, when asked if he would "do it all again" as saying "I don't want to discount the possibility."[14] Ayers has not denied the quotes, but he protested the interviewer's characterizations in a Letter to the Editor published September 15, 2001: "This is not a question of being misunderstood or 'taken out of context', but of deliberate distortion."[20]

In the ensuing years, Ayers has repeatedly avowed that when he said he had "no regrets" and that "we didn't do enough" he was speaking only in reference to his efforts to stop the United States from waging the Vietnam War, efforts which he has described as ". . . inadequate [as] the war dragged on for a decade."[21] Ayers has maintained that the two statements were not intended to imply a wish they had set more bombs.[21][22]

The interviewer also quoted some of Ayers' own criticism of Weatherman in the foreword to the memoir, whereby Ayers reacts to having watched Emile de Antonio's 1976 documentary film about Weatherman, Underground: "[Ayers] was 'embarrassed by the arrogance, the solipsism, the absolute certainty that we and we alone knew the way. The rigidity and the narcissism.' "[14] "We weren't terrorists," Ayers told an interviewer for the Chicago Tribune in 2001. "The reason we weren't terrorists is because we did not commit random acts of terror against people. Terrorism was what was being practiced in the countryside of Vietnam by the United States."[2]

In a letter to the editor in the Chicago Tribune, Ayers wrote, "I condemn all forms of terrorism — individual, group and official". He also condemned the September 11 terrorist attacks in that letter. "Today we are witnessing crimes against humanity on our own shores on an unthinkable scale, and I fear that we may soon see more innocent people in other parts of the world dying in response."[23]



Views on his past expressed since 2001

Ayers was asked in a January 2004 interview, "How do you feel about what you did? Would you do it again under similar circumstances?" He replied:[24] "I've thought about this a lot. Being almost 60, it's impossible to not have lots and lots of regrets about lots and lots of things, but the question of did we do something that was horrendous, awful? ... I don't think so. I think what we did was to respond to a situation that was unconscionable." On September 9, 2008, journalist Jake Tapper reported on the comic strip in Bill Ayers's blog explaining the soundbite: "The one thing I don't regret is opposing the war in Vietnam with every ounce of my being.... When I say, 'We didn't do enough,' a lot of people rush to think, 'That must mean, "We didn't bomb enough shit."' But that's not the point at all. It's not a tactical statement, it's an obvious political and ethical statement. In this context, 'we' means 'everyone.'"........More > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers


An American defending his country? Are you OK?

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hmm nobody was hurt while other protesters were being killed, beaten, and jailed. I guess I should also mention the 58,219 soldiers dead from the falsified war.

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Raider

This is the typical Liberal response, Whenever you guys cant answer for your own party, you always revert to the war in Iraq... I find it incredible that you or anyone else would try to justify the blowing up of Government buildings.

All of you gather around, This is what a Liberal SPIN looks like;

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