Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize

[JMJ]

oh, thats what made you go on this rampage of trying to bring Obama into what I said, another cute angle shoot... Look at the next post of mine, which is a response to a comment.

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Let me see if we can get YOU straight. Again I don't like Bush. You implied that I did in your next post. This thread is about OBAMA recieving a nobel peace prize when he hasn't done a damn thing but continue the agenda. The same agenda Bush was on. Just a smooth talking new face.

[Mike Cruz]

Let me see if we can get YOU straight. I don't like Bush. You implied that I did in your next post. This thread is about OBAMA.

My response was about actions needed to be taken with Afghanistan... Not that I said or implied that these were Obama's plans, but MY opinion on what needs to be done.

It's cute the way you try to flip things to justify how wrong you are, it's so hypocritical, it's laughable.

[Seraphim]

Yet, you are a resident of this state, but you choose to live in Poland? Tax reasons? Don't like our country? Don't like our president?

Want to claim to care so much about your state, this country, you are such a patriot, but you live in a foreign country, spending your money in a foreign country (I don't care that you do this, actually A+ to you). Seems a bit hypocritical to me...

Taxes? Don't like my country? I own two residences on two continents, love the heck out of both places, and you're flicking me shit over that life style? Living in Oregon and Poland is like enjoying cheese and wine. Two really is better than one in this case, give it a try before you knock it. And taxes here are 50%+, hardly the Cayman Islands.

Hypocrite? If you're such a bad ass patriot, then suit up man. Head down to your local recruitment center. It's easy to send people to die for shit you wouldn't die for yourself, isn't it?

The only way the Afghanis can rebuild their country, is if the war ends, and our troops pull out. They seem to be leaning towards an Islamic theocracy, and that is their God given right. If eventually the people find themselves unhappy under the Taliban rule, then they'll have to deal with it. Afghan jihadists didn't help us kick the British out of States. People have to man up and take care of business themselves. We're not the world's police force...

[Mike Cruz]

Hypocrite? If you're such a bad ass patriot, then suit up man. Head down to your local recruitment center. It's easy to send people to die for shit you wouldn't die for yourself, isn't it?

I am not the one who is trying to claim to be such a patriot. I want our troops to come home just as much as the next guy. But really think about what you are saying, seems really selfish if you ask me.

The only way the Afghanis can rebuild their country themselves, is if the war ends, and our troops pull out. They seem to be leaning towards an Islamic theocracy, and that is their God given right. If eventually the people find themselves unhappy under the Taliban rule, then they'll have to deal with it. Afghan jihadists didn't help us kick the British out of North America. People have to man up and take care of business themselves. We're not the world's police force...

You can say that now, but our government has put themselves in this position by trying to be the world's police force. But now where there are real issues and people that actually need our help, lets abandon them? Seriously...

[JMJ]

My response was about actions needed to be taken with Afghanistan... Not that I said or implied that these were Obama's plans, but MY opinion on what needs to be done.

It's cute the way you try to flip things to justify how wrong you are, it's so hypocritical, it's laughable.

Me flipping? My thoughts on Obama should be pretty obvious by now. I still don't know what your argument is besides "Bush is the worst president in history" which I will say Obama is going to top him by leaps and bounds.

[Seraphim]

I am not the one who is trying to claim to be such a patriot. I want our troops to come home just as much as the next guy. But really think about what you are saying, seems really selfish if you ask me.

What the fu-ck are you talking about Rain Man? I want tax dollars spent on my own state, not Afghanistan. How is that selfish? Bombing wedding parties and funerals over there for Halliburton is your idea of helping people out? The poverty there is worse than ever before, do some reading finally.

You can say that now, but our government has put themselves in this position by trying to be the world's police force. But now where there are real issues and people that actually need our help, lets abandon them? Seriously...

Want our help, they're sending us home in body bags for destroying their country. Are you high on crack? Do you have a tv?

[JMJ]

From the Nobel Peace Prize winning horses mouth

Press TV
Wed, 07 Oct 2009 11:24 EDT

Afghanistan and Pakistan are not the Pentagon's sole targets in its war on terror, says Obama adding that the US will not hesitate to attack anywhere it deems a threat.

US President Barack Obama, speaking at the Counterterrorism Center in McLean Virginia on Tuesday, pledged that the US would target al-Qaeda "wherever they take root" and do everything to wipe out safe havens, where Osama bin Laden's network can plot against the United States.

"The United States and our partners have sent an unmistakable message: We will target al-Qaida wherever they take root," he said, Xinhua reported.

The US president cited East Africa, Southeast Asia, Europe and the Persian Gulf in addition to Afghanistan and Pakistan, as the hotbeds for terrorist activities and what he called threats against Washington.

Obama's speech was reminiscent of his predecessor George W. Bush's notorious 'Bush doctrine', which says the United States has 'the right' to launch preemptive strikes on countries that pose a threat to the US security.

"We will not yield in our pursuit; and we are developing the capacity and the cooperation to deny a safe haven to any who threaten America and its allies," said Obama.

With its primary mission to synchronize the fight on terrorism, the National Counterterrorism Center (NCTC) was established in 2001 on the hills of the 9/11 attacks on the US soil.

The center, a government agency under the Director of National Intelligence, coordinate and share data with US government departments and agencies and US foreign partners.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id...tionid=3510203

[DomainsInc]

What the fu-ck are you talking about Rain Man? I want tax dollars spent on my own state, not Afghanistan. How is that selfish? Bombing wedding parties and funerals over there for Halliburton is your idea of helping people out? The poverty there is worse than ever before, do some reading finally.



Want our help, they're sending us home in body bags for destroying their country. Are you high on crack? Do you have a tv?

While I don't agree with what the US is doing in Afganistan, the have more of a reason to be there than Iraq. Regardless I am sick of Canadians dying in Afganistan, and for what? Nothing will be achieved. Its hard to fight people who have nothing to lose.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id...tionid=3510203

Could you post a more obscure source?

[Seraphim]

While I don't agree with what the US is doing in Afganistan, the have more of a reason to be there than Iraq. Regardless I am sick of Canadians dying in Afganistan, and for what? Nothing will be achieved. Its hard to fight people who have nothing to lose.

The West will continue to hunt Al-Qaeda I'm sure, but we should really back off the Taliban. At this point our own military has probably killed more Afghani citizens than the Taliban ever did. Obviously they're a brutal regime, but our own Federal government has killed and starved far more people. It's really time for a domestic focus in my opinion, time to weed out the corruption, bring some jobs back to the economy, and start focusing on space exploration, medicine, etc...

[Mike Cruz]

I am sorry, I forgot only Terrorist live in Afghanistan...

If our focus from the get go was Afghanistan, we wouldn't be having this discussion right now. Instead Bush decided to use Afghanistan just to have our soldiers ready over there to invade Iraq and leave Afghanistan abandoned, as they did with a limited supply of soldiers and arms.

We can go on forever about this situation and get no where... You can say you are for your people, I can say I am for all people, no matter the country. In the end we will all be just people, with no labels.

This division is why we have this problem today.

[JMJ]

Could you post a more obscure source?

Did you miss the part where it's all quoted from a speech he made? If it makes you feel better here's the text of the speech itself

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art...ter_98596.html

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[JMJ]

Obama, Kissinger, Wilson, Roosevelt and Moniz.

Quick. What do Barack Obama, Woodrow Wilson, Theodore Roosevelt, Henry Kissinger and Egar Moniz have in common? All won the Nobel Prize, the first four for "peace" either as sitting presidents, or in Kissinger's case, while his bombs were falling on innocents in Vietnam. Moniz won the prize in Physiology or Medicine for his invention of the lobotomy. Of these five he wrought the least carnage.

Today we awoke to news that Obama was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. Some looked quick to see whether it was April 1. Most often folks mumbled resignedly "War is Peace." I prefer the Vietnam era formulation that warring for peace is like fu**ing for virginity. A few wept tears of disappointment, certainly mainstream Medea Benjamin who, having recently come out definitively as a hawk, must have thought that with this adjustment the Nobel was certainly in sight. Code Pink needs a new name now. Justin Raimondo suggests Code Yellow. But I believe Whores for Wars might be better. (That would only apply to Medea and the national leadership, many of the local Code Pinkers being genuine anti-interventionists who cannot stomach the narcissistic national leadership like mainstream Medea.)

My good friend and Israeli expat Joshua was at first afraid he was having a bad dream or that the Nobel committee was working a cruel joke. After all, Joshua reasoned, Obama is war criminal, who has engineered the biggest military spending in human history, who daily drops bombs on innocents, women and children in at least three countries, Afghanistan, Iraq and Pakistan, who supports the worst war criminals and lodges some in his administration, who destroyed in a few months the "hope" for a peace in the middle east. The western world has gone crazy, no doubt, says Joshua. And since war is now peace we might rename all organizations appropriately - United for War and Justice, War Action, and so on.

This led Joshua to predictions for future Nobels.

Next year, literature: Obama for "The Audacity of Hope" - the greatest fiction ever.

Next year, economy: Obama - creating a new statistical metric for recovery.

Next year, peace: Bush/Cheney - based on Obama's peace prize precedent.

Year after, peace: Netanyahu - the man behind Obama's peace in the Middle East.

But to this writer we witness the second repetition of history. The US Empire's first great colonial war on the Asian mainland in the last half century was Truman's Korean war. This was repeated as tragedy in Vietnam at the hands of the Best and Brightest, with Johnson and Kennedy in the lead. And now the Iraq/AfPak war comes at us from Bush and Obama and Congresses both Democrat and Republic. If Vietnam was tragedy, then certainly Iraq/AfPak is farce. There were no WMD in Iraq and everyone knew it. By the military's own admission there are about 100 Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan, so the US troops are not there because of Al-Qaeda - and everyone knows it.

Now the ultimate comedic turn comes with the award to Obama of the Nobel War Prize. Perhaps the antiwar movement needs to adjust its tone from pure outrage to ridicule. After all Obama and the elite running this country are without clothes as they parade before us as men of peace, puffed up with talk of fake health care reform and assuring us of economic recovery that provides no jobs. It would be hard to make this stuff up. And through our tears at the predicament we are in, we can at least ridicule these hypocritical murderers. They deserve to be seen clearly as the cruel and absurd hollow men that they are. They march before us unknowingly naked.

http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/10/...-to-stockholm/


Martha Rose Crow
SOTT.net
Fri, 09 Oct 2009 14:55 EDT

Right after Christmas, my nephew is leaving for another tour in Afghanistan. My Sister's heart and my heart are broken. The chances are good that this time he's coming back in a box with a flag on top of it.

But in many ways, he's dead already. Like many soldiers who've come back from the middle east, he's wired on self-destruct. My Sister has told me that she can't count the times she's taken guns away from him when he was threatening suicide because those times have been so many.

When I was a child, I was highly idealistic. I wanted to swim the English Channel. I wanted to live an exceptional life. I wanted to graduate from the university and perform work that would improve the lives of others. I wanted to be a peace maker and I wanted to earn a Nobel Peace Prize.

Back then, I didn't know about the dirty money connected with the prizes; that they came from money made from munitions or that the principal of the endowment was invested in more implements of war and/or of human oppression like capitalism that rapes the world for cheap natural resources and cheap human labor.

My childhood idealism about the Nobel Peace Prize waned a long time ago. It took awhile, but I learned that it was awarded by elites to politically 'frame the culture' of 'peace' and/or use the awardee as propaganda for the elite. It seemed to me that too many of the real peace makers are never awarded any prizes for their work and that too many heads of states are awarded it instead.

In the book 1984 by George Orwell, 'War is Peace' and 'Peace is War'. Orwell's book paints a psychopathic universe where reality is the opposite of what it really is. In Oceana, the place where the book takes place, Lies Rule: they Become the Truth. The whole place is built upon the lies of the 'party' or the ruling elite.

When I saw that Obama had 'won' the Nobel Peace Prize, I almost fell out of my chair. He's only nine months into his presidency and he has done nothing to stop any of the American wars. Contrarily, he's escalated the war in Afghanistan and spread it to Pakistan. Obama wants to add 40,000 more troops in Afghanistan. Last I heard, the war in Iraq is still continuing. More, the opaque and unwinnable war against 'terrorism' is still going on as well while the definition of a 'terrorist' keeps expanding to include anyone who opposes tyranny, including war.

What about torture? Obama hasn't done anything to stop it. That status quo merry-go-round of violence and the violence of lies goes on and on.

In lieu of the lack of bringing peace, Obama should have won the Nobel Peace Prize for Economics as more people are out of work now than when he was given the mantel of presidency. This is how great the hypocrisy is.

So what does all of this mean? A group of five elites chose Obama to market lies and deception; to sell an Orwellian world where people are programmed to believe that a war monger, a false messiah of peace, is the ideal peace bringer when in a real reality, he is the farthest from it.

And Obama's nomination in the swill world of the Orwell Peace Prize is in good company. Although they didn't get the prize, Adolf Hitler, Benito Mussolini and Joseph Stalin were nominated. History has proven what kind of 'peace makers' they were and history will prove that Obama is of the same ilk.

People see through this ruse and sham. They know that Obama hasn't kept his campaign promises of stopping war and promoting peace. They know that he's being controlled by the powerful and wealthy military industrial complex who stand to lose enormous profits if Obama pursues peace.

This will be my nephew's third tour of duty. For a year (if he stays alive that long), we will live on pins and needles. Every day, we will hope that bad news doesn't arrive at the front door, brought by a well-dressed soldier messenger. Every day, we will hear about new war casualties and worry if he is one of them. We will live in a limbic hell and wait.

And during this time, Obama will escalate the wars, support Israel's illegal wars, while wearing the official Nobel Crown as the 'New Prince of Peace'.


http://www.sott.net/articles/show/19...ll-Peace-Prize


Speaking of Pakistan. Looks like it's going to start getting crazy there as well.

Gunmen attack Pakistani army HQ
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNe...edName=topNews

[FormerDnForumer]

For those who still don't get it: by removing the warmonger Bush-Cheney Administration from power, Obama has got rid of the biggest threat to world peace in 1 single day upon election. That alone deserves the Nobel Peace Prize.

Bingo.

[Raider]

Bingo.

What our DNF simpletons like ForumDnForumer, Zurc, DocCom, H2FC and Nameslave FAIL to realize is, the Nobel committee gave this award to Obama to promote peace, In other words, they gave it to him for something he HAS"NT done yet, We think of the award as something that is given to someone after a major accomplishment, NOT in this case.

Obama has NO accomplishments, Let me say that again; Obama has NO accomplishments, Sure he's pushed for peace between Israel and the Palestinians, so has almost every other President, Bill Clinton did FAR more to achieve peace in the middle east than most any other President, and yet Clinton got no award

Some say the Obama administration opened up dialogue with Iran, North Korea and Cuba, but what has he actually accomplished?.. NOTHING.

Obama's promised to make major changes that would reduce Global Warming, he hasn't done that either, "Cap and Tax" is still stalled in congress and is very unlikely anything will be passed before the upcoming meeting in Copenhagen.

Some here will argue he's reduced the anti-American sentiment around the world, OK, that maybe true, but how did he do it? He did it by being a pacifist, delivering 3 speeches in Cairo, Germany and the United Nations, apologizing for all the past wrongs of the US, and showing to the world how weak he is.

And for those who don't know, Obama was nominated for this award after ONLY 11 DAYS after being sworn in as President, Can anyone tell me what this babbling buffoon did in those 11 days to deserve being nominated in the first place?

Nobel awards FAILED presidents like Jimmy Carter a Peace prize but ignores those who did far more for world peace, Ronald Reagan in particular. I guess Ronald Reagan was not the pacifist that Obama is.

Anyway, I truly want to congratulate President Barack Hussein Obama for winning;

The Nobel Pacifist Prize Award

[fab]

I don't remember seeing him broker any major peace talks.

What about the beer summit?

[thevirtual]

What our DNF simpletons like ForumDnForumer, Zurc, DocCom, H2FC and Nameslave FAIL to realize is, the Nobel committee gave this award to Obama to promote peace, In other words, they gave it to him for something he HAS"NT done yet, We think of the award as something that is given to someone after a major accomplishment, NOT in this case.

Obama has NO accomplishments, Let me say that again; Obama has NO accomplishments, Sure he's pushed for peace between Israel and the Palestinians, so has almost every other President, Bill Clinton did FAR more to achieve peace in the middle east than most any other President, and yet Clinton got no award

Some say the Obama administration opened up dialogue with Iran, North Korea and Cuba, but what has he actually accomplished?.. NOTHING.

Obama's promised to make major changes that would reduce Global Warming, he hasn't done that either, "Cap and Tax" is still stalled in congress and is very unlikely anything will be passed before the upcoming meeting in Copenhagen.

Some here will argue he's reduced the anti-American sentiment around the world, OK, that maybe true, but how did he do it? He did it by being a pacifist, delivering 3 speeches in Cairo, Germany and the United Nations, apologizing for all the past wrongs of the US, and showing to the world how weak he is.

And for those who don't know, Obama was nominated for this award after ONLY 11 DAYS after being sworn in as President, Can anyone tell me what this babbling buffoon did in those 11 days to deserve being nominated in the first place?

Nobel awards FAILED presidents like Jimmy Carter a Peace prize but ignores those who did far more for world peace, Ronald Reagan in particular. I guess Ronald Reagan was not the pacifist that Obama is.

Anyway, I truly want to congratulate President Barack Hussein Obama for winning;

The Nobel Pacifist Prize Award

Your post here consists of nothing more than your own extremely conflicted opinions.

The only thing of substance in your statement is: Reagan and Clinton have done more to promote peace in the middle east than Obama. You really are a genius here for stating the obvious: two presidents that served at least one full term obviously have done more work for peace in the middle east than Obama.

[FormerDnForumer]

He did it by being a pacifist, delivering 3 speeches in Cairo, Germany and the United Nations, apologizing for all the past wrongs of the US, and showing to the world how weak he is.

This speaks volumes about you: Apologizing is weakness. Any mature adult know the opposite is true--to apologize for past sins is to graduate to strength. It heals wounds and offers the open palm of humility. With your perpetual blinders on, you don't even seem to know why the world might need this from America at this point.

What's incredible about you and your kind is that instead of eating some humble pie and recognizing that the one thing that Obama *has done* is heal some of the damage internationally that Bush did, you prefer to shriek and dance in hysterics at the awarding of a prize that was cannily offered as prod to move Obama towards true peace.

And by the way, you calling me a simpleton is exactly like Bush calling Obama a simpleton. It just invites giggles.

[Raider]

This speaks volumes about you: Apologizing is weakness. Any mature adult know the opposite is true--to apologize for past sins is to graduate to strength. It heals wounds and offers the open palm of humility. With your perpetual blinders on, you don't even seem to know why the world might need this from America at this point.

That maybe true in general, but it's NOT true in Foreign affairs, History has already proven this time and time again, Do you I need to school you on that too?

Graduate to strength? You really believe Iran, NK and Cuba see Obama as a strong leader? You cant possibly be this friggin stupid.


Barack Obama is President of the United States today because of stupid ignorant people who think like you do.

the awarding of a prize that was cannily offered as prod to move Obama towards true peace.

Nice to see you agree Obama he HASN'T earned it yet.

[Anthony Ng]

All they did is give the war a facelift. Gave the idea that they may end but in reality they continue. Look at his actions not his words. The words of deception have calmed the war protesters for the time being. Obama answers to the same people as Bush there's no change whatsoever. Well except the change of face. Obama is only there to give the perception of change.

It's true that the U.S. polity is by nature Capitalistic, and every president, either Democratic or Republican, or even if there's a so-called "independent", would only work for the Capitalists. But perhaps that's taking us too far. Obama and Bush report to DIFFERENT power brokers. Even Obama and Clinton, while sharing so much resources, are of different power circles. And it is this bit of difference that makes Cheney a warmonger and McCain not.

It would also be naive to say that Obama is fundamentally different; but with Bush as his immediate predecessor, he is good enough to bring some noticeable changes. And very often, people rely on perception more than anything else.

If thats your logic then the prize should go to the American people.

I agree that this is a victory of the American people TOO. However, people need a symbol to channel their will, and Obama is that very symbol. To be honest, at least Clinton (Hillary) is not able to deliver that momentum.