Obama's Citizenship

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Found this interesting post : Verbatim from Washington Post Reader.

The eligibility of a President to hold the office never goes away. If ineligible today, ineligible even if he takes the oath of Office. Obama has obstinantly refused to produce a $10.00 certified copy of his birth certificate. It is easily available read pages 7-11:

http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/Lo...oopulapula.pdf

This is just to show how easily the certified copy of a birth certificate is to obtain, although it is interesting the State of Hawaii does not accept the Certification of Live Birth, as produced by Obama, for this program.
The certified copy of the birth certificate will include verifiable facts to confirm Obama's statement that he was born in a hospital in Hawaii. The certified birth certificate would include the name of the hospital, the name of the doctors and any witnesses.

If the certified copy says something contrary, like Obama was born at home then it is likely he was born overseas and brought back for registration in Hawaii like his half sister.


If Obama were born overseas he is not a "natural born citizen" as the laws at the time required his mother, the US citizen, to have lived in the US for 5 years after her 14th birthday. Here is an article on that, and this also includes a discussion that laws that were changed after Obama's birth were NOT made retroactive:

http://www.volokh.com/posts/1227910730.shtml


Interestingly this issue has been going on since at least last February and was first raised in Hillary blogs prior to the primaries. Despite all of that time Obama has refused to answer this openly and transparently and we now have the prospect of a President elect that is ineligible for the office. It does not matter if he won the election, if he is ineligible he will removed from office and any acts while in office will be null. Obama appears willing to risk a national crisis over his personal ambitions. It is time for Obama to produce the records and answer this question and stop dodging.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=79174

Many birth notices were published between one and two weeks after the date of birth listed.

The notice in the Honolulu Advertiser does not list the hospital where the Obama son was born or the doctor who delivered the baby.

In a startling development, Obama's Kenyan grandmother has reportedly alleged she witnessed Obama's birth at the Coast Provincial Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya.

------------ as the press report states.

Any number of bias will not prevent denial of facts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd5gm8XKv_w

[TyphoidX]

As someone who has ran for, and held political office I find it extremely unlikely that there is any validity to this. This would have been nipped in the bud at the supervisor of elections where he filed his paperwork to run not to mention the other scrutiny in a contest of that magnitude is unlikely.

At anyrate - it doesn't matter. He's going to be the new president, people just need to accept it and move on. There are bigger battles to fight ahead.

[fab]

This already went to the courts. I certainly hope they did their job right. Without any credence, I don't think it's worth endlessly reexaming this.

On the other hand, if there is something that could be done simply to shut this story down, he should do it.

[denny007]

I wish they amend consitution that even not natural born citizens can be presidents. Then 2012 Arnold will beat Shmobama 70:30 because at that time even the stupidiest liberal will see that Shmobama is just all hoghwash and nothing else.

[biggedon]

I wish they amend consitution that even not natural born citizens can be presidents. Then 2012 Arnold will beat Shmobama 70:30 because at that time even the stupidiest liberal will see that Shmobama is just all hoghwash and nothing else.

imo,

"The New World Order" ...is behind the motivation to change the constitution in an effort to elect the "Terminator" as president has been quietly moving forward for some years now.

http://www.infowars.com/print/nwo/exclusive_arnold.htm

so who would be the most likely org who is pushing the efforts to prevent Obama from being president?

[denny007]

^I do not really believe in conspiracy theories. Sounds interesting but realities are mostly simplier. And I genuinely believe Arnold would be great president, maybe the greatest ever.

[Donald Aquilano]

^I do not really believe in conspiracy theories. Sounds interesting but realities are mostly simplier. And I genuinely believe Arnold would be great president, maybe the greatest ever.

LOL are you kidding me. The man can't even run his own state and you want him to be president. He's nothing more than a RINO(Republican In Name Only) who needs to leave the Republican party. Until the Republicans get rid of the dead wood in the party they will never return to power.

[Rocket2Uranus]

He shouldn't cooperate. If every crackpot had the power to make the president jump through needless hoops, nothing would ever get done.

I love how all of the Bush apologists from the last 8 years are just now concerned about making sure the President follows the Constitution. Where the hell have you been????

[draggar]

imo,

"The New World Order" ...is behind the motivation to change the constitution in an effort to elect the "Terminator" as president has been quietly moving forward for some years now.

http://www.infowars.com/print/nwo/exclusive_arnold.htm

so who would be the most likely org who is pushing the efforts to prevent Obama from being president?

The Demolition Man conspiracy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnUiiO8UOs4

Everyone laughed at it back then, too.

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^I do not really believe in conspiracy theories. Sounds interesting but realities are mostly simplier. And I genuinely believe Arnold would be great president, maybe the greatest ever.

Geth Aaaaouuuuuuth - Geth Aaaaauuuuuth!

Why Arnie never won an Oscar?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp2enMV9iTQ

By the way, seeking the truth is what matters. Obama could be born in Kenya for all I care. As long as he does his job. The President is not an Hollywood star like many make it out to be. He is a public servant. All he has is a new found job.

At the end of the day, do what is right, the best way you can.

The people deserve it.

[denny007]

Why Arnie never won an Oscar?

Because he is lousy actor perhaps ? Still loved most of his movies

Obama could be born in Kenya for all I care.

Agree. Or Austria.

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None better than "True Lies".

We need a Terminator in the White House.

[jberryhill]

This "Obama Birth Certificate" nonsense is the new "9/11 Truth" for conspiraloons.

Central to the conspiracy is this idiotic assertion:

Obama has obstinantly refused to produce a $10.00 certified copy of his birth certificate.

Notice how the accusation never specifies "produce" to whom? I think the people pushing this idiocy believe they are to personally receive one by mail.

If you would like to see the $10.00 certified copy of his birth certificate, you can see pictures of it here:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...n_the_usa.html

From there, we go into the "fun stuff". An anonymous blogger claiming a Ph.d. in a discipline which doesn't exist, has declared the various jpg's of Obama's birth certificate to be "forgeries" - as if a .jpg of a document is ever an "original".

To date, there have been approximately 17 lawsuits on this topic. These lawsuits are often cited as the proof that Obama has "refused" to produce a birth certificate. What most of the conspiraloons don't get is that the suits have been, in the main, filed against various secretaries of state and other election officials in various states, and that Obama is not even a named party in them.

The first and best known of this species of suit was filed by Philip Berg. Berg is also famous for having sued George Bush for carrying out 9/11. George Bush "refused" to deny the allegations of that suit, because I guess some people think it is the obligation of every elected official to answer every crazy allegation written on paper and filed in federal court for the $350 filing fee. There is no such obligation. Berg was laughed out of the federal court in PA, and appealed it all of the way to the Supreme Court, to a rising chorus of chuckles in the legal community.

There are some other amusing wrinkles to the tinfoil hat tale, such as this absurd notion that parents can "revoke" the US citizenship of a minor. The simple answer is that if you were born in the US, the United States will continue to recognize you as a citizen of the US unless (a) you were born to consular officials of another country while on duty in the US, or (b) you revoke your US citizenship to a US consular official while abroad after the age of 18. This comes into play because people believe Obama was "adopted" by his mother's Indonesian husband, and this had the magical effect of revoking his US citizenship. It did not, and legally it cannot. In fact, Obama returned to Hawaii - alone - as a child after having exhausted the correspondence courses that his mother was using to supplement his education in Indonesia. He necessarily did so using his own US passport. Part of this bit of stupidity arises from a school enrollment form for the St. Francis of Assissi school in which Obama was originally enrolled before transferring to public school. Whomever filled out the form - decidedly not the then-illiterate child Barack Obama - indicated his citizenship as "Indonesian". What these idiots miss from that form is interesting - (1) Muslims don't generally name schools after St. Francis, duh, and (2) the form on which they rely also states his birthplace as Honolulu, which screws up the other part of their theory.

There is a second species of cases which is even more retarded, and in which it is admitted that Obama was born in Hawaii. This species of cases is typified by the now-thoroughly-dismissed case brought by Leo Donofrio - who is also a certifiable nutjob like Berg. In the second class of cases, Obama is indeed born in Hawaii, but is not a "natural born citizen" because his father was not a US citizen. Without going into all the tortured logic in this theory, the ultimate nugget is a belief that the laws of another country trump US law in determining the citizenship of a child actually born in the United States. To get around the obvious problem with the 14th Amendment, this group of idiots has invented a newly undiscovered class of citizenship. You might have thought that one was either born a US citizen or became naturalized a US citizen, as stated in the 14th Amendment. But, noooo..., known only to the promoters of this class of cases, there has in fact been three classes of citizen all along - natural born, naturalized (i.e. an immigrant), and "naturalized at birth" - wherein that third category of citizenship has never existed in US law, but was apparently "discovered" by certain types of crazy people when Barack Obama was elected.

Next up: Bigfoot visits Supreme Court in UFO with Elvis to testify about Obama's citizenship.

Remarkably, none of the following folks ever managed to figure out that Obama was "not eligible" to be president:

John McCain, the Republican National Committee, Hillary Clinton, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin, Dick Cheney (who swore him into the Senate - using a Bible, of all things), the US Supreme Court, and George W. Bush.

Nope. Some anonymous blogger named "Texas Darlin" and an anonymous expert of expertology "Ron Polarik" have this thing all figured out. Uh huh.

Until the Republicans get rid of the dead wood in the party they will never return to power.

Absolutely. You should invest all of your time and effort into making sure that the GOP runs as many candidates like Sarah Palin as possible.

Every GOP candidate should make sure that they are the bible-bangingest, flag waviest, rootin' tootin' Christian dominionist possible, and they should go out of their way to question the patriotism, and even the basic humanity, of everyone who disagrees with them, and make it clear that God himself is sending them all to Hell.

That's the ticket.

[Devil Dog]

This "Obama Birth Certificate" nonsense ....

lol, /thread.

[Bill Roy]

I have just returned from another break and found this thread, 'OMG -they are not still on about this rubbish surely!' was my initial reaction. But am I glad I read it through, jberryhill sums it up tremendously well with his post above.

History has already been made, and on the 20th a new legitimate POTUS will be sworn in. Now surely we can all get back to domaining (with of course just an occassional lapse into the world of farce known as politics).

[jberryhill]

'OMG -they are not still on about this rubbish surely!'

It started out at "white power" forums like Stormfront.org, and worked its way into fake "PUMA" sites (which were the supposed disaffected Hillary supporters, but actually Rush Limbaugh dittoheads in dresses), and then to FreeRepublic, which used to be a conservative website and is now pretty much all-birth-certificate-all-the-time (since they ban anyone who disagrees and their owner, a guy in a Fresno trailer park named RimJob, has been severely ill for a while and may be terminal).

It is going to live on in the minds of true believers, just like any of a number of JFK conspiracies, the "Clinton Body Count", "9/11 was an inside job", "you don't really have to pay federal income tax", and so on.

Humans have an incredible capacity for self-deception through a mechanism called "confirmation bias". A true believer can look at a set of data, and will apply a very high bar to information contradicting the belief, and a very low bar to any theory or fact confirming the belief.

A good example was the response of the Hawaii department of vital statistics in response to the controversy over the jpg images of Obama's birth certificate. The registrar stated something along the lines of "yes that looks like an HI birth certificate" and "yes, we have one on file for Barack Obama".

The Birthers (a term borrowed from 9/11 "truthers") took these two statements and said "Aha! She didn't say it was a Hawaii birth certificate". Of course, a jpg image on the web is not a Hawaii birth certificate, and can only "look like" one, which is what she said. The Birthers also said "Aha! She didn't say the image matched the one they have on file." Of course, if you order a birth certificate from Hawaii, like many states, what you get is a computer print-out from the database which is then certified by the official printing it out. Furthermore, ID theft laws prevent state officials from actually disclosing personal information to anyone other than an authorized requester (usually the individual in question, the individual's children, the estate, and so forth).

So, yes, the conspiracy also relies on the Republican governor of Hawaii being "in on it." Like most conspiracies, a widening circle of participants is required to keep exercising confirmation bias in order to maintain a belief in the "truth" despite all indications to the contrary. Joe McCarthy's "communists in the State Department" theory went in the same direction, as did Jim Garrison's growing circle of JFK assassination conspirators, which grew to encompass anyone who questioned or criticized him.

In the most obscene versions of the "Obama Birth Certificate" story, the reason that his grandmother died just prior to the election was to "keep her quiet" because she was going to spill the beans on where he was born and to whom. And, those supposed cremation ashes which he and his sister spread at Lanai Point... what do you think they were "really" getting rid of? That's right, they scoured Ms. Dunham's apartment for evidence, burned it, and then disposed of it right in front of the press!

It's just sick, sick minds at work. At its root, really, is a belief that a person with dark skin is not a "real American" of the type that Palin et al. were on about during the campaign.

[HomerJ]

barry satoro

[NostraDomainus]

...2012 ...at that time even the stupidiest liberal will see that Shmobama is just all hoghwash and nothing else.

Unless you are from the future with explicit knowledge of the realization of your, imo, speculation to Obama's outcomes by 2012 - you just sound insecure and jealous like many other 'sore loser/bad sportsman' conservatives.
[Sidebar: Is there an 'I' in 'stupidiest', the way you spell it?]

...and seriously, you truly believe Obama could/would do worse than Bush? (Seriously?) ...because, again, imo, apathetic conformity to wrongeousness has never made the World a better place - think aboot it. (Really thou, think aboot it - it doesn't.)

Individualism is not a replacement for Community-Mindedness. Based on George's own perspective and words - he's 'against us', not 'with us', as Actions Speak Louder than Words. George's Hypocracy towards Democracy and lack of Integrity to following his own words, speaks for itself.

George 'Worst President Ever' Bush. ...and that's not just in my opinion, as he's globally known as a massive failure to himself, America and the World. Watching more than Fox News and TV (ie: avoiding selective ignorance) allows one to gain broader knowledge, begetting power.

[Tangent: I love how Mr. JB continues to raise the bar on sober observation to perpetuated ignorance. Good on ya John & Long may your big gib draw! ]

[Gerry]

Absolutely. You should invest all of your time and effort into making sure that the GOP runs as many candidates like Sarah Palin as possible.

Every GOP candidate should make sure that they are the bible-bangingest, flag waviest, rootin' tootin' Christian dominionist possible, and they should go out of their way to question the patriotism, and even the basic humanity, of everyone who disagrees with them, and make it clear that God himself is sending them all to Hell.

Amen, Brother B.

The damndest, most inspirational soul searchin' words I have ever had my ears and eyes behold.

I have seen the light!

I have heard the callin!

Mizz Palin's campaign Manager.

[James Jean]

Found this interesting post : Verbatim from Washington Post Reader.

The eligibility of a President to hold the office never goes away. If ineligible today, ineligible even if he takes the oath of Office. Obama has obstinantly refused to produce a $10.00 certified copy of his birth certificate. It is easily available read pages 7-11:

http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/Lo...oopulapula.pdf

This is just to show how easily the certified copy of a birth certificate is to obtain, although it is interesting the State of Hawaii does not accept the Certification of Live Birth, as produced by Obama, for this program.
The certified copy of the birth certificate will include verifiable facts to confirm Obama's statement that he was born in a hospital in Hawaii. The certified birth certificate would include the name of the hospital, the name of the doctors and any witnesses.

If the certified copy says something contrary, like Obama was born at home then it is likely he was born overseas and brought back for registration in Hawaii like his half sister.


If Obama were born overseas he is not a "natural born citizen" as the laws at the time required his mother, the US citizen, to have lived in the US for 5 years after her 14th birthday. Here is an article on that, and this also includes a discussion that laws that were changed after Obama's birth were NOT made retroactive:

http://www.volokh.com/posts/1227910730.shtml


Interestingly this issue has been going on since at least last February and was first raised in Hillary blogs prior to the primaries. Despite all of that time Obama has refused to answer this openly and transparently and we now have the prospect of a President elect that is ineligible for the office. It does not matter if he won the election, if he is ineligible he will removed from office and any acts while in office will be null. Obama appears willing to risk a national crisis over his personal ambitions. It is time for Obama to produce the records and answer this question and stop dodging.

So your point of this stupid jerk-off mentioning was???