Obama's Gitmo orders prompt terror debate

[Dale Hubbard]

The idea that Brits can magically get special disposition because they are 'Crown subjects' is ludicrous. And Eva, you don't speak Chinese You speak Tagalog, but tell me you speak Mandarin and I'll be impressed

[HarveyJ]

Raider: My assertion comes from posts you've made in many threads, in which you express opposition to immigration, gay marriages, anything that's even mildly to the left of the political spectrum etc., etc.
Now, considering that there's no rational reason to be against things that won't actually affect your life in a meaningful way, then yeah, it's fear.

Consider this: The average US citizen has a 1:2,500,000 chance of being a victim of ideologically driven terrorism, and that's worldwide, not even your home turf where the chances are lower.
You are still substantially more likely to be killed by a lightning strike (over 30x in fact as it kills 90 people a year (1:80,000 chance)), or being eaten by a shark, than to be caught in a terrorist bombing. I've yet to see petitions to install giant metal shields over population centers, and that would probably be cheaper than the war on terrorism has been so far.
Hell, if you're afraid of being caught in a bomb blast, you better stop driving, because that kills ~40,000 US citizens annually! multiply that by your life expectancy and divide the population (let's make the math simple, say 400m/(40k x 80yrs)) and you've got a 1:125 chance of dying in a car accident during your life! Shit! That's huge!! I better start riding my motorcycle instead!!!

So, yes, you live in a state of irrational paranoia of something that has a chance so statistically insignificant, a rational person would round it off to zero.
When you start doing stupid things, changing your life style, being afraid without a rational reason, then the terrorists you're so adamant about beating, and not being afraid of, have won.

[Raider]

Raider: My assertion comes from posts you've made in many threads, in which you express opposition to immigration, gay marriages, anything that's even mildly to the left of the political spectrum etc., etc.

So in your World, If your against Gay Marriage, your against Gays? Hmmm, I have Gay friends who are against Gay marriage as well, does that mean they hate Gays? ..... Immigration; I never said I was against LEGAL Immigration, I immigrated to this Country legally so why would I be against it?, What I'm against is illegals taxing our system, Medical care, Education and not paying taxes by working under the table.

[Consider this: The average US citizen has a 1:2,500,000 chance of being a victim of ideologically driven terrorism, and that's worldwide, not even your home turf where the chances are lower. You are still substantially more likely to be killed by a lightning strike (over 30x in fact as it kills 90 people a year (1:80,000 chance)), or being eaten by a shark, than to be caught in a terrorist bombing. I've yet to see petitions to install giant metal shields over population centers, and that would probably be cheaper than the war on terrorism has been so far. Hell, if you're afraid of being caught in a bomb blast, you better stop driving, because that kills ~40,000 US citizens annually! multiply that by your life expectancy and divide the population (let's make the math simple, say 400m/(40k x 80yrs)) and you've got a 1:125 chance of dying in a car accident during your life! Shit! That's huge!! I better start riding my motorcycle instead!!!

So, yes, you live in a state of irrational paranoia of something that has a chance so statistically insignificant, a rational person would round it off to zero. When you start doing stupid things, changing your life style, being afraid without a rational reason, then the terrorists you're so adamant about beating, and not being afraid of, have won..

Tell that to the Families of the 3000 killed on 911 OK?

What your NOT getting is; this is NOT about just me, it's about EVERY life that could be lost in a terrorist attack, Do you know that terrorist cells have been uncovered my State of California?, State of irrational paranoia huh? Do your your research Harvey, you dont know what your talking about.

Question; Would you be OK having these Gitmo detainees living in your city? YES or NO?

Since you feel that most of them could be innocent and are victims of the US Government, I would think the answer would be Yes.

The idea that Brits can magically get special disposition because they are 'Crown subjects' is ludicrous. And Eva, you don't speak Chinese You speak Tagalog, but tell me you speak Mandarin and I'll be impressed

I speak and understand some Mandarin, picked it up when I lived in Singapore.. I just cant write it.

[jasdon11]

Do you know that terrorist cells have been uncovered my State of California?, State of irrational paranoia huh? Do your your research Harvey, you dont know what your talking about.

How many of these 'terror cells' that are uncovered in the US actually get prosecuted? How many have been proven guilty? Any? Remember, thanks to the Patriot Act, anyone can be arrested and accused of terrorism (except Bush and his cronies they've got a free pass) - could be you; me; Ronald McDonald...

Question; Would you be OK having these Gitmo detainees living in your city? YES or NO?

Since you feel that most of them could be innocent and are victims of the US Government, I would think the answer would be Yes.

Yes - those that are proven innocent after a fair trial.

[HarveyJ]

Tell that to the Families of the 3000 killed on 911 OK?

What your NOT getting is; this is NOT about just me, it's about EVERY life that could be lost in a terrorist attack,

So you're afraid for, and worry about, the people you don't even know now?

Do you know that terrorist cells have been uncovered my State of California?, State of irrational paranoia huh?

Did you know that terrorist cells have been found in the states of Victoria and New South Wales as well? Did you do your research on that? How about you name some of your terrorists, and I'll name some of mine, and we can compare who has the bigger terrorist.
I assure you, we have the exact same crap in Australia (although we don't have 6 different enfrocement agencies pissing up a wall over jurisdiction instead of working together, or a national leader that's actively in business with partners of terrorists... just sayin'...)
Believe it or not, shit happens outside of America too. You don't hear about it thanks to an amazingly self-serving, self-centered, self-loving media that doesn't really care to cover things outside of your own borders that don't have much to do with celebrities or Britain. Godamn, there were people in Atlanta last year asking why they couldn't hear bombs going off or see tanks outside their window when the news broke about Russian invading Georgia!

Question; Would you be OK having these Gitmo detainees living in your city? YES or NO?

David Hicks lives in Adelaide. I was considering moving there from Sydney early last year, but settled on Melbourne because of the weather... So yeah, I'd be fine living in the same city as a released Guantanamo detainee. Hell, I go there about six times a year for a vacation anyway.
As it is, I now live in a city that has an L4 biological lab less than 2km from the CBD... oooh booga booga, the live samples of anthrax, smallpox and ebola are going to be stolen by terrorist and sprayed all over us! I used to live less than 10km from the Lucas Heights nuclear reactor too. All that deutritium just lying around for anyone with a beard and turban to take...
See that? Sarcasm. I can use it because I'm not worried about the statistical improbability of something that's extraordinarily unlikely to happen, and I'm not willing to give up my lifestyle or persecute others without clear proof to entertain ridiculous notions.