Obama's Job Performance - Please Vote

**H2FC** · 10-09-2009, 06:29 PM

Yes...to the right to say so.
No....to twisting and manipulating the truth to support ones opinion.

**JMJ** · 10-09-2009, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by MAllie

But the beauty of America is that she's allowed to say so - no?

What do you think about the recent Ireland voter fraud on the Lisbon Treaty and your new incoming EU President Blair? You know GWB's sidekick? Did you hear how the new EU has started drafting plans to the the economic ruler of the World? Next up the NAU (or whatever they are calling it now) and who knows maybe Bush will make a re-appearance as president of it as well. All just a coincidence, there are no conspiracies.

**RustyK** · 10-09-2009, 07:06 PM

B - Better than Bush

**DomainsInc** · 10-09-2009, 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by Seraphim

I have a residence in Oregon and Poland, blessed to live on two continents. Oregon is in bad shape right now, unemployment seems way higher than official government figures, and it's getting worse. I know a lot of people that have been laid off. Real estate prices have seen 40% value drops in some areas. Public schools are way short on funding. Small businesses are folding like crazy. Hard times...

California, Oregon tie for fourth in unemployment [Friday, September 18, 2009]

Any place that is largely dependent upon manufactoring jobs is hurting bad. I don't think this will change even when the economy improves until something drastic is done about corporations who move their manufactoring overseas.

I know my hometown area is hurting really bad. They were so reliant upon the auto and manufactoring industry. There aren't really any factories left and even the skilled moldmakers and machinists have been fired and their jobs moved to china..some even locked out and denied their final paycheck.

However, here in Ottawa, things are booming. Jobs are lost still but not like in the manufactoring sector. Real estate prices never moved an inch. I wish they did as I am looking to buy but no luck.

**Seraphim** · 10-09-2009, 09:08 PM

Originally Posted by DomainsInc

Any place that is largely dependent upon manufactoring jobs is hurting bad. I don't think this will change even when the economy improves until something drastic is done about corporations who move their manufactoring overseas.

I know my hometown area is hurting really bad. They were so reliant upon the auto and manufactoring industry. There aren't really any factories left and even the skilled moldmakers and machinists have been fired and their jobs moved to china..some even locked out and denied their final paycheck.

However, here in Ottawa, things are booming. Jobs are lost still but not like in the manufactoring sector. Real estate prices never moved an inch. I wish they did as I am looking to buy but no luck.

Oregon has one of the highest income disparity levels in the country. The low income earners here are particularly vulnerable to any economic downturns. From what I've seen in the past, they generally scrape along the rocks both first and last with regard to where the rest of the country is economically.

Our economy seems to be leaning heavily towards IT sectors right now, and with folks slimming down on buying personal computers and high tech gadgets, naturally many people are losing jobs.

Now is the time to buy a house here though, so I won't be surprised if that fuels a little equity recovery in home values in the near term. I can't imagine prices falling any further.

**MAllie** · 10-10-2009, 03:23 AM

Originally Posted by JMJ

What do you think about the recent Ireland voter fraud on the Lisbon Treaty and your new incoming EU President Blair?

Unfortunately, as a no voter, I don't think 'voter fraud' is an option in this case. The other 66% of those who voted just wanted something different from what I wanted, for whatever reason. They bought into the assurances of the yes side, and that's their right, as it was mine not to.

I would be surprised if Blair became EU President, but if he should do so then he will have to go along with all the EU rules which, while far from perfect, do have much that is good about them. But I don't completely dislike Blair as a politician. I just think that he has taken a few wrong turnings.

I don't think the States has anything to fear from the EU, any more than it has to fear from your government. Don't you think it would be nice if Europe could be more self-sufficient and watchful of its own diversity, so that America can spend more time looking after its own?

**Dale Hubbard** · 10-10-2009, 03:40 AM

Blair is a Bush lackey. He has no place as EU president, almost as much as he had no place to be at the Iraq service yesterday given that he conned us into going there in the first place. I wish he'd remained a 'rock star' and never entered politics. He's a two-faced bar steward. On another matter, unless the USA rethinks the extradition request for Gary McKinnon, Obama will drop to absolute zero in my popularity vote.

Seems I'm not alone:

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/08/aclu-mckinnon/

This man should be hired by the NSA, not jailed for 70 years.

**JMJ** · 10-10-2009, 04:29 AM

Originally Posted by MAllie

Unfortunately, as a no voter, I don't think 'voter fraud' is an option in this case. The other 66% of those who voted just wanted something different from what I wanted, for whatever reason. They bought into the assurances of the yes side, and that's their right, as it was mine not to.

I would be surprised if Blair became EU President, but if he should do so then he will have to go along with all the EU rules which, while far from perfect, do have much that is good about them. But I don't completely dislike Blair as a politician. I just think that he has taken a few wrong turnings.

I don't think the States has anything to fear from the EU, any more than it has to fear from your government. Don't you think it would be nice if Europe could be more self-sufficient and watchful of its own diversity, so that America can spend more time looking after its own?

Oh I'd lay money on there being fraud. I highly doubt there was that big of a change of opinion on it unless people were scared of the economic threats made.

The only way these people get what they want is by fraud,

Gardai to investigate suspected vote fraud
http://www.independent.ie/national-n...d-1803847.html

Ballot boxes running out of Cork City Hall
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nq-OhRZX8dw

UN seeks to explain Afghanistan vote fraud concerns
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/20...t_12196605.htm

It's all rigged.

**Dale Hubbard** · 10-10-2009, 04:37 AM

^ Of course it's all rigged. Knowing how the knots are tied is key.

**tristanperry** · 10-10-2009, 04:54 AM

Originally Posted by aZooZa

Blair is a Bush lackey. He has no place as EU president, almost as much as he had no place to be at the Iraq service yesterday given that he conned us into going there in the first place. I wish he'd remained a 'rock star' and never entered politics. He's a two-faced bar steward. On another matter, unless the USA rethinks the extradition request for Gary McKinnon, Obama will drop to absolute zero in my popularity vote.

Seems I'm not alone:

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/08/aclu-mckinnon/

This man should be hired by the NSA, not jailed for 70 years.

I'd agree with that.

I read an interview with McKinnon many years ago (before this whole farce kicked off).

He was saying that in some cases the systems he entered (which, okay, is wrong) didn't even have passwords set. So username "admin" and a blank password and he'd be in to top-secret Government systems!

I know that hacking is wrong, but he's an (albeit slightly) mentally troubled individual who was looking for information on UFOs.

Then Bush and Obama want to string him up and jail him for an insane amount of time (more time than murderers in this country get in jail, in fact)

It's sad to see. Yes hacking is wrong. But it seems like McKinnon is being completely blamed for something very minor, and also when it was the fault of the US Government 'Security Staff' too (for not securing their computers correctly)

**Dale Hubbard** · 10-10-2009, 05:01 AM

Originally Posted by tristanperry

I'd agree with that.

I read an interview with McKinnon many years ago (before this whole farce kicked off).

He was saying that in some cases the systems he entered (which, okay, is wrong) didn't even have passwords set. So username "admin" and a blank password and he'd be in to top-secret Government systems!

I know that hacking is wrong, but he's an (albeit slightly) mentally troubled individual who was looking for information on UFOs.

Then Bush and Obama want to string him up and jail him for an insane amount of time (more time than murderers in this country get in jail, in fact)

It's sad to see. Yes hacking is wrong. But it seems like McKinnon is being completely blamed for something very minor, and also when it was the fault of the US Government 'Security Staff' too (for not securing their computers correctly)

Amen. Crass stupidity over the pond. I'll be looking for some high level intervention here. Typical yank philosophy.

**Donald Aquilano** · 10-10-2009, 11:07 PM

What happened with the poll? Quit *****ing and vote if you haven't already.

I find myself visiting this forum less and less because of the f u c k turds who think obama is soooo great that they can't take any criticism of him. Even now with almost a year in office he has done absolutely nothing while in office. On the international stage he has ****ed over Poland,Czechoslovakia and Israel. Three strong allies prior to his coming into office. He has screwed up the economy even more by continuing the bailouts of the previous administration.He said unemployment wouldn't go over 8% now its headed to well over 10%. He has taken the role of czars to such an extreme level that even some from his own party think it violates the Constitution(IT DOES). He took over GM and Chrysler screwing over many of the bond holders in favor of the unions. Oh I almost forgot he wants a gov. option for health care. The gov. can't even run Medicare so why in the hell would anyone want them to have a public option!!!

All I got to say is that I wait with anticipation for year two of the Barack Obama presidency.

**Gerry** · 10-10-2009, 11:23 PM

Originally Posted by Seraphim

I have a residence in Oregon and Poland, blessed to live on two continents.

To tie in one thread to another, I have recently discovered a piece that Dell is closing their new plant in Ireland (only in operation since January 2008) and moving those operations to Poland to take advantage of cheaper labor.

In essence, this tells me that they are moving to take advantage of the Polish people.

This is a global disease that is infectious.

Originally Posted by aZooZa

Amen. Crass stupidity over the pond. I'll be looking for some high level intervention here. Typical yank philosophy.

McKinnon's mum Janis Sharp said after the hearing: "No other country in the world would so readily offer its citizens to the US as sacrificial lambs to safeguard a 'special political relationship'.

"To use my desperately vulnerable son in this way is despicable, immoral and devoid of humanity. I've fought for five years to protect him and I'm not about to give up."

**Seraphim** · 10-11-2009, 12:33 AM

Originally Posted by Doc Com

To tie in one thread to another, I have recently discovered a piece that Dell is closing their new plant in Ireland (only in operation since January 2008) and moving those operations to Poland to take advantage of cheaper labor.

In essence, this tells me that they are moving to take advantage of the Polish people.

This is a global disease that is infectious.

I read that somewhere as well. Multi-national companies that behave like viking raiding parties, should be treated as such. While they do bring money to communities, they usually suppress wage and labor standards, stifle smaller more sustainable economic models, and eventually cause widespread unemployment when they move on to greener labor pastures.

Intel, Nike, Dell, etc... When you consider what some of these companies have done in places like Mexico and Indonesia, it's hard to believe that people even buy their products anymore. Phil Knight should be serving a life sentence in prison.

**Gerry** · 10-11-2009, 01:05 AM

Originally Posted by Seraphim

I read that somewhere as well.

Dell Wins EU OK To Get Euro54.5 Million Polish Aid

A major concern and issue with me regarding this type of strategic planning is - does this really help those improvised peoples?

Yes, it gives them a wage. But this is nothing more than a company choosing to relocate to take advantage of a plentiful workforce that will work for any wage.

Since finding this piece of news along with the bit on Winston-Salem all I can think of is, My God! Who is steering that Dell ship? The millions they have put into what, now two places, only to dump them and move to somewhere else?

Does this not seem like Dell is getting these massive incentive packages only to bolt? Keeping up with this strategy, they essentially are getting product made for nothing and rent for free.

**tas38** · 10-11-2009, 01:20 AM

Well if all the jobs go over to other country's, then we may well have to go to them country's to find work, look out china here we come for jobs.

**Seraphim** · 10-11-2009, 02:40 AM

Originally Posted by Doc Com

Dell Wins EU OK To Get Euro54.5 Million Polish Aid

A major concern and issue with me regarding this type of strategic planning is - does this really help those improvised peoples?

Yes, it gives them a wage. But this is nothing more than a company choosing to relocate to take advantage of a plentiful workforce that will work for any wage.

Since finding this piece of news along with the bit on Winston-Salem all I can think of is, My God! Who is steering that Dell ship? The millions they have put into what, now two places, only to dump them and move to somewhere else?

Does this not seem like Dell is getting these massive incentive packages only to bolt? Keeping up with this strategy, they essentially are getting product made for nothing and rent for free.

I wasn't aware of the subsidy, but I'm not surprised. I'm also not surprised Brussels is orchestrating it all. Poland had been shoring up it's state owned shipyards with government subsidies for years, however the EU recently declared those subsidies illegal. They recently imposed fines and penalties on the shipyards with the deliberate intent of forcing them into bankruptcy. The end result will be 40,000+ jobs lost, and the birth place of Solidarność liquidated and sold off to a foreign investment corporation. In fact a deal just fell through with a Qatar based company.

**think** · 10-11-2009, 09:21 AM

Originally Posted by bd77

What happened with the poll? Quit *****ing and vote if you haven't already.

I find myself visiting this forum less and less because of the f u c k turds who think obama is soooo great that they can't take any criticism of him. Even now with almost a year in office he has done absolutely nothing while in office. On the international stage he has ****ed over Poland,Czechoslovakia and Israel. Three strong allies prior to his coming into office. He has screwed up the economy even more by continuing the bailouts of the previous administration.He said unemployment wouldn't go over 8% now its headed to well over 10%. He has taken the role of czars to such an extreme level that even some from his own party think it violates the Constitution(IT DOES). He took over GM and Chrysler screwing over many of the bond holders in favor of the unions. Oh I almost forgot he wants a gov. option for health care. The gov. can't even run Medicare so why in the hell would anyone want them to have a public option!!!

All I got to say is that I wait with anticipation for year two of the Barack Obama presidency.

F * C K tards?...... Well, it is apparent that you are angry and frustrated. As one who was at wits end under the Bush years I understand your fears and resentments. It is very strange seeing it on the other foot. At least under Obama you don't have to protest in a free speech zone like the Bush years. If Obama starts that shit I'll be protesting right beside you.

As a fellow American I wish you well and understand you may be unhappy with our leadership for many years. I hope you can find things in life to distract you. For me I worked extra hard on domaining and tried to block out the illegal war, the deficits, the torture, and the lies. Burying myself in my work did help me but still I lost a lot of time being angry about these things.

It would always piss me off when people called me unAmerican when I protested against the Iraq war. I knew they would never find any WMDs and that the war was planned well before 9/11 ever occurred. Bush made it very clear that those in the defense industry would make a shit load of money and he delivered.

Anyhow I hope you can find something to occupy your time that doesn't involve the anger you are harvesting. Finding something positive you can do to change your life and the lives of the people around you will help you through these times.

Here's wishing you peace and serenity in a world that is driving you mad......

**Gerry** · 10-11-2009, 09:51 AM

BD, perhaps you do need some "me" time.

You believe your own words.

F'd over poland (the missle defense moving to a more strategic location - including ships already in the area?) Israel (for Obama reaching out to the muslim world?) continuing bailouts of the previous administration (um, perhaps you should read what you just wrote - real carefully. Then read the Paulson plan for the first time), he said unemployment would not go over 8% when the numbers were 8.5% when he entered office??? Um again, you would have to review the Bushism analyst who claimed in August 2008 it would hit 8.5 in Sept. 2009 - it was an election year, afterall), and rather than give, give, give, more and more of your and my money to an institution who was told to come up with a viable breathing plan - they did not. And as far as healthcare reform, ask one question - why now? Why has this scourge of failure to run medicare and better healthcare streamlining not addressed by the GOP controlled Congress and President.

These are not Obama issues. These are issues of someone breaking into our government and making a mockery and a shambles of the Exective, Legislative, and Judicial branches of government and ****ing them up so bad by Bush and his cronies, all I can say is thank God someone has the damn balls to try to fix them.

If you are looking for a refund of your taxpayer dollars spent, perhaps petition for a refund from the $1billion a day for the oil industry's takeover of Iraq (about $2.5 trillion), no bid contracts by Hailburton ($20 billion), and one of my personal favorites - turning down Greek cruise ships for free and giving Carnival Cruiselines a $236 million contract to house Katrina victims.

Honestly, I do no have the time to list the entire litany of Bush failed feats but those are just three that come to mind.

Hell, after the past eight years of ****ing up and ****ing over the American people and the world, "doing nothing" is a welcomed break.

**thevirtual** · 10-11-2009, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by bd77

What happened with the poll? Quit *****ing and vote if you haven't already.

I find myself visiting this forum less and less because of the f u c k turds who think obama is soooo great that they can't take any criticism of him. Even now with almost a year in office he has done absolutely nothing while in office. On the international stage he has ****ed over Poland,Czechoslovakia and Israel. Three strong allies prior to his coming into office. He has screwed up the economy even more by continuing the bailouts of the previous administration.He said unemployment wouldn't go over 8% now its headed to well over 10%. He has taken the role of czars to such an extreme level that even some from his own party think it violates the Constitution(IT DOES). He took over GM and Chrysler screwing over many of the bond holders in favor of the unions. Oh I almost forgot he wants a gov. option for health care. The gov. can't even run Medicare so why in the hell would anyone want them to have a public option!!!

All I got to say is that I wait with anticipation for year two of the Barack Obama presidency.

You are an idiot. Please stop posting this garbage.