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    Obama's Slow Response to Horizon Oil Disaster

    This accident is expected to be the worst oil disaster in US History, We would NOT have the amount of Oil we have right now reaching our shores if this President and his Adminstration did their JOB instead of playing politics.


    Louisiana Target Of Oil Spill Katrina: Obama, Doing A Heck of A Job

    Written by: Jeff Crouere


    Another disaster in the Gulf of Mexico is heading for the shorelines of Louisiana. Once again, the federal government has bungled the response. In contrast to President Bush, who waited four days after Katrina to send federal help to New Orleans, President Obama has waited nine days to act after the horrific oil disaster in the Gulf.

    In the meantime, precious time was lost, the oil is now on the coastline and the effort has changed from containment to clean-up. This is just another incident to expose the slow moving federal government cannot be trusted to assist in a disaster situation. It should have been a top priority for the Obama administration in the minutes after the disaster, not waiting over almost ten full days to take serious action.

    Today, we are finally seeing the federal cavalry descending on the impact zone with booms, boats and personnel, but it is way too late. It would have been much easier to accomplish containment goals one week ago.

    The initial reports from the rig operator, British Petroleum (BP), were that the spill was manageable and not that serious. Then, the news got worse each day until Wednesday night when it was announced that the size of the leak was five times greater than first announced.

    It could take months to drill another well to relieve the pressure from the three leaks at the Deepwater Horizon rig site. Other options include BP constructing some sort of dome that would enclose the oil as it leaks. Presently, containment booms are being placed near sensitive areas, but the high waves are washing the oily water over the lines.

    At this point, there are no good options and the targets seem to be the fragile ecosystems of South Louisiana. An environment disaster is clearly looming for Louisiana and other Gulf South states. Bird nesting grounds and wildlife habitats are in significant danger from this spill. Currently, the oil plume extends over 20,000 square miles and could impact ten wildlife refuges and official management areas. This tragedy will have a negative long term impact on the thriving seafood industry of the state and will also harm the lucrative restaurant and tourism industry of New Orleans.

    The air quality is also deteriorating, causing many local residents with respiratory problems to stay indoors. A distinct oil odor can now be detected throughout the area and it may get worse before it gets better.

    In Katrina, state and federal officials were caught unprepared. In this disaster, there has been another unacceptably slow response. It is especially disappointing to see such a weak response to this leak because there should have been regular training for this type of emergency situation. With all of the rigs in the Gulf, this type of disaster is not unimaginable, but instead one that should have been expected at some point.

    While politicians seem to be pursuing a clean-up policy, there were inadequate plans to contain the spill from the very beginning. In the view of Aaron Viles of the Gulf Restoration Network, BP was allowed to play too large a role from the very beginning in managing this crisis. Of course, the initial information from BP was inaccurate and precious time was lost.

    The rig exploded on April 20, but a state of emergency was not called until April 29. In the span of nine days, the federal government squandered valuable opportunities to deal with the spill. With a rig leaking 210,000 gallons of oil per day, the cost to our state will be immense, certainly in the range of billions of dollars.

    According to ABC 26 WGNO-TV Meteorologist Hank Allen, “this could be the biggest ecological disaster of all-time, bigger than the Valdez.” The Exxon Valdez spill in 1989 was in a contained area, but this spill is anything but contained. We have no idea when the multiple leaks will be stopped.

    Yesterday, the President announced that the Department of Defense might be used. Yet, without concrete action, this type of empty promise means nothing. In reality, the White House should have immediately dispatched any and all assets of the Defense or Homeland Security Departments that may help mitigate the negative impact of this disaster.

    Finally, today, ten days after the explosion, officials from the Department of Homeland Security officials are reaching the area. Why the delay? Yesterday, U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano commented that the spill is of “national significance” and will devote more resources to the crisis. Yet, where was this urgency a week ago?

    The poor response has not gone unnoticed by local leaders. State Representative Sam Jones (D-Franklin) claimed that he was “in deep concern about the lackadaisical response we have gotten on the oil spill containment.”

    If this was the response of the Bush administration, there would be a media firestorm. Commentators would be howling with anger and loud protests if Bush had been caught so unprepared. However, since this poor response is the handiwork of the Obama administration, the media has been mostly quiet. In fact, President Obama has not yet visited the area and has not even made a Bush style flyover of the region.

    As this disaster unfolds troubling questions remain unanswered. How did this explosion occur? Why did the inspections on the Deepwater Horizon prior to the explosion fail to find anything amiss? .What took the President and his Department of Homeland Security so long to act? Obama’s failures to show quick and decisive leadership on this environmental and economic disaster will only intensify concerns shared by so many Americans that he is not qualified to serve as President of the United States.
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    Jeff Crouere is a native of New Orleans, LA and he is the host of a Louisiana based program, “Ringside Politics,” which airs at 7:30 p.m. Fri. and 10:00 p.m. Sun. on WLAE-TV 32, a PBS station, and 7 till 11 a.m.weekdays on WGSO 990 AM in New Orleans and the Northshore. For more information, visit his web site at www.ringsidepolitics.com.

    http://www.bayoubuzz.com/News/US/Pol...Job__10737.asp


    Deep Horizon Oil Disaster Response by Politician in Chief; President Obama;

    The Timeline;



    20 April 2010: An oil rig rented and operated by BP in the Gulf of Mexico explodes, killing 11 workers.

    21 April 2010: All 115 workers are evacuated from the Deepwater Horizon offshore oil rig.

    22 April 2010: The Deepwater Horizon collapses into the sea and sinks.

    22 April 2010: President Obama delivers a speech on Wall Street to advocate more government intervention in the country's financial sector, but offers no reforms for Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac, which helped precipitate the 2008 meltdown. He also delivers a speech regarding the contributions of Earth Day to environmental awareness.

    Meanwhile, 200,000 gallons of oil are spilling daily.

    23 April 2010: President Obama blasts the Arizona governor, state legislators, police officers and residents for backing federal laws that prohibit illegal immigration.

    23 April 2010: The oil continues to flow.

    24 April 2010: The president delivers his weekly radio address, which focuses on further regulation of Wall Street. He also calls upon certain segments of his original supporters -- African-Americans, Latinos, Hispanics, and women -- and asks them to mobilize for political action.

    24 April 2010: Efforts to contain the spill are hampered by lack of resources and difficult weather.

    25 April 2010: President Obama interrupts a weekend getaway to meet with the Rev. Billy Graham in North Carolina.

    25 April 2010: Oil spreads across the gulf and heads toward the Louisiana shoreline.

    26 April 2010: President Obama appears in a "Vote 2010" video, distributed by his political action wing Organizing for America, which serves as a stark appeal to blacks and Latinos -- specifically -- for their votes in November.

    26 April 2010: The Coast Guard warns that the spill could become one of the worst in United States history.

    28 April 2010: The President holds a rare, impromptu press conference on Air Force One, addressing "questions on the Arizona immigration law, the financial regulation bill and other issues." Obama also prepared to make his second nomination to the Supreme Court and warns of a "'conservative' brand of judicial activism in which the courts are often not showing appropriate deference to the decisions of lawmakers."

    28 April 2010: large pools of oil are spotted close to the Louisiana shore line.

    29 April 2010: the White House Flickr Feed is updated with a photo of the President meeting with Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano and senior administration officials, including National Security Advisor Gen. James Jones, which indicates that they are urgently working the issue of the oil spill.

    29 April 2010: Meanwhile, local officials, the Coast Guard and private citizens continue their efforts to prevent damage to the Louisiana coastline.

    Perhaps if the oil breached the Louisiana levees, then caught on fire, and then turned New Orleans into a Dresden-like inferno, the President would stop campaigning for a couple of days and actually pay attention to his own, personal Katrina. Even The New York Times has noticed, decrying the President's lackadaisical response. But I'm guessing that somehow, someway, it's all President Bush's fault.

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    You can see the illustrated version here;

    Obama's Katrina's an Illustrated Timeline
    Doug Ross

    http://directorblue.blogspot.com/201...-timeline.html
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    I think the people who went through katrina would be very offended that people are calling this "obama's katrina" simply because many of their loved ones DIED in katrina and everyone else lost everything...

    I guess its time to stop drilling, baby.

    I also dig the source, lol but regardless Obama could have responded sooner but to do what?
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    I don't feel like reading through the Republican talking points. Can I assume it is yet another negative rant about Obama?

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    politics aside, this is a terrible disaster, we should be blaming the oil companies for not having an effective contingency plan before anything else

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmxMedia View Post
    politics aside, this is a terrible disaster, we should be blaming the oil companies for not having an effective contingency plan before anything else
    agree

    and


    suppose it was no accident


    as it happened after Obama talked about more offshore oil drilling


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    The first few days after the explosion and fire was spent trying to find and rescue the missing platform workers. All the while this was going on BP was doing all they could to assure everyone the oil was contained and there would be no major spill. They were lying and I do blame the gov. for taking their words for the truth instead of immediately jumping in and doing their own investigating. Past experiences of the whole damn greedy oil industry proves beyond any doubt they will lie and misepresent the truth in every way they can to protect themselves and their huge profits. Obama is to blame for not knowing this and accepting their lies as the truth in the beginning.

    Even now while we are heading into one of the worst disasters of the century BP and the government is not doing enough to contain the spill. They have a few...a VERY FEW boats skimming up the oil but not near enough to make a difference. They have thousands of boats running around all over the place out there wasting time and money doing nothing but looking at the oil but what they need are thousands of skimmer boats, not just a few.

    They also need oil tankers and/or oil barges all around the spill with hoses and pumps to unload the oil water mixture from those skimmer boats so that they can continue skimming without going back to land to unload. They also need gas and diesel boats/tankers/barges located all around the spill so the skimmer boats can be refueled free of charge and can continue working around the clock.

    Why aren't they doing this? They have already proved the skimmer boats work. All they need is more of them. Why isn't our government doing this? They should have every skimmer boat available out there right now and more on the way with open communications directing them where they are needed the most. Cost of this should not matter, BP made BILLIONS $$ of profits last year alone. This spill must be controlled at any cost......before its too late.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DomainsInc View Post
    I think the people who went through katrina would be very offended that people are calling this "obama's katrina" simply because many of their loved ones DIED in katrina and everyone else lost everything...

    I guess its time to stop drilling, baby.

    I also dig the source, lol but regardless Obama could have responded sooner but to do what?
    You should, the article was written by a Native of New Orleans, and yet you claim they would be offended?

    And are you that clueless of the power and pull the President has in disasters like this? Not to mention Homeland Security, The EPA and the Dept of the Interior's FAILURE to act on this before it spun out of countrol.

    ---------- Post added at 10:32 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:14 AM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by bmugford View Post
    I don't feel like reading through the Republican talking points. Can I assume it is yet another negative rant about Obama?

    Brad
    I completely understand, If I was a diehard Obama drone, I probably wouldn't want to read about his FAILURES either.

    ---------- Post added at 10:37 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:32 AM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by mmxMedia View Post
    politics aside, this is a terrible disaster, we should be blaming the oil companies for not having an effective contingency plan before anything else
    Agree, But keep in mind that GOVERNMENT regulates the Oil Companies and these Off Shore rigs... Where was the Government's demand, NO scratch that.. Where was the demand from MR. Environment himself that a contingency plan be required before granting offshore leases and allowing them to drill?
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    I think this a greater call for in-shore drilling and nuclear power plants!

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    Let's look at some other facts.

    April 20, 2010 - Explosion and fire on Transocean Ltd's drilling rig Deepwater Horizon licensed to BP; 11 workers missing, 17 injured. The rig was drilling in BP's Macondo project 42 miles southeast of Venice, Louisiana, beneath about 5,000 feet of water and 13,000 feet under the seabed. A blowout preventer, intended to prevent release of crude oil, failed to activate.

    BP did not mention anything about a possible spill.

    April 22 - The Deepwater Horizon rig, valued at more than $560 million, sink and a five mile long oil slick is seen.

    Quote Originally Posted by Raider View Post
    22 April 2010: President Obama delivers a speech on Wall Street to advocate more government intervention in the country's financial sector, but offers no reforms for Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac, which helped precipitate the 2008 meltdown. He also delivers a speech regarding the contributions of Earth Day to environmental awareness.

    Meanwhile, 200,000 gallons of oil are spilling daily.

    23 April 2010: The oil continues to flow.
    April 23: The day after the rig sank, the AP reports: "Coast Guard Rear Adm. Mary Landry said Friday morning that no oil appeared to be leaking from the well head at the ocean floor, nor was any leaking at the water's surface. However, Landry said crews were closely monitoring the rig for any more crude that might spill out.

    (Someone had to have deplolyed the coast guard - chances are it was our government since they are considered a military entity. The day after the rig sank the government was involved.)

    24 April 2010: Efforts to contain the spill are hampered by lack of resources and difficult weather.
    April 24: In the late afternoon, the AP reports that the Coast Guard has reversed its earlier statement that there was no oil leaking. The wire service quotes Guard officials as saying an estimated 1,000 barrels of oil per day are coming out of the well head on the ocean floor, 5,000 feet under water. Landry says that the oil may have been pouring out since the rig sank on April 22.

    BP's chief operating officer, Doug Suttles, speaking about options on responding to the spill, says, "Over the next several days, we should determine which method is the best one to follow"

    25 April 2010: Oil spreads across the gulf and heads toward the Louisiana shoreline.

    26 April 2010: The Coast Guard warns that the spill could become one of the worst in United States history.
    April 26: BP says in a press release it is 'accelerating offshore oil recovery and continuing well control efforts. Improved weather "combined with the light, thin oil we are dealing with has further increased our confidence that we can tackle this spill offshore," says BP chief exec Tony Hayward.

    April 27 - U.S. departments of Interior and Homeland Security announce plans for a joint investigation of the explosion and fire. The Coast Guard says the leaking crude may be set ablaze to slow the spread of oil in the Gulf.

    April 27: After underwater robots fail to stop the flow of oil, the coast guard floats the idea of containing pools of oil in containment booms and then setting it on fire. Meanwhile, BP says it will begin drilling a new relief well near the spill site later in the week; the process could take months.

    Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA), chair of the Energy and Commerce committee, writes a letter (.pdf) to the chairman of BP notifying him of an investigation into "what the companies knew about the risks of drilling at the site and the adequacy of the companies' response plans." He charges that "[a] striking feature of the incident is the apparent lack of an adequate plan to contain the spreading environmental damage. The two companies involved, BP Exploration and Production, Inc., and Transocean Ltd., are attempting to contain the oil spilling from the well with techniques that have never been used before at these ocean depths."

    Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano and Interior Secretary Ken Salazar announce an investigation of the explosion.

    28 April 2010: large pools of oil are spotted close to the Louisiana shore line.
    April 28 - The Coast Guard says the flow of oil is 5,000 barrels per day (bpd) (210,000 gallons/795,000 liters) -- five times greater than first estimated. Controlled burns begin on giant oil slick, but shifting winds are expected to push crude ashore.

    29 April 2010: the White House Flickr Feed is updated with a photo of the President meeting with Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano and senior administration officials, including National Security Advisor Gen. James Jones, which indicates that they are urgently working the issue of the oil spill.

    29 April 2010: Meanwhile, local officials, the Coast Guard and private citizens continue their efforts to prevent damage to the Louisiana coastline.

    Perhaps if the oil breached the Louisiana levees, then caught on fire, and then turned New Orleans into a Dresden-like inferno, the President would stop campaigning for a couple of days and actually pay attention to his own, personal Katrina. Even The New York Times has noticed, decrying the President's lackadaisical response. But I'm guessing that somehow, someway, it's all President Bush's fault.
    April 29: Suttle acknowledges on the Today Show that the government's new estimate may be accurate. In a Rose Garden statement, Obama says the Administration will use "every single available resource" to address the spill, including the military. He also says BP will have to pay the costs.

    April 29 - Obama pledges "every single available resource," including the U.S. military, to contain the spreading spill, which Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano says is of "national significance." Obama also says BP is responsible for the cleanup. Louisiana declares state of emergency due to the threat to the state's natural resources.

    April 30 - An Obama aide says no drilling will be allowed in new areas, as the president had recently proposed, until the cause of the Deepwater Horizon accident is known.

    Dates supplied by Reuters: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6482L220100509
    Also by: http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmem...timeline_1.php

    The "slow" response could be partiually blamed on BP's downplaying of the situation. They claimed the oil was contained so they government thought it was contained. It was the US Coast Guard that start to say "hey, there i a real problem here" yet BP still refused to ask for help. I guess witholding the bad news is not as important as their stock prices - or they wanted time for all their executives to dump all their stock before it tanked from the news.

    If anyone needs a hard slap over this it's BP and the owner(s) of the rig. I'm sure the rig owner will go bankrupt over this (no big deal, I think large oil companies form these companies just for situations like this). BP didn't even admit that the spill was as bad as the US coast guard was saying that it was until April 29th.

    Its funny how people (not just you Raider - many people are guilty of this, here and on other forums) come out of the woodwork and complain how things should have been done (and it's not just a R or a D issue - both sides are guilty of this). It's easy to look back and say "well, this should have been done", "they shoudn't have done that". It's very hard to look at what data is available to you and make decisions that coule be right or wrong.

    Politicians spend too much time pointing fingers at each other (and yes, we saw the same exact thing with Katrina and many other disasters in the USA - at least with Hurricane Wilma Jeb Bush stood up and told everyone to knock it off). Maybe if politicians spent their energy on finding solutions as opposed to blame things (in general) would get done far sooner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by draggar View Post
    Its funny how people (not just you Raider - many people are guilty of this, here and on other forums) come out of the woodwork and complain how things should have been done (and it's not just a R or a D issue - both sides are guilty of this.
    Yes, it is funny.

    What's even more funny, is where the critics are coming from.

    But here is what I find most amusing:

    What does Governor Bobby Jindal of Louisiana, Governor Haley Barbour of Mississippi, Governor Robert Riley of Alabama, Governor Charlie Crist of Florida have in common?

    They are all governors of the Gulf Coast states.
    They are all republicans.
    They are all legitimate potential 2012 GOP Presidential Candidates


    Not a single one has come out to publicly decry the Obama administration's response to the oil spill.

    Anyone can blog.

    So, why is it that the Governors of the Gulf States who are all Republicans and who are all potential 2012 Presidential Candidate against Barack Obama; why have these men not taken shots at the current administration's lack of response to the oil spill?

    I find it odd that (then Congressman) Jindal was highly outspoken and critical of the Bush Adminstrations' and FEMA's response, waste and fraud.

    What, shame in his own party? But yet no public outrage against the Obama Machine?

    Same can be said about Governor Haley Barbour. Very critical of the lack of response and aide post-Katrina, he mobilized his own people and gladly accepted any team, aid, engineers, etc from any other state. Very outspoken among many topics. Yet, no public outcry condemning the Obama response?

    How odd that these two men in particular are considered by many as serious contenders for the 2012 GOP candidacy have made no public comments against the man they hope to beat.

    I'll admit...I am a huge Haley Barbour fan and have been since Katrina. He is a no-nonsense, get er' done type of guy. That I like. Do I like him as a presidential candidate? Not sure.


    But it seems to me that the cameras and media would be (and are) all over these men just hinging on their words.

    Their words carry a lot of weight in local politics and even in the national scene.

    As I said, anyone can blog.

    I await for updates from Jindal, Barbour and the Obama administration.

    When I hear criticism in the form of their own words, I'll listen.

    And I await for the next phone call or email from my Uncles, and Aunts, cousins and freinds from Diamondhead Mississippi over to New Orleans down to the bayou of Houma Louisiana keeping me posted on what's going on and how everyone's handling it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by draggar View Post
    Someone had to have deplolyed the coast guard - chances are it was our government since they are considered a military entity. The day after the rig sank the government was involved.)
    Pure speculation on your part, where is the evidence to support anyone in Washington DC deployed the Coast Guard to the scene?, How do you know they weren't doing their JOB?

    Quote Originally Posted by draggar View Post
    If anyone needs a hard slap over this it's BP and the owner(s) of the rig. I'm sure the rig owner will go bankrupt over this (no big deal, I think large oil companies form these companies just for situations like this). BP didn't even admit that the spill was as bad as the US coast guard was saying that it was until April 29th.
    Were already in agreement on this, But what you seem to be missing is one very important point; Who has the most resources at their disposal to stop the leak, contain the area and clean this mess up before it reaches our shores, BP or the US Government?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Com View Post
    They are all governors of the Gulf Coast states.
    They are all republicans. They are all legitimate potential 2012 GOP Presidential Candidates

    Not a single one has come out to publicly decry the Obama administration's response to the oil spill.
    Why should our Government representatives lower themselves to the Liberal scumbags who Bashed Bush for not responding quickly enough to Katrina?...

    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Com View Post
    So, why is it that the Governors of the Gulf States who are all Republicans and who are all potential 2012 Presidential Candidate against Barack Obama; why have these men not taken shots at the current administration's lack of response to the oil spill?
    Could it be because their asking for FEDERAL assistance on cleaning up the mess?

    Your obviously CLUELESS about what's going on, Why dont you spend some more time getting your facts before making a FOOL out of yourself?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Raider View Post
    Pure speculation on your part, where is the evidence to support anyone in Washington DC deployed the Coast Guard to the scene?, How do you know they weren't doing their JOB?
    The Coast Guard is part of the US military, correct? Oh, wait, their website is http://www.uscg.mil/ - .mil = military. OK.

    What is part of the president's job? Hmm, I think it has something to do with being commander and chief of our military?

    While that may be enough for some - the military cannot deploy themselves they need to be deployed by someone else (higher ranking officers) and if they intervene in something like this they need approval (yes, I checked with a friend of mine who was in the coast guard). They go where they're told to go, they can't just decide "hmm, maybe I'll go here or there today..." they're told where they need to patrol or go for rescue / recovery operations - this even includes ship captains.

    In the event of an emergency in their patrol area, I'm sure they can intervene but it wasn't for 3 days until they were there - that's a little long to happen to be in the neighborhood with their deployment - considering they had submersibles with them they were deployed there to investigate the "accident" (BTW - I'm still not convinced this was an accident).

    Also, I never said that anyone from Washington DC deployed them (even though their top boss is the president), I just said that the government was involved - considering that the military is considered a government entity (and if not, then why are people bashing the government for what's going on in Iraq and Afghanistan?). If people are going to blame the president for what the military does then shouldn't the opposite happen?

    Were already in agreement on this, But what you seem to be missing is one very important point; Who has the most resources at their disposal to stop the leak, contain the area and clean this mess up before it reaches our shores, BP or the US Government?
    Resources are irrelevant. The government has far more resources then almost any other entity on the planet.

    If a major security breach is revealed in Windows - should the government step in and pay MS to fix it?

    Toyota's car issues, should the government step in and help them fix the issue?

    A small thunderstorm hits a town and a few dozen people need to make insurance claims from damage- should the government step in?

    It is BP's mess - they should clean it up and if it is too big it is their responsibility to ask for help. Or do you think the government should get involved with every little thing (micromanage) that goes on? Does Barak need to micromanage the whole USA or trust in his staff and/or advisers to do their jobs and expect businesses to be responsible (I know, it's not a perfect world).

    It's clear that BP seriously downplayed the severity of this situation nor have they acted responsibly but IMO now is not the time to point fingers, it's the time to get this job done. When it's done, then point fingers and smack some corporations as well as issuing new restrictions.
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    No, wrong on all levels as usual.

    There is no criticism to be doled out.

    And that must really be messing with your psyche.

    The only issue are your puppets trying to make this an issue, which (like you) is so far from the truth - good luck with that.

    Why should our Government representatives lower themselves to the Liberal scumbags who Bashed Bush for not responding quickly enough to Katrina?...

    Do you mean that same Bobby Jindal and Haley Barbour that I mentioned? You are now referring to them as Liberal scumbags because they did criticize the Bush response - ahem, "non response?" Not conservative enough for you?

    As for getting facts straight - again, good luck with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by draggar View Post
    The Coast Guard is part of the US military, correct? Oh, wait, their website is http://www.uscg.mil/ - .mil = military. OK.
    Not to mention that Admiral Thad Allen, USCG, has been appointed as the front person for the federal government handling this spill.

    His appointment came on May 1, to the great dismay of many non-informed peeps want to dispel rumors the government has not done anything or enough. In reality, he has been involved from day one with the explosion, search and rescue, and recovery. He was tapped to head the government response.

    Is he qualified? Yes. He is the person that replaced the disgraced Bush FEMA director Micheal Brown after the response/non-response to Hurricane Katrina.

    Also, this was initially a rescue effort of more than 100 people at sea on a burning oil rig.

    It later became a collapsed well.

    The search and rescue continued for days afterwards.

    The oil rig and platform is owned by a private entity.

    It is the responsibility of that private enterprise to control, contain, and shut off.

    BP was not forthright with the reports.

    It was the enormity and the continued leaking of oil that turned this into a Federal Emergency.

    Up until the point that a Emergency Declaration was declared, this was still an explosion at sea, a eventual sinking of the platform, and a search and rescue operation.
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    Resources are irrelevant. The government has far more resources then almost any other entity on the planet.

    If a major security breach is revealed in Windows - should the government step in and pay MS to fix it?

    Toyota's car issues, should the government step in and help them fix the issue?

    A small thunderstorm hits a town and a few dozen people need to make insurance claims from damage- should the government step in?

    It is BP's mess - they should clean it up and if it is too big it is their responsibility to ask for help. Or do you think the government should get involved with every little thing (micromanage) that goes on? Does Barak need to micromanage the whole USA or trust in his staff and/or advisers to do their jobs and expect businesses to be responsible (I know, it's not a perfect world).

    It's clear that BP seriously downplayed the severity of this situation nor have they acted responsibly but IMO now is not the time to point fingers, it's the time to get this job done. When it's done, then point fingers and smack some corporations as well as issuing new restrictions.
    Based upon Oil Pollution Act of 1990, it definitely should have got involved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fab View Post
    Based upon Oil Pollution Act of 1990, it definitely should have got involved.
    The Coast Guard was on scene.

    The Coast Guard does not own or operate submarines.

    The Coast Guard was involved in a rescue, search and rescue, and coordinated the extinguishing and containment of the fire.

    As for damage one mile down, they were relying on the contracted submersibles by BP. Their initial assessment(s) came from information from BP who reported no leakage. Then a little bit of leakage, then 1000 gallons, and so on.

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    For those that missed it, it was all out hilarity to see former FEMA director (and IAHA Chief Steward - International Arabian Horse Association) Mikey Brown being interviewed on FOXNews blaming this entire incident on the Obama Administration.

    Does anyone take this buffoon seriously?

    No.

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    Yes Obama dropped the ball on this one. Very late response on his part but no outcry from any of the media outlets especially ABC, NBC and CBS. Katrina was a mess but Bush did respond in 3 days Obama took over a week. Seems to me there is a double standard at play here.

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    Wow, facts again distorted.

    If you are wondering why NBC, CBS, ABC, BBC, CNN, HLN, are not reporting the way you want to see it is because they do not see it the way you (and a few others) want to see it.

    Again, why are those same critics against Bush (Jindal, Barbour, et al), fellow republicans who criticized the Bush response WHILE it was was going on, why have they been silent?

    Don't you think the front line GOP candidates would be having a field day chastising the Obama administration if what you perceive to the truth was actually the truth?

    Let's face it. A blogger has written something you agree with and you so want the rest of the world believe it to.

    Well, life doesn't happen that way. And sometimes politics don't happen that way.

    Isn't that odd?

    The GOP stalwarts who openly and vocally criticized Bush have not come out against Obama?

    That must be eating away at your viscera.

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    You have to let the SS find any threats to the president before the Presided goes over that area.

    Obama on the Oil Rig, No one really knows what happened: 3 days to make sure no small subs in the waters to blast is ass out of the sky.

    Bush in New Orleans: 2 to 3 days to make sure no surface to air missiles around.

    oh well, something to think about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raider View Post
    You should, the article was written by a Native of New Orleans, and yet you claim they would be offended?

    And are you that clueless of the power and pull the President has in disasters like this? Not to mention Homeland Security, The EPA and the Dept of the Interior's FAILURE to act on this before it spun out of countrol.[COLOR="red"]
    The author has a clear bias. There were rotting bodies in the streets for weeks, months. Rapes in the stadium, murders, etc. I agree that it should be law that the saftey valve that apparently would of stopped all of this should be mandatory. Regardless, the government can throw all the money it wants at the situaton, the fact is there are no solid ideas of what to do. Just speculation. Its a really crappy situation.

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    Um, I am getting my news from natives of New Orleans and Houma, Louisiana, The Times-Picayune, WWLTV.com, residents of Waveland and Diamondhead, Mississippi, NOAA.gov, EPA.gov, USCG.mil, and other gulf coast sources.

    As I mentioned in a previous thread that I started (but was hijacked by the same conspirators) I have been following this news since the outset. When I heard of the offshore rig explosion, I immediately called my uncle in Diamondhead. I know his son (my first cousin) was an offshore rig oilman. My uncle related that my cousin would not have been on this rig as he works for Chevron, not BP. I have been closely monitoring this for my own benefit and just to keep up with what is going on. Much of the same news that my relatives are getting is coming from the same sources, with the exception of local news.

    Yes, the author has bias, as in promotion of self. He conveniently omits key facts such as what was reported, when it was reported, and who was (and has been) on scene from day one.

    Seriously, if there was a conspiracy worthy of note or a story contrary to what the current administration is doing or saying, I am sure the GOP proper would be all over this story and not leave it up to Hannity, Limbaugh, Beck, or the bloggers or the members of DNF to get the word out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 500,000 View Post
    oh well, something to think about.
    You provided nothing to think about.

    I leave that up to all the paranoid delusional types.

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