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When I asked you to do your research, I was referring to the Democrats long history of starting wars..... And they started plenty;Originally Posted by zurc.net
War: World War I
War: World War II
Korean War
Vietnam War
War in Bosnia
Total Service Men KILLED on the orders of Democratic Presidents: 628,183
I'm glad you want to discuss this, But in order to do so, you really need post specifics, I have no clue what your referring to here and neither does the reader.... My feeling is you dont know what the ***k your talking about, So this is what I'm going to do for you; Here's an article you can READ and LEARN.
Hopefully it will improve your ignorance when Democrats gained control of congress, Where everything went to HELL since then;
The Last Two Years
By Randall Hoven
October 19, 2008
The Obama/Biden ticket's entire campaign theme is based on "the last eight years." Maybe we should really look at "the last two years," or the time period when both the House and the Senate were run by Democrats.
In December 2006, after six years of Bush and the last month before the Democrats took over both houses of the national legislature, a snapshot of our economy looked like this.
Unemployment stood at 4.4%.
Real GDP growth over the previous four years (under a Republican President, House and Senate) averaged 3% per year.
A gallon of regular gasoline cost $2.30.
The S&P 500 stock index stood at 1418, or 84% above its post-911 low and more than 7% higher than when Bush took office.
Every year of Bush's Presidency, real (inflation-adjusted) disposable income per person went up. By the end of 2006, the average person was making 9% more in real terms than before Bush became President .
If you recall, that 2006 election was considered a referendum on Iraq. The people wanted change, so they threw out the Republicans and replaced them with Democrats. Welcome Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi.
Here is how they handled Iraq once in office: Harry Reid told us that the Iraq war was "lost" and the surge was not "accomplishing anything." Senator Obama introduced legislation that would have prevented the surge and would have taken all US troops out of Iraq by March 2008 (that would be seven months ago, as you read this) .
Were they right?
Barack Obama now admits that "the surge succeeded." So much for that change. And as the surge succeeded, Congress's approval ratings plummeted. The latest CBS/New York Times poll has it at 12%, well less than half of the already low level it stood at when the Republican Congress was being tossed out in 2006.
The Democratic Congress did a great job, if what you're looking for in a Congress is continual investigation of Republicans. Did the White House out CIA agent Valerie Plame? No, it was the anti-White House Richard Armitage at State, but Congress investigated anyway. Did Alberto Gonzalez, with White House urging, fire nine prosecutors for political reasons? Probably not, and it wouldn't be a crime anyway, but Congress investigated, and is still investigating. Did the CIA, under orders from the White House, "torture" prisoners? No evidence of that yet, but Congress is on the case.
What Congress would not investigate was anything about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. In fact, they fought against such investigations and cast aspersions against anyone who would even doubt the soundness of those institutions. Here is what Barney Frank said:
These two entities, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are not facing any kind of financial crisis. The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.
You can also see on YouTube how Democrats treated the regulators trying to reign in Fannie and Freddie.
But now we know what happened. Fannie and Freddie were run corruptly and ineptly and went bankrupt. Their $1.5 trillion portfolios had to be rescued by the government this year. Franklin Raines, the Clinton-appointed CEO of Fannie Mae who was vigorously defended by Congressional Democrats, was sued by government regulators for cooking the books to the tune of $10 billion to increase his own bonuses to the tune of tens of millions. He settled his suit for an estimated $25 million.
On the other hand, here is what the New York Times had to say in 2003 .
The Bush administration is rightly pushing for the Treasury Department to regulate the two giants, along with the network of federal home loan banks. Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae provide financing to lenders by creating a secondary market for mortgages. All told, these two institutions' debt portfolio exceeds more than $1.5 trillion. Their current regulator is ill equipped to keep tabs on Freddie's and Fannie's sophisticated hedging strategies and the other financial moves they use to manage their huge investments.
And here is what John McCain said on the Senate floor:
For years I have been concerned about the regulatory structure that governs Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac... I join as a cosponsor of the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, S. 190, to underscore my support for quick passage of GSE regulatory reform legislation. If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system, and the economy as a whole.
So on the big things, the surge in Iraq and the failure of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac that led to our recent financial mess, the Democrats were wrong. Dead wrong. One hundred eighty degrees out wrong.
On the other hand, who supported the surge? George W. Bush and John McCain.
Who tried to strengthen the oversight and regulation of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac? George W. Bush and John McCain.
In the case of the surge, Bush and McCain got their way. The result? Apparent victory in Iraq, a country that is now a democracy, at peace with its neighbors, no longer a WMD threat, no longer a terrorist sanctuary, and no longer filling hundreds of mass graves with hundreds of thousands of its own citizens.
In the case of Fannie and Freddie, Bush and McCain did not get their way - Barney Frank did. The result? The failure of Fannie and Freddie, law suits against their executives and the spark that sent banks failing and stocks falling across the globe to the point of threatening a Great Depression.
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Now it's been over 3 years of Democratic control in both the Senate and House, Can anyone tell me what they have to show for it, other than bankrupting this Country?
I wouldn't exactly call it "stealing" More like; "Putting it where it really belongs"
Last edited by Raider; 03-05-2010 at 09:49 PM.
Please vote Republican in 2012, America can not sustain another 4 years
of Liberal policies that are fiscally and socially destroying the country..
I would of actually thought it was just you being uncreative again and since you don't seem to be able to come up with your own ideas / conclusions, it actually does seem fit.I wouldn't exactly call it "stealing" More like; "Putting it where it really belongs"
As for your stats above, lol. You played that out in the other thread and I believe you were put into your place appropriately. No need to do it all over again.
This is your answer of the last 2 years of Bush's term? You made a asinine claim that Bush pushed whatever he wanted through when the Democrats held the majority of the last two years, I responded by posting facts from an outside source and you have NO answer for it, NONE!. Once again you prove what a complete IDIOT you are, A clueless moron who thinks he know politics but hasn't a ***king clue.... All you do on this Forum is repeat whatever you agree with, from the likes of dumbasses like DocCom, Sound bites from PMSNBC and reading bumper stickers..... As long as the message is Anti-Bush, IT MUST BE TRUE.
The fact that you completely ignored this entire article shows what a closed minded individual you are, and you accuse me of not thinking outside the box? Your guilty of this far more than anyone I know.
I would think with all the time you have on your hands, you would pick up a book and educate yourself, but NO, You just wing it and show us how ignorant you are.
Your stupidity just never stops does it? I didn't play anything out, Those stats or rather FACTS, are written in History you dumb ***king moron, Again, LOOK IT UP!.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militar..._United_States
Last edited by Raider; 03-06-2010 at 03:06 AM.
Please vote Republican in 2012, America can not sustain another 4 years
of Liberal policies that are fiscally and socially destroying the country..
This is true, but very misleading really.... The National Debt was at $5.7 Trillion when Bush came into office, he inherited it from former Presidents... Now when Democrats took control of Congress in the last 2 years of Bush's term, the National debt stood at $9 Trillion, This means under a Republican President and Republican House and Senate, Bush and congress added $3.3 Trillion to the National Debt in Bush 6 Years.
This means under a Democrat controlled congress, Democrats increased the National Debt from $9 Trillion dollars to $12.5 Trillion as it stands today, Which means Democrats ADDED $3.5 Trillion to the National Debt in only 3 years time, PASSING the amount Bush and Congress spent during his first 6 years in office!
Now do you see how DocCom skews the facts? This is exactly how idiots like Zurc receive misinformation.
And Obama is fiscally responsible?... LMAO!!! Have you been dipping into that dung laced marijuana again? Anyone, I repeat, ANYONE who thinks Obama is fiscally responsible, clearly has their nose buried up Obama's ass, And I suppose for you, his sh*t doesn't stink either.
Really? and your telling US that? Why dont you tell that a-hole in the white house that? He, Pelosi and Reid are the ones who need that advice the most, They've been spending money we don't since Obama got in, Cash for Clunkers anyone? FREE Healthcare? How about a $787 Billion Dollar Stimulus bill loaded with pork barrel spending The Bill that was SUPPOSED TO CREATE JOBS AND HASN'T!
Where did that money come from? Future tax payers of course, Did you know the debt per taxpayer stands at $113,886 now?.
Actually, 3.3 Trillion, The remaining $1.7 Trillion is on the hands of the Democrats, YOUR Party remember?
Wasn't it YOU who repeatedly said you support the war in Afghanistan? How does that war get properly funded, with Monopoly money? What a damn HYPOCRITE you are.
HE SURE DID!
That we can agree on!
Last edited by Raider; 03-06-2010 at 05:02 AM.
Please vote Republican in 2012, America can not sustain another 4 years
of Liberal policies that are fiscally and socially destroying the country..
Only time I watch msnbc is from 9:30am til about 4pm if I can even make it that long to see how the market is doing, other than that. I am more a history channel, travel channel and On-Demand buff, if I am watching TV at all.
Oh and my claim wasn't that George Bush pushed anything through a Democratic congress, but that George W. Bush AND Dick Cheney pushed anything they wanted through Congress, period. Didn't matter who the majority was, they didn't care. Just do a bit of research on your lord and saviors policies and procedures during this term, not hard to find. I know you are use to just finding the information you want on FoxNews.com and the like and just posting it here, but do a little bit of work and find it yourself.
Stop confusing yourself with the opinion that I preach what I hear, unlike you, I listen, read and come up with my own conclusions and it just so happens to be something completely opposite of what you believe. Somethings are just facts, others are common sense and most are just pure speculation ~ you keep claiming you know and believe that everything you read / believe is fact, when it is clearly only a biased opinion.
Yes, I am the close minded individual. The one who is able to look at situations from both sides rather than waiting for some Right wing nut job to stuff conspiracy theories, hatred and misery into my head and then spew it on the internet trying to act like I am a know it all. Talk about clueless :/
Sigh... some crazy lady on the internet just called me ignorant, my life is over.
Ouch, getting angry are we? Don't blow a fuse now.
You know what else is written in History, already? George W. Bush was the worst President to ever take office in the United States of America.
booyah
Mmm...dumbasses like DocCom.
Once more, tirelessly attempts to discredit me.
A very unhealthy obsession and fixation with me.
Seek psychiatric consultation.
"Just a lot of embarrassment, embarrassed to be part of group of domainers who would do this to their fellow man.",
Condemnation of Mobee boys and investors by our precious Mother Theresa of Domaindom
In everything source you listed, NOT one News source, Which would explain how completely ignorant you are on EVERY SINGLE ISSUE.
More dribble, I'm obviously arguing with an idiot....
The fact is, You FAILED to disprove my point about the downward spiral after Democrats took control of both houses, And the reason you didn't is because you CANT. You were wrong, so next time get your facts straight before accusing others of something you have NO clue about.
You call your responses "Conclusions"? It reads more like meaningless rhetoric to me..... Why is it that your incapable of engaging in a discussion based on facts?
And dont you find it odd that DocCom is the only one here that tries to get your back? Cant you see that he patronizes your stupid ass because he feels sorry for you?, Did you ever think of that?
Nothing you write is based on facts, I'd say 50% of the crap you post here is complete ignorance and the 50% is pure speculation. The 2 major ingredients that make up your stupidity.
We already determined that..
Another brilliant observation by the clueless; "George W. Bush was the worst President before he took office" LMAO.
The worst President who by the way served TWO TERMS.
The worst President was clearly Jimmy Carter, But if Obama continues on the path he's on, He will without a doubt be the worst President this Country has ever had, The worst ONE TERM President.
Last edited by Raider; 03-06-2010 at 02:46 PM.
Please vote Republican in 2012, America can not sustain another 4 years
of Liberal policies that are fiscally and socially destroying the country..
Everyone time I see one of her posts, I love my life a little more. Sigh, I would hate to be such a miserable, close minded individual with nothing but a internet argument to look forward to.
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