Ronnie Speaks out on Health Care

[JMJ]

To that woman and her question about the "Nazi proposals", absolutely. If you want to walk into a meeting with the representative elected by your district and call that person a "nazi", that is your right. You do not thereby earn the right to any sort of dignified response.

I guess we can chalk another "joke" point for the Obama clan

While 1000 Rabbi's we're on hold waiting for Obama to join them in a conference call they were treated to this

"First mistake," Moline tweeted, as he waited for the call to begin. "Music on hold is 'Deutschland uber Alles,' " a classical German anthem, the lyrics to which in part say, "Preserve and protect our Kaiser, our land."


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0809/26273.html

Another eloquent quote from the call

“We are God's partners in matters of life and death,"

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories...#ixzz0OmGEC9Oa


More details on the song/anthem

"Das Deutschlandlied[p] ("The Song of Germany", also known as "Das Lied der Deutschen" or "The Song of the Germans") has been used wholly or partially as the national anthem of Germany since 1922. The music was written by Joseph Haydn in 1797 as an anthem for the birthday of the Austrian Emperor Francis II of the Holy Roman Empire. In 1841, the German linguist and poet August Heinrich Hoffmann von Fallersleben wrote the lyrics of "Das Lied der Deutschen" to Haydn's melody, lyrics that were considered revolutionary at the time.

The song is as well-known by the opening words and refrain of the first stanza, "Deutschland über alles" (Germany above all), but this has never been its title. The line "Germany, Germany above all" meant that the most important goal of the Vormärz revolutionaries should be a unified Germany overcoming the perceived anti-liberal Kleinstaaterei. Alongside the Flag of Germany it was one of the symbols of the March Revolution of 1848. During the Third Reich, German political propaganda altered the meaning of the first verse to stir up feelings of racial superiority.

In order to endorse its republican and revolutionary tradition, the song was chosen for national anthem of Germany in 1922, during the Weimar Republic. Out of similar reasons in 1952, West Germany adopted the Deutschlandlied as its official national anthem, with only the third stanza sung on official occasions. Upon reunification in 1991, the third stanza only was confirmed as the national anthem. "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutschlandlied

[jberryhill]

Yes, and in the US, the same melody is a hymn (and one of my favorites, since I enjoy the bass line). The English lyrics were written in 1779 by the same author as those of Amazing Grace, John Newton.

Glorious Things Of Thee Are Spoken:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tz-iqQrmV1s

Glorious things of thee are spoken,
Zion, city of our God;
he whose word cannot be broken
formed thee for his own abode;
on the Rock of Ages founded,
what can shake thy sure repose?
With salvation's walls surrounded,
thou may'st smile at all thy foes.

...

Savior, if of Zion's city,
I through grace a member am,
let the world deride or pity,
I will glory in thy Name.
Fading is the worldling's pleasure,
all his boasted pomp and show;
solid joys and lasting treasure
none but Zion's children know.

Compare to the Deutschlandlied:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_kpyAF1eSM

I learned this when I was a teenager and had a guest visiting from Austria. I was in the choir, and when we started this hymn, he got the oddest look on his face. Later, he told me he didn't know it was a hymn in the US and was shocked from the intro that we were about to start the German national anthem.

Given that it is one of the most popular and well-known hymns in the US, I'm going to take a wild guess that you didn't spend much time in church, or suppose that it would be on any audio mix of religious music generally.

But, as usual, nice try.

On edit: and if you don't want to listen the tune, just Youtube "Glorious Things Of Thee Are Spoken" and you'll see the "related videos" are a mix of that hymn and Deutschlandlied.

A lot of American Christians don't know the melody is the same for both songs. But that was common back in the 18th and 19th century. For example, English folks chuckle when we sing "My Country 'Tis Of Thee" since we intentionally changed the lyrics of "God Save the King/Queen".

[Gerry]

Oddly enough though, as John has pointed out, the exact opposite is true. The constitution guarantees persons accused of crimes the right to counsel, however, it doesn't guarantee the right for medical care.

Let me get this straight - are you upset that there is no measure in the constitution specifically the right to a fair and speedy exam?

[jberryhill]

But, for more fun from the "Name That Tune" Department...

Compare, "The Hook", Blues Traveler:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjukZs6R6LI

with "Canon in D Major", Pachelbel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZHw9uyj81g

Which inevitably takes me back to my audio copyright presentation on the landmark infringement case of "unintentional copying" between the songs "He's So Fine" by the Chiffons (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZHw9uyj81g) and "My Sweet Lord" by George Harrison (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ls8Mhoafn0).

In the U.S. federal court decision in the case, known as Bright Tunes Music v. Harrisongs Music,[1] Harrison was found to have unintentionally copied the earlier song. He was ordered to surrender the majority of royalties from "My Sweet Lord" and partial royalties from All Things Must Pass. Former manager Allen Klein, who earlier had supported Harrison's case, became the owner of Bright Tunes, after they parted ways. In the long run this worked against Klein, but it resulted in the case continuing for years in court. Interestingly Harrison claimed in a BBC interview with Annie Nightingale that the Judge in the case said that he liked Harrison's version of "My Sweet Lord" more.

But, sure JMJ, a pro-Zionist Christian hymn was used to insult a group of rabbis.

Keep on buying the noize.

[Gerry]

I have a suspicion that the art and compassion of general care of persons was a duty upon families.

The bible went as far as to call this "The Good Samaritan".

People are going to get sick, that is a given. People will get ill and people will die. There is nothing anyone has been able to do (with the exception of three beings) to avoid this. This is a given.

What is not a given is a person committing an act against nature, fellow man, or breaking of laws. These are done by free will. For that matter, the law does address the health issue with a plea of not-guilty by reason of insanity.

Moses brought down the Ten Commandments. What people chose to do with those is another matter.

I am sure someone in the crowd said, "Oy. I don't got a good feeling about this," and was immediately treated in a camel tent with dried blood on the canvas in the shape of a cross . Meanwhile, two stalls down, someone was weighing out figs and she covered her eyes muttering, "I can't look".

[jberryhill]

I have a suspicion that the art and compassion of general care of persons was a duty upon families.

The bible went as far as to call this "The Good Samaritan".

Ummm... Doc, you contradicted yourself there, and could use some Bible lessons.

The POINT of the parable of the Good Samaritan was not about being compassionate to those in your "family". The guy who was injured was a Judean, and had been neglected by other Judeans. The Judeans and the Samaritans couldn't stand each other. It was not only an act of kindness to a complete stranger, but a stranger from a despised clan.

[Gerry]

Sorry, not so much a need in bible lessons but in punctuation, as in:

"..., and compasion of general care of persons, ..."

Guess I did not make that as clear as I could have.

Thanks for catching that.

[jberryhill]

Ah... the hymn thing took me back to Sunday School teacher mode. It's an old habit.

And I should point out also that "Glorious Things Of Thee Are Spoken" is well known among Protestants of a variety of denominations, but not as well known among Catholics.

(but everyone knows the common hazard of reciting the Lord's Prayer in a mixed group, when it gets to "debts/trespasses" and half the room thinks the other half screwed up)

[JMJ]

I'm going to take a wild guess that you didn't spend much time in church

That's an understatement.

[jberryhill]

That's an understatement.

That's okay. But in answer to your threadjack, the bottom line is that the melody, in the US, is a pro-Zionist Christian hymn.

I give the smear machine extra points for that one, though.

[JMJ]

That's okay. But in answer to your threadjack, the bottom line is that the melody, in the US, is a pro-Zionist Christian hymn.

I give the smear machine extra points for that one, though.

Post was on topic. The call was in regards to health care. Which brings to mind another troubling thought. Obama trying to use these Rabbi's to sell his policies.

[jberryhill]

OMG.... a politician speaking to community leaders to discuss policy! That's troubling.

Oh, I love this part, you have finally struck the root of the problem. The Liberal elite aristocrats know just what is best for those in poverty.

You know, fab, if you'd like to discuss health insurance reform, let me know.

I understand you'd rather have this guy setting the policy agenda:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sd_ogUwYrZI

This is not about those in poverty. As you know, a lot of poor folks are already covered by Medicaid (and, yes, I know you don't quite get the difference between that and Medicare). The problems addressed by the proposal - you know, in the real world - are about working people whose employer doesn't provide health insurance and who can't afford it in the current distorted market.

Just out of curiousity, how many plans did you consider before buying your current policy?