Saddam Bluffed the world... that led to the war.

[LarryWentz]

Saddam wanted everyone to believe that he "still" had WMD and was willing to play the shell game with the UN. He did this out of fear .... not of the UN/America but of Iran. He admitted such after he was finally taken into custody. It makes common sense in hindsight.

He just didn't count on 9-11 to happen plain and simple!

Bill Clinton: “If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program” (2/17/98).

Nancy Pelosi: “Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology, which is a threat to countries in the region, and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process” (12/16/98).

Al Gore: “Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter, and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power. . . . We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country” (9/23/02).

Hillary Clinton: “In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. . . . It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security. Now this much is undisputed.” (10/10/02)

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q...FkMDRmM2EyM2Q=
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Interrogator Shares Saddam's Confessions - 60 minutes interview.... http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...n3749494.shtml

"He told me that most of the WMD had been destroyed by the U.N. inspectors in the '90s. And those that hadn't been destroyed by the inspectors were unilaterally destroyed by Iraq," Piro says.

"So why keep the secret? Why put your nation at risk, why put your own life at risk to maintain this charade?" Pelley asks.

"It was very important for him to project that because that was what kept him, in his mind, in power. That capability kept the Iranians away. It kept them from reinvading Iraq," Piro says.

Before his wars with America, Saddam had fought a ruinous eight year war with Iran and it was Iran he still feared the most.

"He believed that he couldn't survive without the perception that he had weapons of mass destruction?" Pelley asks.

"Absolutely," Piro says.

"As the U.S. marched toward war and we began massing troops on his border, why didn't he stop it then? And say, 'Look, I have no weapons of mass destruction.' I mean, how could he have wanted his country to be invaded?" Pelley asks.

"He didn't. But he told me he initially miscalculated President Bush. And President Bush's intentions. He thought the United States would retaliate with the same type of attack as we did in 1998 under Operation Desert Fox. Which was a four-day aerial attack. So you expected that initially," Piro says.

Piro says Saddam expected some kind of an air campaign and that he could he survive that. "He survived that once. And then he was willing to accept that type of attack. That type of damage," he says.

(Note .... Saddam did not want to associate with Bin Laden as he felt he was a threat to his regime.)

In fact, Piro says Saddam intended to produce weapons of mass destruction again, some day. "The folks that he needed to reconstitute his program are still there," Piro says.

"And that was his intention?" Pelley asks.

"Yes," Piro says.

"What weapons of mass destruction did he intend to pursue again once he had the opportunity?" Pelley asks.

"He wanted to pursue all of WMD. So he wanted to reconstitute his entire WMD program," says Piro.

"Chemical, biological, even nuclear," Pelley asks.

"Yes," Piro says.


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I thank George Bush for protecting our country and the steps that were taken since 9-11. We haven't had a terrorist attack here since then.

(Note - I personally believe that he still had limited WMD and some were moved to Syria. I also think I'll unsubscribe to my own thread.)

[Raider]

Well presented Larry.

[Acro]

Yes, blame it on Saddam for invading Iraq. I mean, Saddam constructed fake reports on the existence of WMD and gave them to the US intelligence, then delivered a speech at the US Congress about how he's enriching uranium and then formed an alliance to have Iraq attacked. I can't roll my eyes high enough.

What's wrong, you ran out of blaming Clinton lines?

If there is one man to blame for the Iraq war, that's George Walker Bush. In other countries, he'd have to be taken in front of an international UN tribunal for the crimes. Instead, he's leaving office after ****ing America up the *** financially, to return to Crawford, TX for a game of golf and some good old fashioned hickory smoke.

[acesfull]

And Saddam would likely still be in power if he didn't invade Kuwait.

If there is one man to blame for the Iraq war, that's George Walker Bush.

Wrong. The one man to blame is Saddam Hussein, himself.

[Acro]

I think you have some confusing method of justifying acts of war.

Saddam's invasion of Kuwait was dealt with and there was an agreement to end it after Saddam pulled out. End of story.

But not in the mind of George W. Bush, who wanted to finish off the job his dad could not!

You're justifying a war that killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians, simply because you do not want to see a US president accused of crimes against humanity. But the truth is that Saddam did not bring this onto himself. Sure, he was a bloody dictator - just like any other puppet ruler set by former US governments. All of the independent inspections of United Nations found NO trace of WMD in Iraq, and no indication of Iraq's involvement in the 9-11 attack. If you have any info that says otherwise, post it here.

Here's Donald Rumsfeld, shaking hands with Saddam in 1983 - the days of Ronald Reagan.

[jasdon11]

Saddam wanted everyone to believe that he "still" had WMD and was willing to play the shell game with the UN. He did this out of fear .... not of the UN/America but of Iran. He admitted such after he was finally taken into custody. It makes common sense in hindsight.

He just didn't count on 9-11 to happen plain and simple!

Bill Clinton: “If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program” (2/17/98).

Nancy Pelosi: “Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology, which is a threat to countries in the region, and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process” (12/16/98).

Al Gore: “Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter, and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power. . . . We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country” (9/23/02).

Hillary Clinton: “In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. . . . It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security. Now this much is undisputed.” (10/10/02)

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q...FkMDRmM2EyM2Q=

I thank George Bush for protecting our country and the steps that were taken since 9-11. We haven't had a terrorist attack here since then.

(Note - I personally believe that he still had limited WMD and some were moved to Syria. I also think I'll unsubscribe to my own thread.)

All the above fantasy information was provided by whom? The faction of the CIA that's controlled by the Neocons? The same group that was set up in the 80's to find evidence of the 'very grave threat from Russia'. This group was told "find something we can use as evidence - and if you don't find anything, that itself is proof that they sophisticated means of hiding it...."

None of the stuff that Rumsfeld said the Russians had was true - proven, and the same with Iraq - proven.

And as for your headline: "Saddam Bluffed the world... that led to the war." - can you show us where Saddam told the world he had WMDs? I can only remember him ever denying it. Oh wait, that must be proof, 'cos if he had 'em, he would deny it, right? Burn the Witch!!!!

[Anthony Ng]

I thank George Bush for protecting our country and the steps that were taken since 9-11. We haven't had a terrorist attack here since then.

The U.S. hadn't had a terrorist attack BEFORE 9/11. So who should you thank for that?

I personally believe that he still had limited WMD and some were moved to Syria.

First off, Syria is NOT like Afghanistan in every aspect. So unless Saddam has developed some Star Trek type of WMD, they would be HUGE. And you think they could hide something at least the size of a school bus that the Bush Administration have been so eager to find in order to justify their invasion? Not a chance!

[katherine]

...
I thank George Bush for protecting our country and the steps that were taken since 9-11. We haven't had a terrorist attack here since then.
...

You really think you owe it to bush ?
Fact is, the misguided foreign policy pursued by your govt has fostered global hatred and resentment toward the US. The US now has a lot more enemies than before gwb. And they have more reasons to hate the US.
Personally I feel that my personal way of life has been affected by the bogus war on terror and I hate bush/cheney big time.

[LarryWentz]

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/...classified.pdf


Ummm ...... didn't Saddam declare he had destroyed all of these? How many more unfound weapons are there? Were more shipped out of country (Syria)? Why did he hinder & block UN inspectors and act like he was hiding things?

[Carter]

Saddam was a dictator.
Like hundreds in the world.
Bush is the Devil.

[Banned: theinvestor]

Bush has killed more people than Saddam and what has he gained out of it?

If you believe we are safer today than we were 7 years ago....you are mistaken.

[jasdon11]

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/...classified.pdf


Ummm ...... didn't Saddam declare he had destroyed all of these? How many more unfound weapons are there? Were more shipped out of country (Syria)? Why did he hinder & block UN inspectors and act like he was hiding things?

This proves exactly what I said in post #6;

"Despite many efforts to locate and destroy Iraq's pre-Gulf War chemical munitions, filled and unfilled pre-Gulf War chemical munitions are assessed to exist"

Assessed by who - no one had seen 'em, and no one new where they are - so WHO THE FECK assessed that??????

THINK PEOPLE!

[Acro]

I think Saddam moved them to Area 51 prior to his arrest. But then the Men in Black flashed him with that light and he forgot all about it.

[Carter]

I think Saddam moved them to Area 51 prior to his arrest. But then the Men in Black flashed him with that light and he forgot all about it.

I think Saddam is reincarned in Sara Palin

[BobDiGiTaL]

I thank George Bush for protecting our country and the steps that were taken since 9-11. We haven't had a terrorist attack here since then.

The U.S. hadn't had a terrorist attack BEFORE 9/11. So who should you thank for that?

Was that your attempt at sarcasm?

Feb. 26, New York City: bomb exploded in basement garage of World Trade Center, killing 6 and injuring at least 1,040 others. In 1995, militant Islamist Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman and 9 others were convicted of conspiracy charges, and in 1998, Ramzi Yousef, believed to have been the mastermind, was convicted of the bombing. Al-Qaeda involvement is suspected.

George Bush PROMISSED to seek out and bring to justice not only terrorists but also governments that harbor terrorists.
He may have been selective, but that's what he did.

[LarryWentz]

The U.S. hadn't had a terrorist attack BEFORE 9/11. So who should you thank for that?

Well - at least your ignorance is exposed on the subject as it is commonly known that the World Trade Center was previously attacked in 1993. That's right - they didn't bring down the towers on the first attempt years earlier.


January 24, l975 - New York city - bomb set off in historic Fraunces Tavern killed 4 and injured more than 50 people. Puerto Rican nationalist group (FALN) claimed responsibility, and police tied 13 other bombings to the group.

1993
Feb. 26, New York City: bomb exploded in basement garage of World Trade Center, killing 6 and injuring at least 1,040 others. In 1995, militant Islamist Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman and 9 others were convicted of conspiracy charges, and in 1998, Ramzi Yousef, believed to have been the mastermind, was convicted of the bombing. Al-Qaeda involvement is suspected.


http://www.nycop.com/Mar_00/Terroris...ism_in_ny.html


Note - we also have had home grown terrorists with Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols responsible for the Oklahoma City bombing



(LOL - I see Bob was thinking the same thing as me at the same moment)

[Seraphim]

Saddam wanted everyone to believe that he "still" had WMD and was willing to play the shell game with the UN. He did this out of fear .... not of the UN/America but of Iran. He admitted such after he was finally taken into custody. It makes common sense in hindsight.

He just didn't count on 9-11 to happen plain and simple!

Bill Clinton: “If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program” (2/17/98).

Nancy Pelosi: “Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology, which is a threat to countries in the region, and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process” (12/16/98).

Al Gore: “Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter, and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power. . . . We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country” (9/23/02).

Hillary Clinton: “In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. . . . It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security. Now this much is undisputed.” (10/10/02)

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q...FkMDRmM2EyM2Q=

I thank George Bush for protecting our country and the steps that were taken since 9-11. We haven't had a terrorist attack here since then.

(Note - I personally believe that he still had limited WMD and some were moved to Syria. I also think I'll unsubscribe to my own thread.)

There's "behind the herd", there's even "three legged buffalo", but this goes well beyond that... this is like "an archaeologist discovering the buffalo chips" level of "behind the herd".

People will believe any lie if they want it to be true.

[ARMG]

I think Saddam moved them to Area 51 prior to his arrest. But then the Men in Black flashed him with that light and he forgot all about it.

Hahaha! This must be the funniest post of the day! This is even better than Raiders posts XD.

[Anthony Ng]

Well - at least your ignorance is exposed on the subject as it is commonly known that the World Trade Center was previously attacked in 1993.

You APPARENTLY did NOT "get it".

Timothy McVeigh? Who the heck is he?

Was that your attempt at sarcasm?

OF COURSE, there were and will be so-called "terrorist attacks" before AND AFTER 9/11. So you should thank that W guy when the U.S. was "safe" between 9/11 and now, but blame say Bill Clinton because 9/11 happened less than 8 months after he left office, or Obama because there is another 911-like attack in his term?

[LarryWentz]

You APPARENTLY did NOT "get it".

Timothy McVeigh? Who the heck is he?


OF COURSE, there were and will be so-called "terrorist attacks" before AND AFTER 9/11. So you should thank that W guy when the U.S. was "safe" between 9/11 and now, but blame say Bill Clinton because 9/11 happened less than 8 months after he left office, or Obama because there is another 911-like attack in his term?

Man... the jibberish nonsense is spewing. Al-Qaeda was responsible (and the Taliban for protecting them). Bill Clinton & Obama were not brought up .... except by you. You made the statement that we weren't attacked by terrorism in the US before 9-11 because you didn't have a clue on the truth.