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    If the conservative/right media, namely Fox News, would just tell the truth their viewers wouldn't be the most uninformed. No more explanation needed.

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    Please provide examples of the "intentional" stuff to which you are referring. And please, don make your double standard hypocrisy too obvious. For instance, when ABC NBC CNN etc intentionally dont report on a story that doesnt favor their perspective. How many times have we seen that ? Or how they conveniently apply political labels to Republican and fail to do so for Democrats when lawmakers get caught violating ethics etc. I can show you plenty of examples of intentional BS on the left media. Please show me the stuff on the right, and Im sure there is some, but show it to me. Just links will do fine. SO they are both doing it?? What? OMG! Im shocked. Just like our government intentionally has waited until after the elections to try and cram through controversial legislation without debate. Its all a ploy designed to deceive and avoid transparency. Our president is one of the biggest bull$hitters on the planet. "it'll be on Cspan" . BS. "we have to stop earmarks" BS. They are all lying and my point is you have to be able to think for yourself. If you just listen to your favorite a$$hole and treat him as your deity well thats pathetic. Scrutinize your mentors. Hold your media and your politicians accountable. When Pelosi says we have to pass the bill to see whats in it, you should say, why cant we see whats in it first. Why does there have to be over 220 waivers already to a healthcare bill that is less than one year old? I thought it was Universal? Not so much huh? I like a lot of the HC bill by the way but the waivers just prove that it is crap and they are going to pick and choose, i.e. micromanage the thing. The same rules should apply to everybody. SO you have this deception in the media, in the government, and all over the internet. So its up to you to do your homework, be rational, be suspect, and figure out who is lying. If we just go on repeating it all over these forums, we just are manifestations of all the same crap. Dont pretend Fox is guilty of something that your other outlets arent. If you believe that, you are as dumb as a rock. I hope you dont believe that.

    Now if you would please provide irrefutable proof of FOX intentionally misleading, deceiving, spreading misinformation, I am waiting because this is exactly what I need to see so I can hold them accountable.

    Please dont hesitate. Im anxious.

    any link to Media Matters does not count. If thats all you have, dont waste our time as they are just more opinions. I need proof.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NexSite View Post

    Now if you would please provide irrefutable proof of FOX intentionally misleading, deceiving, spreading misinformation, I am waiting because this is exactly what I need to see so I can hold them accountable.
    Why not read the research done as noted in the very first post.

    A link to the UMd study is right there.

    This is what happens when someone jumps in the thread without even knowing what the thread is about or the source of the information.

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    Because it doesnt prove anything. It is based on opinions of viewers and non viewers. How are opinions proof?

    The study found that daily Fox News viewers, regardless of political party, were "significantly" more likely than non-viewers to erroneously believe that:

    Then they list ten things. Now look at those ten things. Very interesting and even some stupid questions. BUt the point is, the questions themselves ARE supposedly the misinformation. Right?

    * Most economists estimate the stimulus caused job losses (12 points more likely) How many economists are there? Did we ask them all? How many is most?

    * Most economists have estimated the health care law will worsen the deficit (31 points) How many is Most? How many economist are there?

    * The economy is getting worse (26 points) Hmmm. Is this Erronious? Unemployment has been rising, usually a pretty good sign of a worse economy.

    * Most scientists do not agree that climate change is occurring (30 points). How many scientists are there? Is AL GOre one? Now this is just plain stupid. My cat knows climate change is occurring, wont even stay outside for 5 minutes today.

    * The stimulus legislation did not include any tax cuts (14 points) This question is misinformation. So are you telling me Fox reported this to be a fact? Please show me that.

    * Their own income taxes have gone up (14 points) Stupid question. If you make more money, your taxes do go up. Did they ask if they made more money?

    * The auto bailout only occurred under Obama (13 points) Now I even had to explain to my Liberal Union friends that Bush bailed out GM first. They dont watch Fox. Again. DId FOX report this? I dont think so.

    * When TARP came up for a vote most Republicans opposed it (12 points) This I can believe. Unfortunately, most knuckelheads dont know the difference between TARP and Stimulus. Its a shame.

    * And that it is not clear that Obama was born in the United States (31 points) For many, it is still not clear. ITs not clear even if you "believe" he was. I believe he was but I cant prove it. Its not clear.


    Stupid survey basted on Opinions that doesnt PROVE anything other than people are idiots. Does not prove even in one instance that FOX news intentionally misreported facts. It "implies" that fox news viewers are subject to alternative views on a variety of subjects. And it proves that whomever designed this survey is attempting to use misinformation to prove misinformation but that they did a lousy job.

    You have stated that Fox INTENTIONALLY misleads. Show me some examples please.

    There has got to be a whole bunch out there based on this survey. It cant just all be opinions .

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    Quote Originally Posted by NexSite View Post
    Please provide examples of the "intentional" stuff to which you are referring. And please, don make your double standard hypocrisy too obvious. For instance, when ABC NBC CNN etc intentionally dont report on a story that doesnt favor their perspective. How many times have we seen that ? Or how they conveniently apply political labels to Republican and fail to do so for Democrats when lawmakers get caught violating ethics etc. I can show you plenty of examples of intentional BS on the left media. Please show me the stuff on the right, and Im sure there is some, but show it to me. Just links will do fine. SO they are both doing it?? What? OMG! Im shocked. Just like our government intentionally has waited until after the elections to try and cram through controversial legislation without debate. Its all a ploy designed to deceive and avoid transparency. Our president is one of the biggest bull$hitters on the planet. "it'll be on Cspan" . BS. "we have to stop earmarks" BS. They are all lying and my point is you have to be able to think for yourself. If you just listen to your favorite a$$hole and treat him as your deity well thats pathetic. Scrutinize your mentors. Hold your media and your politicians accountable. When Pelosi says we have to pass the bill to see whats in it, you should say, why cant we see whats in it first. Why does there have to be over 220 waivers already to a healthcare bill that is less than one year old? I thought it was Universal? Not so much huh? I like a lot of the HC bill by the way but the waivers just prove that it is crap and they are going to pick and choose, i.e. micromanage the thing. The same rules should apply to everybody. SO you have this deception in the media, in the government, and all over the internet. So its up to you to do your homework, be rational, be suspect, and figure out who is lying. If we just go on repeating it all over these forums, we just are manifestations of all the same crap. Dont pretend Fox is guilty of something that your other outlets arent. If you believe that, you are as dumb as a rock. I hope you dont believe that.

    Now if you would please provide irrefutable proof of FOX intentionally misleading, deceiving, spreading misinformation, I am waiting because this is exactly what I need to see so I can hold them accountable.

    Please dont hesitate. Im anxious.

    any link to Media Matters does not count. If thats all you have, dont waste our time as they are just more opinions. I need proof.
    Before I start my research do you want only intentionally misleading information on Fox "news casts" or does all of Fox "News" count? Every time I go down this path people then try to parse things by saying "well that's their editorial edition" not the news. So before I start I need to know which of the talking heads you consider to be the "news" at Fox News so I don't waste my time.

    In other words please be specific as to which Fox News journalists I am able to consider....


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    Why do some Americans insist on calling Fox "news". It is nothing more than the media arm for the Republican Party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NexSite View Post
    Stupid survey basted on Opinions that doesnt PROVE anything other than people are idiots.
    But yet, your scientific survey...er, opinion, is not stupid because you say your opinion is not stupid?

    And, you can provide proof to the contrary, correct? You can provide proof from another reliable survey/source refuting these survey results.

    Amazingly, when people are surveyed they are asked to provide their opinion.

    Quite a novel idea...a stupid survery based (basted) on Opinions.

    ---------- Post added at 04:35 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:27 PM ----------

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    Stupid survey basted on Opinions that doesnt PROVE anything other than people are idiots.
    Once again, with clarity, I have to spell it out for you.

    You are paraphrasing an article that is paraphrasing (providing a summation).

    HERE IS the findings of the survery, the methods used, the measurements, what was tracked, how it was tracked, demographic of respondents.

    I am not sure how much more clearer I can make it.

    Read, understand, comprehend what you are reading BEFORE you simply jump into a thread and start bashing. Otherwise, you are bashing a thread being on your sacred (yet rarely visited) domain forum in the Controversial/Political section without ever once taking the time to look, see, read, comprehend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NexSite View Post
    "playing catch up to asia for a long time" etc. Please elaborate.
    To make it as short as possible, most Asian countries are ready and eager to get ahead, while most Western countries (and Japan) are wrapped up in naval gazing. Everyone has their pet social cause, and what to change society in little ways to suit their "enlightened" and prosperous lifestyles. Underneath that, they take for granted that a certain degree of comfort and security in the West is a given - that they can tinker with things as much as they want and life will continue to be easy. That they can have their cake and eat it, too. The US infrastructure is already heavily decayed, and there is little interest or pride among most people in making advances (going to Mars, building maglev trains... big ideas). The West is decadent, which I must admit is kinda fun at times - but it's also ultimately nihilistic.
    Meanwhile most Asian countries are not so far from poverty, and they know what it is all too well. It's all around still. In China, for example, education is taken seriously. People study hard. They work hard. And their most important priority is to get ahead for themselves and their family. They know that means sacrifice. They are also happy for the advances we sneer at, such as new highways that are essential to lifting an area out of poverty and connecting them with trade.
    Asia in general is looking forward, and going in the right direction. The West in general is looking inward or backward. So, despite their relative positions now, it's the trends that I think will win out. The West is in a period of decay, and worse, denial. Instead they argue whether one rubbish news channel is better than another rubbish news channel. The mass media has never been a reliable source of information.

    This is all my opinion of course, and very much a gross generalization (there are plenty of exceptions). But I thought this 20 years ago, and events since have convinced me even more. Not exactly cheerful stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Domainace View Post
    To make it as short as possible, most Asian countries are ready and eager to get ahead, while most Western countries (and Japan) are wrapped up in naval gazing. Everyone has their pet social cause, and what to change society in little ways to suit their "enlightened" and prosperous lifestyles. Underneath that, they take for granted that a certain degree of comfort and security in the West is a given - that they can tinker with things as much as they want and life will continue to be easy. That they can have their cake and eat it, too. The US infrastructure is already heavily decayed, and there is little interest or pride among most people in making advances (going to Mars, building maglev trains... big ideas). The West is decadent, which I must admit is kinda fun at times - but it's also ultimately nihilistic.
    Meanwhile most Asian countries are not so far from poverty, and they know what it is all too well. It's all around still. In China, for example, education is taken seriously. People study hard. They work hard. And their most important priority is to get ahead for themselves and their family. They know that means sacrifice. They are also happy for the advances we sneer at, such as new highways that are essential to lifting an area out of poverty and connecting them with trade.
    Asia in general is looking forward, and going in the right direction. The West in general is looking inward or backward. So, despite their relative positions now, it's the trends that I think will win out. The West is in a period of decay, and worse, denial. Instead they argue whether one rubbish news channel is better than another rubbish news channel. The mass media has never been a reliable source of information.

    This is all my opinion of course, and very much a gross generalization (there are plenty of exceptions). But I thought this 20 years ago, and events since have convinced me even more. Not exactly cheerful stuff.
    sounds like you're holding some kind of grudge...funny thing is all of the excess you speak of, isn't that what these eagar asian countries are working towards? in the meantime record amounts of kids are being sold into sexual slavery. go figure.

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    No grudge.. that's just the way I see it. In fact, I think it's an inevitable trend in any civilization. China was in the same place once, and that's why they fell apart. So far as sexual slavery, where you have poverty you have all kinds of horrible things. The West isn't immune from that. It's easy to criticize others when they have to face choices that you don't.

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    To Fox's credit Sheppard Smith can be a straight shooter. I like Chris Wallace as well.

    Bonus points for this "tell it like it is" moment:

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    I can even stomach Papa bear though we have nothing in common. Glenn Beck though is doing long term irreparable damage to the Fox brand which is fitting.....


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    This doesn't mean they're "most misinformed". That means they're misinformed on these specific issues. There is a huge difference there.

    Some other subset of the population identified by some other media source and with a different list of issues would be more misinformed on those issues as well. You could probably think of some stuff with the NY Times and hand-picked issues, or something like readers of US magazine being more misinformed about certain issues that the magazine covers. To then label these groups "most misinformed" would be folly and nothing more than an attempt to deride that population in way that is not equitable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whitebark View Post
    Why do some Americans insist on calling Fox "news". It is nothing more than the media arm for the Republican Party.
    I disagree. It may appear that way though as they are the only outlet that actually will report in a conservative light. I can easily see why many people would believe that after being brainwashed by the Liberal media which is all we have had from the beginning of broadcast up until perhaps the mid 90s. Then all of the sudden, shock! A news outfit that has conservative opinions is challenging the status quo. Now, that challenger has become the leader and is a threat to the liberal media driven agenda. Its simply leveling the playing field. You have plenty of liberal news to watch, so why sit here and bash fox all day. Go watch your favorite. Thats the wonderful thing about AMerica. We have the choice still. Unlike Venezuela where the oppositions has been shut down and now the socialist is going to become a dictator. That is only possible when people can get one side of the news, one persppective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NexSite View Post
    I disagree. It may appear that way though as they are the only outlet that actually will report in a conservative light. I can easily see why many people would believe that after being brainwashed by the Liberal media which is all we have had from the beginning of broadcast up until perhaps the mid 90s. Then all of the sudden, shock! A news outfit that has conservative opinions is challenging the status quo. Now, that challenger has become the leader and is a threat to the liberal media driven agenda. Its simply leveling the playing field. You have plenty of liberal news to watch, so why sit here and bash fox all day. Go watch your favorite. Thats the wonderful thing about AMerica. We have the choice still. Unlike Venezuela where the oppositions has been shut down and now the socialist is going to become a dictator. That is only possible when people can get one side of the news, one persppective.
    So what do you think of Glenn Beck?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Domainace View Post
    To make it as short as possible, most Asian countries are ready and eager to get ahead, while most Western countries (and Japan) are wrapped up in naval gazing. Everyone has their pet social cause, and what to change society in little ways to suit their "enlightened" and prosperous lifestyles. Underneath that, they take for granted that a certain degree of comfort and security in the West is a given - that they can tinker with things as much as they want and life will continue to be easy. That they can have their cake and eat it, too. The US infrastructure is already heavily decayed, and there is little interest or pride among most people in making advances (going to Mars, building maglev trains... big ideas). The West is decadent, which I must admit is kinda fun at times - but it's also ultimately nihilistic.
    Meanwhile most Asian countries are not so far from poverty, and they know what it is all too well. It's all around still. In China, for example, education is taken seriously. People study hard. They work hard. And their most important priority is to get ahead for themselves and their family. They know that means sacrifice. They are also happy for the advances we sneer at, such as new highways that are essential to lifting an area out of poverty and connecting them with trade.
    Asia in general is looking forward, and going in the right direction. The West in general is looking inward or backward. So, despite their relative positions now, it's the trends that I think will win out. The West is in a period of decay, and worse, denial. Instead they argue whether one rubbish news channel is better than another rubbish news channel. The mass media has never been a reliable source of information.

    This is all my opinion of course, and very much a gross generalization (there are plenty of exceptions). But I thought this 20 years ago, and events since have convinced me even more. Not exactly cheerful stuff.
    Well, I agree with you on some things. My and another guys forum debate over news channels/ideologies is minute, but it is a small glimpse of the big picture that does hold America back. That is we are a country divided. We are divided by race, class, wealth, ideology and any number of other things. And in our divisions, we have sub divisions. Unlike Japan, China etc, which are primarily one Race of people, you immediately have the benefit of not bickering over skin color and discrimination etc at the levels we do in Americas. We have to overcome many social roadblocks to achieve our goals as a united country of states that contains a divided populace. We have a system that arbitrarily punishes the producers and rewards the non producers with the fruit of the producers labor. Our progressive system is noble in its intent, but is being exploited for political purposes, to the point that the entire structure is in danger of collapsing. We have two major opposing political ideologies that have fractured the people into camps of adversaries, ans withing those camps there are any number of splinter groups, fringes, radicals that only have their special interests in mind. It is all very selfish indeed. But at the top of the heap, its the power hungry meglo maniacs, the elite, who pretend to have "all " of our interest in their hearts. We have a media that is complicit in this class warfare as well. This is an internal American cold war happening right in front of the entire world. While it is going on, the economy suffers while business and people that have the means refrain from economic activity waiting for clear signals. In the mean time, while power is shifting, pols are spending more time trying to appease their interest groups, basically vote buying, by offering one of two things from where I see it. In exchange for votes, the left is offering to redistribute a large portion of the fruits of the risk takers reward to large groups of people who have been told they have been discriminated against, and this usually boils right down to ethnic lines and the left knows it. Its basically the rich conservative white man owes you and we are going to give his money to you if you will vote for us. Just give us the power and we will give you what you need to survive, and you wont have to be "job locked" as Nancy Pelosi put it. On the other side of the coin, you have republican conservatives saying hey, If you vote for us, and you responsibly earn a decent living through hard work and get rewarded for your risks, we will let you keep most of YOUR money. This is supposed to be the incentive to work, be inventive.

    Well its easy to see who's going to win this battle. Government regulation of business, while necessary for sure, has over reached and made it impossible for most people to consider running their own business and hiring employees. SO its basically find a well paying job or your screwed. Well, since most well paying jobs require a degree that cost 100k or more, that not an option for many. SO who do you think they will vote for. But now, thanks to our wonderful government allowing all of our jobs to be shipped overseas, even those with degrees cant find work. The jobs went abroad for many reasons, the cost of Union labor being one of them, and of course good ole capitalist greed. But our government allowed it and still does. We do not make our own clothing here. Its pathetic. Now all we have left is a service oriented economy. Government service. Private service. Unions have heavily managed to get into the public sector, and the result is a pension system that is doomed to collapse. Our govt employees are now making twice the private sector. The unions are now controlling the teachers, fire, police, etc..... and these people will vote dem all day as long as the dems promise to tax the rest of the country to death so they can have theirs. That goes for ethnic groups too. Vote for us, we'll give you amnesty, and we wont enforce immigration laws. Vote for us, and we will sue the USDA and give billions of dollars to discriminated farmers who are black. Need not be a farmer to qualify. Vote for us, and we will pass health care legislation that requires you to buy a product as a condition of your being a breathing carbon life form living in this land. If you cant afford it, are too lazy to work, or want to be an artist, we will make the people who vote for conservatives pay for it. Want to be a corporation. Ok. We want 45%. Most in the world. All that money your grandpa earned and paid taxes on his whole life, we are going to tax it EVERY time it is inherited. EVERY TIME. Want to hire an employee to sell your,. Oh. We dont make anything anymore.

    We are creating the biggest black market on the face of the earth folks. The US government has over reached, and by that I meant the combination of local, state and federal, has become to heavy a burden. Just look at California. A collapse is coming and it will hit the most liberal of states first, heavy unionized public sector states. Im a union member folks. I see the writing on the wall, because our union bosses have become nothing more than your typical self serving politicians. They simply become addicted to other peoples money.


    Im sure I could rant all day and Doc Com will have plenty to say so have at it. But really, this is a domain forum. I shouldnt be doing this here.
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    I'm not surprised Fox News viewers are the most misinformed. Beck needs to get rid of that stupid blackboard. Is he talking to kids? What is he really trying to communicate with the board that he can't do with proper grammar?

    The so called Fox News anchormen ought to learn how to research and deliver news that's worthy of the attention of their viewers. I suppose to expect the likes of an Ed Murrow or Walter Conkrite or Peter Jennings or even Anderson Cooper from Fox News is nothing short of wishful thinking. If anything, Fox news is trying really hard to kill that symbol of broadcast integrity that we used to call the NEWSMAN.


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    Quote Originally Posted by NexSite View Post
    It may appear that way though as they are the only outlet that actually will report in a conservative light.
    If news is being reported from any political slant, thats the very definition of misinformation.
    Gobbels reported the news in a fascist light. It may have been news fascists liked to hear, but did that make it accurate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ilovedomains View Post
    If news is being reported from any political slant, thats the very definition of misinformation.
    Gobbels reported the news in a fascist light. It may have been news fascists liked to hear, but did that make it accurate?
    Not to mention that the "conservative light" may be extremely far right. That is what Falwell, Pat Robinson, et al were all about. These are people of god who are supposed to lead people to god, not to an elected office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NexSite View Post
    Well, I agree with you on some things. My and another guys forum debate over news channels/ideologies is minute, but it is a small glimpse of the big picture that does hold America back. That is we are a country divided. We are divided by race, class, wealth, ideology and any number of other things. And in our divisions, we have sub divisions. Unlike Japan, China etc, which are primarily one Race of people, you immediately have the benefit of not bickering over skin color and discrimination etc at the levels we do in Americas. We have to overcome many social roadblocks to achieve our goals as a united country of states that contains a divided populace. We have a system that arbitrarily punishes the producers and rewards the non producers with the fruit of the producers labor. Our progressive system is noble in its intent, but is being exploited for political purposes, to the point that the entire structure is in danger of collapsing. We have two major opposing political ideologies that have fractured the people into camps of adversaries, ans withing those camps there are any number of splinter groups, fringes, radicals that only have their special interests in mind. It is all very selfish indeed. But at the top of the heap, its the power hungry meglo maniacs, the elite, who pretend to have "all " of our interest in their hearts. We have a media that is complicit in this class warfare as well. This is an internal American cold war happening right in front of the entire world. While it is going on, the economy suffers while business and people that have the means refrain from economic activity waiting for clear signals. In the mean time, while power is shifting, pols are spending more time trying to appease their interest groups, basically vote buying, by offering one of two things from where I see it. In exchange for votes, the left is offering to redistribute a large portion of the fruits of the risk takers reward to large groups of people who have been told they have been discriminated against, and this usually boils right down to ethnic lines and the left knows it. Its basically the rich conservative white man owes you and we are going to give his money to you if you will vote for us. Just give us the power and we will give you what you need to survive, and you wont have to be "job locked" as Nancy Pelosi put it. On the other side of the coin, you have republican conservatives saying hey, If you vote for us, and you responsibly earn a decent living through hard work and get rewarded for your risks, we will let you keep most of YOUR money. This is supposed to be the incentive to work, be inventive.

    Well its easy to see who's going to win this battle. Government regulation of business, while necessary for sure, has over reached and made it impossible for most people to consider running their own business and hiring employees. SO its basically find a well paying job or your screwed. Well, since most well paying jobs require a degree that cost 100k or more, that not an option for many. SO who do you think they will vote for. But now, thanks to our wonderful government allowing all of our jobs to be shipped overseas, even those with degrees cant find work. The jobs went abroad for many reasons, the cost of Union labor being one of them, and of course good ole capitalist greed. But our government allowed it and still does. We do not make our own clothing here. Its pathetic. Now all we have left is a service oriented economy. Government service. Private service. Unions have heavily managed to get into the public sector, and the result is a pension system that is doomed to collapse. Our govt employees are now making twice the private sector. The unions are now controlling the teachers, fire, police, etc..... and these people will vote dem all day as long as the dems promise to tax the rest of the country to death so they can have theirs. That goes for ethnic groups too. Vote for us, we'll give you amnesty, and we wont enforce immigration laws. Vote for us, and we will sue the USDA and give billions of dollars to discriminated farmers who are black. Need not be a farmer to qualify. Vote for us, and we will pass health care legislation that requires you to buy a product as a condition of your being a breathing carbon life form living in this land. If you cant afford it, are too lazy to work, or want to be an artist, we will make the people who vote for conservatives pay for it. Want to be a corporation. Ok. We want 45%. Most in the world. All that money your grandpa earned and paid taxes on his whole life, we are going to tax it EVERY time it is inherited. EVERY TIME. Want to hire an employee to sell your,. Oh. We dont make anything anymore.

    We are creating the biggest black market on the face of the earth folks. The US government has over reached, and by that I meant the combination of local, state and federal, has become to heavy a burden. Just look at California. A collapse is coming and it will hit the most liberal of states first, heavy unionized public sector states. Im a union member folks. I see the writing on the wall, because our union bosses have become nothing more than your typical self serving politicians. They simply become addicted to other peoples money.


    Im sure I could rant all day and Doc Com will have plenty to say so have at it. But really, this is a domain forum. I shouldnt be doing this here.
    Well said. An excellent example of the truth and what the Probama posters here are foolishly describilng as misinformation.
    Last edited by Area52; 12-28-2010 at 09:21 AM.

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