Time Lapse Photographic Evidence Of Climate change!

**HasRob** · 02-24-2010, 11:38 AM

http://www.jiscdigitalmedia.ac.uk/bl...limate-change/

**jasdon11** · 02-24-2010, 12:00 PM

If you had a time lapse camera of the whole world from say, a million years ago to 200k years ago, it would show tens of thousands of glaciers melting - nothing to do with man who wasn't even around.

http://www.papplewick.org/holgate/fi...s/glaciers.htm - where'd all the ice go??

**HasRob** · 02-24-2010, 12:25 PM

I guess that huge spike in co2 on that chart which is way above earths natural spikes in history has nothing to do with us? Dont kid yourself, the last 50 years or so we have been destroying this planet and the evidence is just rediculous. There is no argument.

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http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

**jasdon11** · 02-24-2010, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by HasRob

I guess that huge spike in co2 on that chart which is way above earths natural spikes in history has nothing to do with us?

It's got nothing to do with the glaciers melting, otherwise how do you explain all the other glaciers that have melted - Fred Flintstones car didn't do it.

Originally Posted by HasRob

Dont kid yourself, the last 50 years or so we have been destroying this planet and the evidence is just rediculous. There is no argument.

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http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

We couldn't destroy this planet if all 6 billion of us tried our hardest all day every day....anyone who thinks we can has dilusions of grandeur on a biblical scale. The flipside of that, is the planet could finish us all off in day and wouldn't notice we were gone...

Also, don't bother showing me anything from NASA - that relies on funding from the US government - the biggest gainers from the mmgw conspiracy.

**HasRob** · 02-24-2010, 03:25 PM

You dont have to believe anything you dont want to Joe Skeptic, but you cant deny the overwhelming evidence and data collected by numerous sources period.

**tetrapak** · 02-24-2010, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by jasdon11

We couldn't destroy this planet if all 6 billion of us tried our hardest all day every day....

Actually it could be a decision by a government and it would be over within seconds. We have already exterminated countless species on earth, and there won't be replacement. MMGW or not, we are harming the planet like nothing ever before.

**jasdon11** · 02-24-2010, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by HasRob

You dont have to believe anything you dont want to Joe Skeptic, but you cant deny the overwhelming evidence and data collected by numerous sources period.

Yes, I can. Do you know how I can? Because those 'numerous sources' can't even agree on the fundamentals - except when they cook the figures together.

Can you deny that the Earth has been through numerous warming/cooling periods that have zilch to do with man?

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Originally Posted by tetrapak

Actually it could be a decision by a government and it would be over within seconds.

What!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How?

All the bombs, nuclear devices, nuclear plants, chemicals we have ever created - could not even dent this planet...kill us, yes, but not the planet.

Originally Posted by tetrapak

We have already exterminated countless species on earth, and there won't be replacement. MMGW or not, we are harming the planet like nothing ever before.

It's said that 90% of the species that have ever lived, became extinct before man was even here.

**H2FC** · 02-24-2010, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by jasdon11

If you had a time lapse camera of the whole world from say, a million years ago to 200k years ago, it would show tens of thousands of glaciers melting - nothing to do with man who wasn't even around.

http://www.papplewick.org/holgate/fi...s/glaciers.htm - where'd all the ice go??

Only the uninformed skeptics use this as an argument against the truth. Once again let me repeat.....the period of MMGW started with mankinds industrial revolution, about 150 or so years ago.....and if you didn't know thats exactly what we're talking about in these MMGW threads. There have been NO major or natural events that can account for the recent rise in co2 and global warming other than mankind burning fossil fuels for energy. PERIOD!

The last 150 years is a relative VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME to see our co2 levels go higher than they've been in hundreds of thousands of years and mankind can only be to blame.....nothing else has happened to explain it....GET IT??

**Creature** · 02-24-2010, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by HasRob

http://www.jiscdigitalmedia.ac.uk/bl...limate-change/

Excellent propaganda, but probably best not to take scientific advice from a photographer any more that you might take medical advice from a bricklayer.

**jasdon11** · 02-24-2010, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by H2FC

Only the uninformed skeptics use this as an argument against the truth. Once again let me repeat.....the period of MMGW started with mankinds industrial revolution, about 150 or so years ago.....and if you didn't know thats exactly what we're talking about in these MMGW threads. There have been NO major or natural events that can account for the recent rise in co2 and global warming other than mankind burning fossil fuels for energy. PERIOD!

The last 150 years is a relative VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME to see our co2 levels go higher than they've been in hundreds of thousands of years and mankind can only be to blame.....nothing else has happened to explain it....GET IT??

It doesn't need an explanation - the planet is doing what the planet does.

Just think about it - what if the planet had always been exactly the same temperature - how strange and different it would be today. What about temperature changes on other planets - can you explain that? Little green men perhaps buring fossil fuels??

**Donald Aquilano** · 02-24-2010, 09:45 PM

Here I'm going to end the discussion......Global Warming is an arrogant attempt to control others. Its all about how much money and power the few can have over the many.

**Mike Cruz** · 02-24-2010, 11:28 PM

Originally Posted by bd77

Here I'm going to end the discussion......Global Warming is an arrogant attempt to control others. Its all about how much money and power the few can have over the many.

Thanks, all along I thought that was Christianity, religion, in general. But I guess global warming can almost fall into the same category.

**tetrapak** · 02-25-2010, 03:58 AM

Originally Posted by jasdon11

Yes, I can. Do you know how I can? Because those 'numerous sources' can't even agree on the fundamentals - except when they cook the figures together.

Can you deny that the Earth has been through numerous warming/cooling periods that have zilch to do with man?

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What!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How?

All the bombs, nuclear devices, nuclear plants, chemicals we have ever created - could not even dent this planet...kill us, yes, but not the planet.

It's said that 90% of the species that have ever lived, became extinct before man was even here.

90% of the species in the timeline of... millions of years? We are talking about the last 100 years achievement which is a friction of that time.
The US in the early 50s was already able to "overkill" (remove the whole country in theory) with A bombs 40 times, and at that time they had peanuts compared to nowadays, so you really think it wouldn't even dent the planet?

**jasdon11** · 02-25-2010, 06:05 AM

It would merely scratch the surface.

Let's scale it down a bit; do you think that we could flatten the Andes or the Himalayas using all the bombs we've ever produced?

**tetrapak** · 02-25-2010, 07:16 AM

Not sure what you are trying to get to. Do you mean that we can pollute the earth as much as we like and nothing will happen? This was sadly proved to be wrong millions of times.

For the A bomb question I would rather show you a source that will give the right answer... or not:
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_a...troy_the_world

**jasdon11** · 02-25-2010, 08:35 AM

I'm saying that nothing we can do would 'destroy' the planet. If every bomb in the world went off now today - in a billion years from now its likely that there would be a whole new set of creatures roaming the Earth.

Don't rally know why we got onto this - I was possibly being pedantic on the back of HasRob's comment about 'us destroying the planet' - the planet will be here long after us.

**H2FC** · 02-25-2010, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by jasdon11

I'm saying that nothing we can do would 'destroy' the planet. If every bomb in the world went off now today - in a billion years from now its likely that there would be a whole new set of creatures roaming the Earth.

Don't rally know why we got onto this - I was possibly being pedantic on the back of HasRob's comment about 'us destroying the planet' - the planet will be here long after us.

You apparently visualize "destroying the planet" as seeing it blown up into little pieces.....or somehow made worthless for any kind of life. Too bad you don't recognize that destruction of our planet is very likely by dumping excessive amounts of co2 into our atmosphere....not as you visualize it but by making it unbearable or almost unbearable for humans as well as certain kinds of animal and plant life. That is also called "destruction" by the MMGW believers.....but apparently not by you.

**jasdon11** · 02-25-2010, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by H2FC

You apparently visualize "destroying the planet" as seeing it blown up into little pieces.....or somehow made worthless for any kind of life. Too bad you don't recognize that destruction of our planet is very likely by dumping excessive amounts of co2 into our atmosphere....not as you visualize it but by making it unbearable or almost unbearable for humans as well as certain kinds of animal and plant life. That is also called "destruction" by the MMGW believers.....but apparently not by you.

Yep, that's pretty much how I see it - and we as a race are (in the words of George Carlin) "just a surface irritant". No more capable of destroying the Earth than we of building a new one.

**Raider** · 02-28-2010, 07:43 AM

Originally Posted by Creature

Excellent propaganda, but probably best not to take scientific advice from a photographer any more that you might take medical advice from a bricklayer.

If the ice cream man told H2FC and HasRob the Earth was warming because not enough people are buying popsicles, they would post a new thread titled;

New Evidence Uncovered; Ice Cream proves Global Warming is REAL!!!

Source; He told me so.

**think** · 02-28-2010, 10:51 AM

Quote Originally Posted by Creature View Post
Excellent propaganda, but probably best not to take scientific advice from a photographer any more that you might take medical advice from a bricklayer.

Originally Posted by Raider

If the ice cream man told H2FC and HasRob the Earth was warming because not enough people are buying popsicles, they would post a new thread titled;

New Evidence Uncovered; Ice Cream proves Global Warming is REAL!!!

Source; He told me so.

Did anyone watch the video? Does anyone care to discuss the actual content of the video and it's validity?

James Balog graphically displays time lapsed video from 30 cameras of an increased rate of disintegration of glaciers around the world. He uses this evidence as his basis for his claim that the increased loss of these glaciers are a direct result of global warming. This is what the thread is about and hopefully should be the basis for the discussion.

If you have information that discredits the photographer's integrity or can show alternative causes for the phenomena he is showing that would be a good reason to respond and try to persuade others to believe your point of view. Using wild comparisons like those above to refute the claims made and backed up by years of time lapsed photography doesn't make much sense.