Twelve shot dead and many injured on Fort Hood US Army base

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Looks like some people just drag every thread they are in to a mess and they feel happy that they could make mess around.

We are for ^^^^^ and we are not ^^^^^

[Doc Com]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/11/05/tex...rss_topstories

Officials: Fort Hood shootings suspect alive; 12 dead

CNN) -- A solider suspected of fatally shooting 12 and wounding 31 at Fort Hood in Texas on Thursday is not dead as previously reported by the military, the base's commander said Thursday evening.

A civilian officer who was wounded in the incident shot the suspect, who is "in custody and in stable condition," Army Lt. Gen. Robert Cone told reporters.
"Preliminary reports indicate there was a single shooter that was shot multiple times at the scene," Cone said at a news conference. "However, he was not killed as previously reported."

[picassoface]

Why is there a worldwide fear of criticizing islam ? People criticize Every religion, politician, movie, ad infinitum.
Me personally, i believe it to be evil; from it's inception by the murderer mohammed up to the present terroristic acts the world over.
I'm a Christian and am Never angered or offended if someone slanders Christ and Christianity. In fact, it sparks great dialogue; a debate ensues with both parties learning things new.
It is widely known by readers of the koran that the main goal of islam is to force the whole world to convert or die. Christian believers use gentle persuasion to convert (save) someone, never engaging in violence. In fact, for a professing Christian to harbor even the smallest predjudice in his heart would leave others to question their faith.
I personally know some people that call themselves Christian and openly complain that their church is becomming too "black", or overrun with "hispanics", etc. That shows to me that their profession is suspect.
I'm a firefighter and know of a muslim firefighter on my department that said "Good" right after the 9-11 terror attacts, and refused to raise the US flag in the a.m until his job was at stake.
Some people here will say "You can't say that about someone's religion !". But that just proves my points.

[tassos]

1st fact :he is just a murderer
2nd fact : more carefull psychological exams to army and police men
( the shooter was complaining days ago for personal problems - doesn t matter what were they )

[Doc Com]

Originally Posted by picassoface

Why is there a worldwide fear of criticizing islam ?

It boils down to how the message is presented and delivered.

[zurc.net]

Originally Posted by Doc Com

It boils down to how the message is presented and delivered.

Exactly...




While I think your a nice guy, picassoface, I can't agree with anything in your post, but out of respect for the OP and the soldiers killed, I will not take this thread off-topic.

[PRED]

Originally Posted by Doc Com

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/11/05/tex...rss_topstories

Officials: Fort Hood shootings suspect alive; 12 dead

CNN) -- A solider suspected of fatally shooting 12 and wounding 31 at Fort Hood in Texas on Thursday is not dead as previously reported by the military, the base's commander said Thursday evening.

A civilian officer who was wounded in the incident shot the suspect, who is "in custody and in stable condition," Army Lt. Gen. Robert Cone told reporters.
"Preliminary reports indicate there was a single shooter that was shot multiple times at the scene," Cone said at a news conference. "However, he was not killed as previously reported."

[bd77]

Originally Posted by Doc Com

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/11/05/tex...rss_topstories

Officials: Fort Hood shootings suspect alive; 12 dead

CNN) -- A solider suspected of fatally shooting 12 and wounding 31 at Fort Hood in Texas on Thursday is not dead as previously reported by the military, the base's commander said Thursday evening.

A civilian officer who was wounded in the incident shot the suspect, who is "in custody and in stable condition," Army Lt. Gen. Robert Cone told reporters.
"Preliminary reports indicate there was a single shooter that was shot multiple times at the scene," Cone said at a news conference. "However, he was not killed as previously reported."

Now he's alive? Well now this is actually good news in that they will find out the real reason he did it beyond what has been reported. They'll sweat him for every bit of info including ALL his accomplices....................

Then they can execute him. That's the least they can do for the victims families.

[south]

Originally Posted by bd77

Now he's alive? Well now this is actually good news in that they will find out the real reason he did it beyond what has been reported. They'll sweat him for every bit of info including ALL his accomplices....................

Then they can execute him. That's the least they can do for the victims families.

Well, that's what they *should* do. But in reality, they will probably only be allowed to ask him politely.

[Doc Com]

He was shot four times. He is unconscious and on a ventilator.

[DomainsInc]

After reading some articles I am disgusted at how his fellow soldiers treated him. They threw diapers at his door with a note saying this is what you wear on your head. Spray painted a camel on his car with the words camel jockey. Gee, I wonder why he snapped. Of course this excuses nothing but i find it appauling how the military behaves like middle school students, or worse.

[bd77]

Originally Posted by DomainsInc

After reading some articles I am disgusted at how his fellow soldiers treated him. They threw diapers at his door with a note saying this is what you wear on your head. Spray painted a camel on his car with the words camel jockey. Gee, I wonder why he snapped. Of course this excuses nothing but i find it appauling how the military behaves like middle school students, or worse.

Please provide a source so I can see where you're getting this info from.

[DomainsInc]

Originally Posted by bd77

Please provide a source so I can see where you're getting this info from.

http://news.bostonherald.com/news/na...osition=recent

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle1355269/

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/fort-hood-...9012995&page=2

[bd77]

It seems that this radical Muslim screamed "Allah akbar" before killing his victims. Don't all Muslim terrorists say this before they kill their victims?

Originally Posted by DomainsInc

http://news.bostonherald.com/news/na...osition=recent

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle1355269/

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/fort-hood-...9012995&page=2

His uncle said this. That's not proof.

[Doc Com]

Originally Posted by DomainsInc

After reading some articles I am disgusted at how his fellow soldiers treated him. They threw diapers at his door with a note saying this is what you wear on your head. Spray painted a camel on his car with the words camel jockey. Gee, I wonder why he snapped. Of course this excuses nothing but i find it appauling how the military behaves like middle school students, or worse.

I would have a HUGELY difficult time in believing this - especially "fellow" soldiers. I presume we would be talking of other officers who are also compelled to follow the Uniform Code of Military Justice. The Officer and a Gentleman mantra is not just the name of a movie. It actually exists and is a very high standard set for all officers.

[DomainsInc]

Originally Posted by Doc Com

I would have a HUGELY difficult time in believing this - especially "fellow" soldiers. I presume we would be talking of other officers who are also compelled to follow the Uniform Code of Military Justice. The Officer and a Gentleman mantra is not just the name of a movie. It actually exists and is a very high standard set for all officers.

There is all kinds of misconduct in the military from brutal hazing to forcing female soldiers to undress in front of their superiors. I'm sure soldiers talk about killing 'ragheads' quite often as well.

[fab]

Originally Posted by Doc Com

I would have a HUGELY difficult time in believing this - especially "fellow" soldiers. I presume we would be talking of other officers who are also compelled to follow the Uniform Code of Military Justice. The Officer and a Gentleman mantra is not just the name of a movie. It actually exists and is a very high standard set for all officers.

I don't know what actually happened in this specific case, but these problems exist. Here's an example of a religious Jewish soldier who was abused.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/religio...-soldier_N.htm

[Doc Com]

I am interested in the NOW, not the past or historical cases. I know what HAS happened, sexual misconduct, hazing, and so on.

This case is already being treated as a new phenom that needs further study. It is being preliminarily termed PreStress Traumatic Syndrome vs. the better known PostStress Traumatic Syndrome. This has been an area that should have been further and deeper studied.

Did you know statistics show that soldiers commit suicide PRIOR to being deployed at the same levels as those who have actually been deployed??

This guy had never been deployed but it was his job for the past 6 years to counsel soldiers who had been deployed, injured, wounded, blown up, etc. He had lived through their horror with them daily.

From a medical and psychological point of view, this is new territory to be studied.

In my opinion, this could have easily been a Jew, Christian, Aetheist or anyone to have committed this horrific act. To simply lay it out there as an act of a muslim does not cut it for me and many more. This will not explain why or how it happened and, more importantly, to keep it from happening again.

This is NOT the first nor will it be the LAST of soldiers killing fellow soldiers (fragging). It just happens to be the largest instance to date.

[Area52]

Originally Posted by Doc Com

All of this nonsense has got to stop. Another reason not to send more troops to Afghanistan and time to bring troops home - THERE IS NOT enough troops in the world to rotate through these theaters of war. That is why many are on their 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 4th, 6th or more deployments.

Even though this major was to go for the first time, this is ironically similar to what we are trying to do in Iraq and Afghanistan - train their police and military along side us only to have them turn on those trying to help. Wasn't it just yesterday an Afghani policeman shot and killed 6 british troops he was working with?

Clearly shows a stress and breaking point even before being deployed.

What you geniuses aren't considering is that unlike you, these people are not going to just give up and stop.
Looks like you are anticipating Obama bowing down, again.

[Gregcyber]

Don't worry Doc, Obama will make it a mandate to join the armed forces in order to get food stamps.