U.S Air Strike in Somalia

[Creature]

Originally Posted by yoyosean

HERE WE GO ONCE AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AFTER DESERT STORM SADDAM HUSSEIN AND THE IRAQ GOVT. AGREED TO GET RID OF ALL OF THEIR WMD'S AND IT WAS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THEIR GOVERNMENT TO PROVE THAT ALL OF THE WEAPONS WERE DESTROYED. IT WAS NOT OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO RUN AROUND AND PLAY CAT AND MOUSE GAMES WITH SADDAM HUSSEIN TO FIND OUT WHETHER OR NOT THEY WERE THERE OR NOT IT WAS THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO PROVE THAT THEY DID NOT EXIST. THE MAN THREW OUT THE WEAPONS INSPECTORS AND PLAYED GAMES AND VIOLATED THE AGREEMENT ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS HE ONLY NEEDED TO VIOLATE THE AGREEMENT [b]ONCE/B] TO GIVE US THE AUTHORITY TO RESTART THE GULF WAR CEASEFIRE

IN ORDER TO SAY THAT THERE WAS A LIE YOU WOULD HAVE TO SAY THAT WE KNEW FOR A FACT THAT THERE WERE NO WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION AND SENSE SADDAM DIDNT PROVE THAT THEY WERE NOT THERE WE HAD TO ASSUME THAT HE STILL HAD THEM PERIOD END OF STORY.

THAT IS NOT A LIE!!!!!

DEFINITION - a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood

SO UNLESS YOU CAN PROVE THAT THE ENTIRE FREE WORLDS EVIDENCE THAT SADDAM HAD WEAPONS OF DESTRUCTION WAS SOMEHOW ALL CONCEIVED STRAIGHT FROM GEORGE W. BUSH EVEN BEFORE HE WAS IN OFFICE THAN YOU CANNOT SAY THAT HE LIED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IT WAS UP TO THE EVIL MAN MR. SADDAM HUSSEIN (dead, YEAH) TO PROVE TO US AND THE REST OF THE WORLD THAT THEY WERE GONE AND HE DID NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AND I AM SORRY BUT IF I SHARED A HOUSE WITH THREE MATES AND I FELT THAT SOMEBODY WAS THREATENING ME AND MY HOUSE I WOULD NOT ASK THEIR OPINION WHETHER OR NOT I SHOULD KICK THEIR *** I WOULD RATHER SHOOT FIRST AND ASK QUESTIONS LATER, WE DONT NEED THE REST OF THE WORLDS OPINION ON WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN DEFEND OURSELVES IF WE FEEL THREATENED.

THE WORLD HAS CHANGED SINCE 9.11 AND WE WILL NO LONGER SIT BACK AND WAIT FOR BAD THINGS TO HAPPEN TO US SO WE CAN BE A REACTIONARY SOCIETY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THE TERRORISTS WANT TO HAPPEN US RELAX SIT BACK AND THEN THEY LET OFF A NUKE IN NEW YORK AND KILL HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not Under Gw's Watch!!!!!!! Our Country Let Terrorist Do Too Much To Us With Not Doing Anything In Return At Least Gw Is Doing Something!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now Whether Or Not You Disagree Is Fine But He Isnt Sitting Back Waiting To Get Punched He Is Kicking *** And Taking Names Wherever He Can!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You seem to have very strong opinions set in stone. Not much that I can do about that. I always thought it was an oil thing anyway. Either way its been a total ***k up hasn't it?

[Focus]

black gold baby! GB being a texan and all, they can't get 'nuff of the stuff, and neither can we...hopefully the new jap hybrid cars fix this problem..

Now, this is funny....

http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...ge+bush&page=3

I'm indifferent btw, don't love him or hate him, he does have a pretty tough job imo..and I don't think many others could do it these days...you have to be somewhat of a government tool in these crazy times. Next we will have a Clinton running the country again...hopefully it will still be Bill behind the scenes..love that guy..what a cool president...even got a hummer.

[yoyosean]

no it hasnt, war is not pretty never has been never will so if you compare it to any other war i would say it is probably par for the course.

[Duckinla]

A radio host said today that if we should leave Iraq because it has not been successful so far, then the LA police department should pull out of South Central LA. It's been so many decades of money and effort and the problems are still there, in many cases more dangerous and violent than ever. I guess that we can hope the problems would solve themselves if the police pull out now.
Maybe the US should pull out of New Orleans also?

[Focus]

Those are places in OUR country Duck. And hundreds of GOOD men are'nt dying every month there on the force like they are in our military overseas where we don't belong now.

[Duckinla]

We took responsibility for Iraq when we took out the existing leadership.
It's hard to talk about the death of soldiers as being small or big numbers, because one death is a big number. But relative to other wars, the casualties of this war couldn't even be put on the same graph.

Now the mistake was trying to hand over control of the country before we actually had control of the country. It's very tricky to take responsibility without having full control of the decison making. We need to put that country under martial law, spend 6 hard months cleaning it out, and then hand control back to the government. Of course that is not a very popular or politically correct way to go.

[GT Web]

As I said from the start...Iraq is currently (and has really always been) small potatoes. Yup, Saddam was a bad man...now he's dead, awesome.

Unfortunately there are two much more dangerous men running two much more dangerous countries (Iran and North Korea) which America should have been focusing on all along.

[Focus]

no doubt in my mind we will end up at war with north korea

[Duckinla]

no doubt in my mind we will end up at war with north korea

No, probably Iran but not North Korea. North Korea with Nukes is a problem for China to deal with. Why? Because it's a reason for our allies South Korea and Japan to have Nukes as well. And China doesn't want that at all.
That's why we resist 1 on 1 talks. We don't want to make it our problem alone.

[BILLBO]

Back in the 1960's and very early 1970's the news would be that so many US troops died in Vietnam on this or that date. Up until then war was sanitised for the general public, even as late as the Korean war reporters were restricted and broadcast organisations themselves restricted what could be said and shown on television and radio. And here I am not just talking about the US but the western societies as a whole.

Vietnam was the turning point, suddenly daily pictures of gun battles and US casualties were on air nearly every day. (I should point out here I am making only a statement on publicity of a war, I am not saying the wars in Korea, Vietnam, and now Iraq are at all the same kind of wars, they most definately are not.)

The problem facing any democracy is that they apply 'rules' by which a war should be fought, non-democracies and terrorists do not - unless they apply such rules so as not to bring upon themselves a total cataclismic response (such would be nuclear/biological/chemical attack). This happened on 9/11. All 'rules' imposed by the American society were shelved, rightly or wrongly, the 9/11 attack was seen as an unprovoked attack on US citizens en masse on US territory. This led to the identification of friends and allies by many governments around the world. Afghanistan and Iraq were seen as supporters, sheilders, and armourers of the fundamentalist Islamic terrorists, as were Syria and Iran. The difference with Iraq was Saddam Hussein, he had already shown his disreguard for human life and international law by using chemical weapons in the Iran-Iraq war and also gasing his own civilians.

Now a few short years after 9/11, the Spanish train bombings, the London underground and bus bombings, the nightclub bombings in Pacific islands, the terrorists are playing the 'publicity' game, and democracies cannot win such a game because they apply rules to themselves that are not applied by the terrorists. But this is still a war, and an on going war. You need only read some of the comments by other people on this and other threads to realise that 'logic', 'reasoning', and 'humanitarian considerations' have no power of influence on the supporters of terrorism.

This war needs to be fought now, if we put off until tomorrow the problems will only be worse, however, as in all wars innocents will suffer, what we as democracies must do is try to minimise the innocent casualties that we inflict, this is contrary to the philosophy of terrorists in general, for the aim of terrorists is to terrorise, by inflicting mass death and injury and utilizing these as their hallmarks.

There is a saying that is so true I feel it should be on every election voters slip:

'For evil to succeed all that is required is for good men to do nothing!'

Well now is the time for all good men and women to say that we shall stand and fight against those who aim to terrorise others, and the resources we use will be unlimited and our retribution will be hard and direct, with all who side with you being classed with you. You are either for freedom of all or against freedom of all, no inbetweens.

[BILLBO]

Sorry, double post.

[DNA]

Man, this discussion went from north pole to *** hole.

U.S air strike in somalia to wipe out terrorists!!!!!!!!!!
When bombs exploded in UK buses, pakistani cities, indian cities, spanish railways; 911; and people here believe that terrorists are hiding in somalia where there is no food to eat and no pure water to drink. That country is already a devasted place. My morality says even if u notice one terrorist walking in between a bunch of people as seen from air; u should not strike a bomb to kill him.
"To kill him(the terrorist), we dropped a small bomb from our fighter plane but sadly it finished off the whole somalian mob"- this is US view and tactics. I don't like it, i hate it.

[NavySeals91]

Originally Posted by GT Web

As I said from the start...Iraq is currently (and has really always been) small potatoes. Yup, Saddam was a bad man...now he's dead, awesome.

Unfortunately there are two much more dangerous men running two much more dangerous countries (Iran and North Korea) which America should have been focusing on all along.

I Concur...

[yoyosean]

So GT are you saying that if we invaded North Korea and Iran that the anti war liberals who are now saying we should have done that wouldnt have been saying the exact same thing right now that war is horrible and things are going bad we need to run and get out.

Are you advocating launching a pre-emptive strike against Iran and N. Korea because if so I agree and think we should just want to know where you stand.

ahhh, got to love the germans preaching to people about morality : )

You do remember attempting to wipe out an entire race of people not too long ago dont you?

[Darren06]

A war with North Korea would be fast but let me tell you this, there would no longer be anything left in Korea.

[NameGuy]

Originally Posted by yoyosean

ahhh, got to love the germans preaching to people about morality : )

You do remember attempting to wipe out an entire race of people not too long ago dont you?

Seriously. And now Iran wants to wipe out the rest.

[DNP]

what is going on in Somalia this days?