WE ARE THE NEW GENERATION - Time for REAL change

[Andrew Shaw]

As I have many close friends, and family members in Afghanistan, including my uncle who is 42 and was sadly deployed to Afghanistan 3 days ago, risking their lives daily. God bless our troops, and I wish every single one of them a safe ride home soon.

War goes back thousands of years. One group against another, in the same fashion with the same eagerness to win. With all efforts involved in planned attacks, and ambush , and so many lives ended, not one civilization has surpass the most powerful Force of all, time. America is involved in 2 wars now. We invaded a cou...ntry that sits on oceans of oil, and our oil prices have increased over 100%.

We have been in Iraq since 2001. Our first mission was to secure the thousands of WMD that were never found, and capture Saddam. Both in essence were accomplished. This process has taken 9 years. Within the first 3 years, WMD were secured and Saddam was captured. Yet we continued to stay for another 6 years, and counting.

We are attempting to rebuild Iraq in a way we feel it should be, yet our country has not been in such a bad position since the great depression. If America was a corporation, and was part of the world stock exchange, our stocks would cost $0 per share and we would be bankrupt.

I am not a skeptical person, I'm just a realist, and I'm tired of decisions being made that affect every American, that are not of the best intentions of the American people in general. In the past 2 years, the United States of America has committed more war crimes then we can one could not even comprehend.

We are guilty of torture; including one of the worst forms of torture which is water boarding, and hundreds of other illegal techniques in attempts to gain information for those captured. All this goes against everything America stands for. There is so much information held by the government in which they have no plans on revealing to us.

The way I see it... If we were able to send a rocket to a moon with a computer with less then 500 MB, (1000 MB make up 1 Gigabyte) and considering something as simple as an iphone has 16 gigabytes, which is nearly 32 times more memory then the Apollo space craft had. It gives me a feeling that what humans are capable of, far exceeds what we are led to believe.
Sadly, only for reasons being that our government hides much of what they know; we have cures for cancer, aids, and any other damn illness that the government uses as a population control tactic. I believe in America, but at this time I will not be wearing red white and blue. There has got to be some serious changes in respect to America's name, and in respect to the rest of the world.

our generation needs to do to insure we are able to have children of our own, and bring them into a world worthy of living in.

[Seraphim]

For starters, we need more political parties. For those to be viable however, the established media will have to be dealt with in one fashion or another. Without anyone to represent the common American, our country is going to continue to decline. Wars, corruption, it all seems to be snowballing.

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[HasRob]

America will leave iraq when the oil dries up. Thats the only reason we are there and if you believe otherwise your only kidding yourself. Thats why in other countries we went into that had no oil we quickly resolved whatever problems and high tailed it out of there instead of occupying.

After doing some research I'm pretty much convinced america itself is behind the whole 9-11 attacks under a false flag that Bush ok'd. Theres overwhelming evidence that no plane crashed at the flight 93 area and in fact a bomb was dropped there hence the big hole in the ground. No plane parts, no luggage, no bodies. You figure it out. Same at the pentagon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-IyB24UPss

[stock_post]

America will leave iraq when the oil dries up. Thats the only reason we are there and if you believe otherwise your only kidding yourself. Thats why in other countries we went into that had no oil we quickly resolved whatever problems and high tailed it out of there instead of occupying.

After doing some research I'm pretty much convinced america itself is behind the whole 9-11 attacks under a false flag that Bush ok'd. Theres overwhelming evidence that no plane crashed at the flight 93 area and in fact a bomb was dropped there hence the big hole in the ground. No plane parts, no luggage, no bodies. You figure it out. Same at the pentagon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-IyB24UPss

May I suppose you have an engineering Degree or good understanding of metals?

[tres]

We have been in Iraq since 2001. Our first mission was to secure the thousands of WMD that were never found, and capture Saddam. Both in essence were accomplished. This process has taken 9 years. Within the first 3 years, WMD were secured and Saddam was captured. Yet we continued to stay for another 6 years, and counting.

Yep.. 43 screwed the pooch ( and US ). Greenspan kept the interest rates below market to keep the economy from crashing and congress went along with the whole mess encouraging people to purchase homes they couldn't afford. Big bubble..

We are guilty of torture; including one of the worst forms of torture which is water boarding

Lots of thing worse then water-boarding, just ask anyone in pre-Bush Iraq.

Sadly, only for reasons being that our government hides much of what they know; we have cures for cancer, aids, and any other damn illness that the government uses as a population control tactic. I believe in America, but at this time I will not be wearing red white and blue. There has got to be some serious changes in respect to America's name, and in respect to the rest of the world.

Your crazy ...

[HasRob]

May I suppose you have an engineering Degree or good understanding of metals?

Your kidding right? It's pretty obvious to me. No plane wreckage, no luggage, no bodies, bomb crater, multiple eye witnesses at flight 93 confirming these facts, multiple reporters confirming these facts at the pentagon, one claiming he seen a missle hit it, Rumsfeld accidentally admitting flight 93 was "shot down" even more witnesses saying the planes that hit the WTC were in fact gray military planes with no windows on them etc. Just look at the different videos shot of it all on youtube and you tell me your convinced it wasnt an "inside job" done by the "government within the government" under a false flag. Why would the fbi take all the videos from all the hotels, street cams, atm machines etc from around the pentagon never to be seen again? I dont know man, the more I look into it all the more I just dont know what to think.

[tres]

And CNN, FOX, MSNBC, Pres. Obama, Harry and Nancy all know about this but aren't talking?

Don't you think if any of this were true Bush's enemies ( besides nut jobs like Air America ) would have used them to impeach him?

[draggar]

our generation needs to do to insure we are able to have children of our own, and bring them into a world worthy of living in.

I've been saying this for years.

For starters, we need more political parties. For those to be viable however, the established media will have to be dealt with in one fashion or another. Without anyone to represent the common American, our country is going to continue to decline. Wars, corruption, it all seems to be snowballing.

I've also been saying this for years - people need to look at the other candidates on the ballot and not just the big two. NO, IT IS NOT THROWING OUT YOUR BALLOT. I've done so the past few elections to send a message but sadly you NEVER see how many votes they got in the election - they only show the stats for the big two.

We had 13 candidates on our ballot yet NOT ONE person who came to my to try to get my vote actually new the answer to that question - most only said two and the rest said between 3 and 5. How can you honestly promote one candidate when you don't even know about half of them?

Yep.. 43 screwed the pooch ( and US ). Greenspan kept the interest rates below market to keep the economy from crashing and congress went along with the whole mess encouraging people to purchase homes they couldn't afford. Big bubble..

I don't think so. 43 was just trying to resolve issues created by past administrations, just like what Obama is doing. Sadly, by trying to resolve one issue you create a few others and then the next person needs to figure out what problems need to be solved. It's a vicious cycle and no one will win - even the person elected president.



^^ This flag flies at my home. ^^

When I get a real home (not a condo) I will have a flag pole and have a full sized version of this flying.

[HasRob]

And CNN, FOX, MSNBC, Pres. Obama, Harry and Nancy all know about this but aren't talking?

Don't you think if any of this were true Bush's enemies ( besides nut jobs like Air America ) would have used them to impeach him?

No, this is above Bush and the CIA most likely. NWO stuff. So why would CNN know about it lol? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFz7gLz7CVk

[Gerry]

As I have many close friends, and family members in Afghanistan, including my uncle who is 42 and was sadly deployed to Afghanistan 3 days ago, risking their lives daily. God bless our troops, and I wish every single one of them a safe ride home soon.

I am in my 50's.

What you mentioned in your post has been echoed nearly every decade in my life.

It is every generations' responsibility and it is every generations' failure to uphold their own cry of change.

[tres]

I've been saying this for years.
I don't think so. 43 was just trying to resolve issues created by past administrations, just like what Obama is doing. Sadly, by trying to resolve one issue you create a few others and then the next person needs to figure out what problems need to be solved. It's a vicious cycle and no one will win - even the person elected president.

Bush lowered taxes while increasing spending.. on WAR. Greenspan kept the interest rates so low that
anyone could apply and get a APR loan while Congress funnelled money to Fannie and Freddie. The housing market drove the economy and the citizens lulled to sleep let the war continue throughout the Bush admin.. right up until it crashed.

[tres]

If I got a chance to shake hands with 43 I'd shove a tea bag right down his throat.

[HasRob]

Bush lowered taxes while increasing spending.. on WAR. Greenspan kept the interest rates so low that
anyone could apply and get a APR loan while Congress funnelled money to Fannie and Freddie. The housing market drove the economy and the citizens lulled to sleep let the war continue throughout the Bush admin.. right up until it crashed.

My buddy makes about $100,000 a year on a good year and got a mortgage for $1,000,000 Somehow he is still paying it today.

[tres]

Yea, I was watching MSNBC this morning and Brokaw was showing a interview to promote his book.. The nice lady blamed corprate American for letting them buy a house for 170K ( aprox. ) with nothing down with a take home income of about 2.8k. Payments were 1.4k /month. then they went out and bought some appliances, furniture and a second car ( which the wife admitted they didn't need ).

That story is a lot more common. At least according to the bankruptcy / foreclosure rates.

[Raider]

Your kidding right? It's pretty obvious to me. No plane wreckage, no luggage, no bodies, bomb crater, multiple eye witnesses at flight 93 confirming these facts, multiple reporters confirming these facts at the pentagon, one claiming he seen a missle hit it, Rumsfeld accidentally admitting flight 93 was "shot down" even more witnesses saying the planes that hit the WTC were in fact gray military planes with no windows on them etc. Just look at the different videos shot of it all on youtube and you tell me your convinced it wasnt an "inside job" done by the "government within the government" under a false flag. Why would the fbi take all the videos from all the hotels, street cams, atm machines etc from around the pentagon never to be seen again? I dont know man, the more I look into it all the more I just dont know what to think.

Priceless

[draggar]

Bush lowered taxes while increasing spending.. on WAR. Greenspan kept the interest rates so low that
anyone could apply and get a APR loan while Congress funnelled money to Fannie and Freddie. The housing market drove the economy and the citizens lulled to sleep let the war continue throughout the Bush admin.. right up until it crashed.

And a lot of them got sub-prime loans which was allowed (well, more like restirctions were loosened) from the Clinton administration.

People need to realize that you cannot blame everything on one political party but for most of the issues we've faced over the past few years was caused by both.

Priceless

Yep. A jet hitting the ground at full speed will leave very little wreckage and a crater. We can't compare it to most plane crashes because the pilots in accidents try to minimize the damage - lower the descent angle, slow down the plan, hit the ground at an angle, so there will be wreckage. Flight 93 was deliberately crashed into the ground and at a very high angle and rate of speed.

Yea, I was watching MSNBC this morning and Brokaw was showing a interview to promote his book.. The nice lady blamed corprate American for letting them buy a house for 170K ( aprox. ) with nothing down with a take home income of about 2.8k. Payments were 1.4k /month. then they went out and bought some appliances, furniture and a second car ( which the wife admitted they didn't need ).

That story is a lot more common. At least according to the bankruptcy / foreclosure rates.

And crap like this really pisses me off. People like that go out and waste money like that and probabaly have everyone bend over backwards to help them out because they're later on their payments etc..

Yet my mortgage company (who did get a bailout) refuses to work with me in lowering my mortgage because I'm current despite the fact that my wife hasn't been able to get a job in over 18 months now. Maybe I should start to be irresponsible so they'll work with me?

[tres]

And a lot of them got sub-prime loans which was allowed (well, more like restirctions were loosened) from the Clinton administration.

People need to realize that you cannot blame everything on one political party but for most of the issues we've faced over the past few years was caused by both.

Agreed... plenty of blame to go around. Clinton left office with a surplus.. 43 spent over a trillion $$ in Iraq.

[HasRob]

You guys laugh, atleast I didnt say I believe in the "no plane theory" LOL

[Andrew Shaw]

This is an entire issue that needs addressing. There is no joking about any of this. What divides America are the two red and blue parties. No one is absolutely right in what they present before everyone. I hate our political system. It's a system that has been around for hundreds of years. The logic of it makes sense, but the level people take it to it becomes pointless. 225 years ago our forefathers came together to form a constitutional congress to create a government of the People. The original Constitution was the worlds real first attempt to create a government who serves the people rather than rules the people.

Where is America heading. There have been many changes recently, and there are continuing to be changes that affect every American. Our government is no longer for, nor by the people. classified information is necessary, but where is the line drawn? Why is it that things that are not a threat to our national security classified. I don't wish for anarchy. But I strongly believe that our government is crooked, and becoming more shady by the day. why is no one stepping up? Do people not care our brothers and uncles are being sent to countries for the purpose of a seemingly endless war?

The constitution is only an idea. It's great to think that we possess those rights. An idea or agreement or declaration (being our rights) is only as strong as those in charge allow it to be.

It's really bothersome to me that there arent more audits on the government, the money printed, the collection of tax payers money and where it goes.

Federal judges, being immune to law, and the authority of over ruling parts of the constitution.

We hear stories of brave men in war who fought and dies for our freedom. They died to preserve Democracy, Liberty, and the American way of life. We talk about that as if we all know what that means, but most of us are clueless as we sit by and let the government slowly take our freedoms away in the name of crime and law enforcement. Not to say that law enforcement doesn't have it's place. We appreciate the job that law enforcement does, putting yourselves in harms way to protect us from the bad guys. But there are times when the effectiveness of law enforcement is in direct conflict with our liberties and freedoms and that we as a society are going to have to accept that we are going to have to accept some crime in order to be free.

Crimes against Democracy include:

• Civil Forfeiture Laws
• Self Regulating Judiciary
• Mandatory Sentencing
• Limits on Free Speech
• Government Control of the Internet
• Warrantless Arrests and Vehicle Searches
• Allowing Crooked Lawyers to Practice Law
• Allowing Crooked Judges to Remain on the Bench
• Government Spying on the People
• Infringement on Privacy Rights
• Infringement on the Right for the People to use Strong Data Encryption
• Infringement on the Right to have the Government Leave you Alone.
• Infringement on the Right to Protest

all over the place, I know.... but I don't even know what aspects to cover. Really, anyone given too much power will use it in a bad way... and I really think we need to get more informed, and stand up. No one owns you.

The supremacy of the People is preserved throughout all the documents and papers used in the formation of the Government by the People. The preamble to the United States Constitution states, "We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America." Clearly the Constitution was created to form a government who's sole purpose was to serve the People and for no other purpose. The founding fathers went to great pains to ensure, through the separation of powers and the balance of power that no branch of government would ever become dominate and become a force that rules the People rather than serves the People.

America was originally a colony of England, which was a monarchy controlled by the King. Although England is still a monarchy technically, the Queen is little more than a tourist attraction and serves merely to feed the tabloid press industry. But 250 years ago the King was very powerful and America was settled by people who were trying to put distance between themselves and the King and his Church of England. America was settled by people who were seeking Liberty and Freedom. We became a People and we resented being subservient to the Government and the King and we dreamed of an America where the People were the King.
On July 4th 1776 the Second Continental Congress, representing the 13 states unanimously issued the Declaration of Independence. This document was the official notice given to the King of England that the 13 states were separating themselves from the Crown in order to form a government of the People. The Declaration of Independence is an important document and in many ways is as important as the Constitution. The Constitution is the document that establishes a government of the People by the People, and for the People. The Declaration of Independence is the document that establishes the supremacy of the People over the Government and establishes the Right and the Duty of the People "to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future Security."

[Gerry]

If I got a chance to shake hands with 43 I'd shove a tea bag right down his throat.

he he he - "teabagging" dubya.

mumph, mumph, mumph, slirp.

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My buddy makes about $100,000 a year on a good year and got a mortgage for $1,000,000 Somehow he is still paying it today.

I bought our house in 1996. I paid 140K for an all brick (even interior walls are brick) circa 1840-1850 house with 6.5 acres. It was about 2500 square feet, overall in excellent condition, but the later 1920's addition was falling in. I have since torn down and rebuilt this, added 1300 sq ft, now at about 3700-3800 sq ft, and built a detached all masonry 24x30 garage with complete kitchen and bath, upstairs loft.

I just had the house re-appraised for insurances purposes and it came in at $695K, just for the house. The entire property would fetch close to 1mm.

The good thing is, if I decided to sell, I do not need to ask 1mm for it. I have about $250K total into it after 14 years of living here. Sweat equity and doing much of it myself.

Someday I'll have a good payday.

Sure, some names regged in 1996 would now fetch 1mm plus. Virtual real estate or tangible real estate - two good areas to be in.