While Bush plays in Iraq, our neihbor Mexico descends into turmoil

[JuniperPark]

The situation in Mexico is absolutely grim.

Organized crime is out of control. Kidnappings, killings, and beheadings common. The country is very wealthy, but there is no middle class, so 1% live in luxury and 99% live in poverty and filth. The Catholic religion is multiplying the misery, as it does everywhere, by refusing to promote contraception, so people living in filth have an average of FIVE children. Illegal immigration to Mexico is a felony with a life sentence. The Mexican goverment openly encourages people to illegally enter the USA, published brochures on how to do it safely and without detection, assists in printing fake documents, and instructs them on how to commit identity theft and fraud to obtain free services in the US. Those Mexican citizens who commit a major crime in the US (such and murder) are allowed to re-enter Mexico where they will NEVER be extradicted. Parts of Southern Mexico is now barricated after major gun battles between local police and federal militia.

In Tijuana, a major city of 2 million just 25 miles from me, several police have been beheaded in the past few months, and several newpaper reporters killed in the streets in broad daylight.

That's the background --- now the latest. Tijuana police had all their guns taken away Jan 2, and now are to patrol this major, corrupt, violent city with... SLINGSHOTS! But the cops have to buy their own marbles.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/m...1m23sling.html


What the #)#($ are we doing blowing a Trillion dollars to 'help the people of Iraq' for when this is going on in our own neighborhood???

We've got to stop saying Bush is the "worst president ever"; he has proven to be "The Worst President POSSIBLE".

[fatter]

From what I saw on the news the new president is sending in the military to combat drug dealers and corrupt policeman I hope they get the crime under control so people can live peacably

[seanboy]

Bush may be a crap president, but he is far from tbeing the "Worst President Ever." I wonder if people who say that really know about the history of our presidents. Go back to the 1800's, and you'll find a handful of presidents that make Bush look like Christ. Andrew Johnson anyone?

[JuniperPark]

Originally Posted by seanboy

Bush may be a crap president, but he is far from tbeing the "Worst President Ever." I wonder if people who say that really know about the history of our presidents. Go back to the 1800's, and you'll find a handful of presidents that make Bush look like Christ. Andrew Johnson anyone?

I can't say I know a lot about Johnson, but let's review the Bush performance:

Lied to enter a war: CHECK
Plunged US into deepest debt ever: CHECK
refused to stop illegal immigration: CHECK
biggest standard of living drop for middle class: CHECK
ignores constition, monitors US citizens: CHECK
fires attorney generals who prosecute bribery: CHECK
ignores will of people, acts as dictator: CHECK
awards "no bid" contracts and makes friends rich: CHECK
based on lies, gets 3,000+ soldiers killed, 50,000 injured: CHECK
ignores all advice, sends 21,000 more soldiers into another country's civil war: CHECK
Failed at every single business he wass involved with: CHECK
Unable to pronounce 3rd grade level words, such as "nuclear": CHECK
caught lying about not being alerted to 9/11 attack in advance: CHECK
sat in classroom doing nothing for 7 minutes after notification that America was under attack: CHECK
Ignores neighboring Mexico as it descents into anarchy: CHECK


I can go on... that's just the starting report card...

[Duckinla]

So what are you calling for specifically?

[yoyosean]

Ahhhh, the liberals dont ever stop now do they.


Lied to enter a war: CHECK In order to say that Bush lied remember you have to say that - John Kerry lied, Bill Clinton lied, Tony Blair lied, Hillary Clinton lied, John Edwards lied, Jacques Chirac lied, the entire English speaking world lied, this is a ridiculous statement.

Plunged US into deepest debt ever: Plunged, hmmmmmm if you are talking about in terms of dollar amount yes, in relation to GDP, No, BIG BIG DIFFERENCE.

refused to stop illegal immigration: What is your suggestion? They passed legislation which he signed to build a wall, now the lefties dont want to fund it, what is the answer?

biggest standard of living drop for middle class: Are you kidding me, please prove this with facts not talking points.

ignores constition, monitors US citizens: Monitors US Citizens. Have you been monitored? If your neighbor who was middle eastern was having phone conversations with Hezlbollah would you want his conversations monitored if you say no you are a moron or a liar, there is no way around that.

fires attorney generals who prosecute bribery: Fires? She was asked to step down big deal, people are asked to step down all the time.

ignores will of people, acts as dictator: No acts as a leader, leaders do not follow opinion polls, they are elected to lead, if the CEO of a company followed the whims of his employees you better believe that company would probably fail.

awards "no bid" contracts and makes friends rich: The "friends" were already rich if you are talking about Halliburton, there are only two companies in the world that do what Halliburton does, one is Halliburton and the other is a French company entitled Schlumberger, the French are weasels and should not benefit from the blood of our nation.

based on lies, gets 3,000+ soldiers killed, 50,000 injured: See response to number 1

ignores all advice, sends 21,000 more soldiers into another country's civil war: All advice, you mean to say that everybody including generals the new sec. of defense, and all other military experts have said not to send in more troops or is it the oppositions voice who is being heard right now?

Failed at every single business he wass involved with: Please read the biography of Abraham Lincoln, failed at every business, does this make him a bad leader, it shows me perserverance.

Unable to pronounce 3rd grade level words, such as "nuclear": Didnt realize you were so elite, perhaps people from different parts of the world have different dialects, if you said the same thing about an african american would that be considered a bad thing?

caught lying about not being alerted to 9/11 attack in advance: Good Lord!

sat in classroom doing nothing for 7 minutes after notification that America was under attack: So in front of a bunch of third graders he should have jumped up panicked and ran out of the room screaming we are under attack run for your lives?

Ignores neighboring Mexico as it descents into anarchy: So seeing as we shouldnt invade other countries regardless of the situation you are saying we should invade mexico? One minute you say we are not the worlds policemen and the next minute we are. I am confused.

Please dont make emotional liberal responses back you responses up with facts please.

I cant believe you are from San Diego you should move to LA

[JuniperPark]

Wow... I could go through the last post line by line and prove his every point false, but since it's obvous he hasn't read a newspaper in the last 7 years, I guess there's no point.

Some were funny though -- so Bill Clinton and John Kerry told the country we had to go to war immediately to stop Saddam's nuclear program and Weapons of Mass Destruction??? HAHAHAHHAA! Seems I missed that speech, and so did everyone else.

And you think a CEO only has a successful company by ignoring the advice of every stockholder and advisor in the company? Wow, that's ignorant... a CEO serves at the pleasure of the Board of Directors, which would fire him immediately.

And you think the Commander and Chief of a country under attack should just sit there and do nothing, instead of learn what's going on? That's a just plain stupid comment.

Let's see... Bill Clinton killed 3,000 Americans too? WHEN? WHERE??

OH, BTW, I'm not a liberal. Looks like you've scored a zero across the board.

[Duckinla]

I hate being in the position of defending any politician, but the attacks on Bush are so meanspirited.

Having reports that Bin Laden planned to attack inside the US is not the same as knowing about the attacks before hand. Everyone knew Bin Laden planned to attack inside the US.

Because he remained in place for 7 minutes after learning of the attacks does not mean his team was not working. Of course they were working and they were sending him information from the back of the room. It said Hold tight until we know more.

Making a decision to act on a belief that was widely held by intellegence agencies around the world does not make him a liar.

Using debt is not in itself a bad thing. Any CEO knows that. Particularly when interest rates are at historical lows.

If Bush would have been fired as CEO, so too would Franklin Roosevelt during WWII. His party got beat badly in mid-term elections. Clinton's party got beat badly in mid-term elections.

But if you want to take over Mexico, I'm with you.

[BELLC1]

So if Bill Richardson is elected President, will NAFTA be predominantly set in New Mexico?

[yoyosean]

just as i expected no facts behind your rhetoric just rhetroic, please poke holes WITH FACTS in my replies

[JMJ]

THE MIDDLE-CLASS SQUEEZE

[yoyosean]

isnt it more expensive for everybody not just the middle class? isnt it more expensive for the lower class and the upper class?

Everybody in this country has the ability to make it big and make millions of dollars and go from lower to upper class, should they take the chance and choose to take the risks and the tenacity it takes to become wealthy.

It is not the goverments responsibility to put more money it the pockets of its citizens except to keep taxes low and not spend their money like morons.

It is the individual citizens responsibility to put more money in their own pocket. Am I wrong?

[Duckinla]

WTF is this middle class I keep hearing about? Is that a race of people? Locked into their position in life from birth. If they are disappearing, where are they going? Are they getting wealthier? Who is driving up home prices in every city? Who is filling up the restuarants? Who is buying all the cars? If less and less people have money, none of this should be happening.

[yoyosean]

couldnt agree with you more. The middle class in San Diego have become upper middle class with the Real Estate boom IMHO.

[Focus]

We are in the last days my friends..enjoy them while you can, I hate to be the bible quoter but this was all quoted in Revelations and all the signs are there and they have been here for awhile now. We live in war, hell, we can't even get along online these days, let alone with other countries..and greed, money, & religion is behind it all. We are all slaves to the almighty $ whether we like it or not, it's forced upon us.

Those greedy fingers are closer to those big red nuke buttons everyday.

It's a shame we don't all wake up and make peace in this crazy world...it just may be too late.


Chris

[yoyosean]

what does that mean, whose greedy fingers are you referring too?

[JMJ]

Not everyone in this world is the entrepreneurial type. So yes they get a job and eagerly wait for their boss to give them their raise. I know alot of restaurant and bar owners. In fact the majority of my friends are. They don't seem to see this great economy that you are refering to and I live in a city with pretty good growth. Most of them are struggling to keep the doors open. Finding themselves taking on jobs within their business rather than providing them.

[Focus]

What do you think the WARS overseas in the middle east really have to do with? It's not just attacks on us my friend, there are ALOT of alterior motives and anyone that does'nt realize this must have their head in a box. Skull & Bones anyone?

[Irish31]

I think its been proven factually that the middle class in America is slow dissapering.

Ok so lets do away with that statement as some people don't like it, or it's not totally obvious. What the numbers are saying is the the gap between wealthy and poor is spreading, and fast.

So people are still buying cars, still going out to eat. All this means is people need to be more conservative about their money. I don't think its a good thing having such desparity between the high income people and the low, but until that is fixed, do yourself a favor and learn to budget if you are one of those 9-5'ers that pull in 40k yr.

I think that the guy above was showing with the numbers is that inflation and cost of living // salary is not keeping up. The people in the higher end jobs keep getting the increases to offset inflation, and the lower end people either see their jobs dissapear, or their salary not move up and adjust for this.

I'm sure there are tons and tons of exceptions, but even the rich people are affeced by higher tuitions, energy costs, gas, etc. The real kicker would be that they are always going to be in a better position to deal with this. But thats always been true, and always will.

Alot of people I know around here that are middle class, are either finding themselves jumping into the class of "wealthy" or slowly drifting into the lower class. I can't speak for anywhere else, and this is really a very slow transition, nothing to lose sleep over, but the middle class around here is evaporating fast.

Very few high paying jobs now, and many low level jobs, not enough in the middle of the pack. I'm lucky and work for a company that produces quite a few rich people, so I guess I should stay put till something better comes along.