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Sorry I didn't quote my sources as I have started threads here pertaining to these groups. Please feel free to refute these sources since you claim I am making things up. But hey, I use to believe that many of these groups were legitimate so I understand your anger if this is all news to you.
Here are your "grassroots groups" supporting the ANTI health care demonstrations:
1.The Lewin Group.
The Lewin Group is a subsidiary of United Health. United Health is one of the largest insurance companies in America. Two entries from Wikipedia show United Health's ties and troubles:
You will find 7 well known republican congressman including Charles Grassley, Newt Gingrich, John Boehner, and 4 more all quoting the Lewin Group as their health care expert in less than one and one half minutes in this short short video:......
Lewin Group
The Lewin Group is a policy research and consulting firm that provides economic analysis of health care and human services issues and policies.[21] The organization has existed for about 40 years and has maintained a nonpartisan reputation through its many ownership changes that have occurred over the years.[22] The Lewin Group was purchased in 2007 by Ingenix, a wholly-owned subsidiary of UnitedHealth Group, but maintains editorial and analytical independence from its parent company.[23] Democratic and Republican politicians have cited Lewin Group studies to argue for and against U.S. healthcare reform.[24] For example, Democratic Senator Ron Wyden uses Lewin Group estimates to cite the feasibility of his Healthy Americans Act.[25] Representative Eric Cantor, the House Republican Whip, has referred to the organization as "the nonpartisan Lewin Group" without disclosing that it is owned by UnitedHealth Group.[26]
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Resignation of McGuire
On October 15, 2006, it was announced that McGuire would step down immediately as chairman and director of UnitedHealth Group, and step down as CEO on December 1, 2006 due to his involvement in the employee stock options scandal. Simultaneously, it was announced that he would be replaced as CEO by Stephen Hemsley, who has served as President and COO and is a member of the board of directors. [12] McGuire's exit compensation from UnitedHealth, expected to be around $1.1 billion, would be the largest golden parachute in the history of corporate America.[13]
McGuire's compensation became controversial again on May 21, 2009, when Elizabeth Edwards, speaking on The Daily Show, used it to support her argument for a public alternative to commercial insurance[14]. Edwards stressed the importance of restoring competition in health insurance markets noting that at one point, "the President of United Health made so much money, that one of every $700 that was spent in this country on health care went to pay him":
Estimates of McGuire's 2005 compensation range from $59,625,444 [15] to $124.8 million[16], and the revenue of United Health Care was then $71 billion. It has therefore been suggested that Mrs Edwards may have meant to say that one of every $700 that was spent on United Health Care premiums went to pay McGuire.
[edit] McGuire's Settlement With SEC
On 6 December 2007, the SEC announced a settlement under which McGuire was to repay $468 million, including a $7 million civil penalty, as a partial settlement of the backdating prosecution. He was also barred from serving as an officer or director of a public company for ten years.[17][18][19] This was the first time in which the little-used "clawback" provision under the Sarbanes-Oxley Act was used against an individual by the SEC. The SEC continued its investigations even after it in 2008 settled legal actions against both United Health Care itself and its former general counsel.[20].
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UnitedHealth_Group
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CbEt...om=PL&index=12
2. Conservatives for Patients Rights
Conservatives For Patients Rights is the product of Rick Scott. Rick Scott, a lawyer and an investor with George W Bush in the Texas Rangers, went on to purchase many hospitals as CEO of Columbia/HCA industries. He was forced to resign and the company was fined the largest amount in US History:
You can check these sources for Rick Scott as well if you think Wikipedia is controlled by the evil liberal media. Hell you can start off with Rick Scott defending himself on Fox News even:Richard Lynn "Rick" Scott (born 1953) is a businessman in the healthcare industry. He is also the founder of Conservatives for Patients' Rights (CPR) which advertises against expanding the U.S. government's role in regulating the healthcare system.
Scott founded the Columbia Hospital Corporation in 1987. With Columbia HCA Chairman Thomas J. Frist, the brother of Senator Bill Frist, the company merged Columbia with Hospital Corporation of America in 1989 to form Columbia/HCA. Ten years later, Scott was ousted by the company's board of directors in the midst of the nation's biggest health care fraud scandal in which the company ultimately plead guilty to the nation's then largest Medicaid and Medicare fraud and paid a record fine of $1.7 billion dollars. [1][2][3] In 2001, Scott co-founded the Solantic Corporation, which operates walk-in medical care centers. He also owns Continental Structural Plastics, North America's largest industrial composites molder.
In 2009 Scott founded CPR, a group opposed to President Barack Obama's health-care policy goals.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_L._Scott
[1]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L2dukgFqhY
Other sources for Rick Scott and his involvement with Columbia / HCA:
http://www.modernhealthcare.com/arti.../SUB/303099993
http://money.cnn.com/2009/04/09/news...tune/index.htm
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/02/us...s/02scott.html
Here is the actual case. Rick Scott is not mentioned by name but it's clear as day the company paid $1.7 billion in fines and penalties:
http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/2003/June/03_civ_386.htm
3. Americans For Prosperity
Americans for Prosperity is back by Koch Industries:
Koch Industries in Source WatchFunding
On its website, Americans For Prosperity states that "AFP gets its support from individuals and corporations which share its vision." However, it does not disclose which corporations fund its operations.[23]
Kevin Grandia, of DeSmogBlog, who has researched funding the AFP states on his blog that:
The AFP is the third largest recipient of funding from the Koch Family Foundations, behind the Cato Institute and the George Mason University Foundation. Before 2003, when the AFP was still named the Citizens for a Sound Economy Foundation, it received $18,460,912 in funding. 84% of that funding came from the Koch Family Foundations ($12,906,712) and the Scaife Family Foundations ($2,510,000). Koch Family Foundations is funded by Koch Industries. According to Forbes, Koch Industries is the second largest privately-held company, and the largest privately owned energy company, in the United States. Koch industries has made its money in the oil business, primarily oil refining. Presently, it holds stakes in pipelines, refineries, fertilizer, forest products, and chemical technology. Americans for Prosperity is also connected to oil giant ExxonMobil. According to ExxonSecrets, between the years 1998-2001, Citizens for A Sound Economy and Citizens for a Sound Economy Foundation received $380,250 from ExxonMobil.[24]
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...for_Prosperity
Koch Industries, (pronounced "coke"), is the largest privately owned company in the United States with 70,000 employees and annual sales of $100 billion in the fiscal year ending December of 2008. [1] (Cargill comes in second for privately owned companies.)
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Pollution
Koch Industries is also a major polluter. During the 1990s, its faulty pipelines were responsible for more than 300 oil spills in five states, prompting a landmark penalty of $35 million from the Environmental Protection Agency. In Minnesota, it was fined an additional $8 million for discharging oil into streams. During the months leading up to the 2000 presidential elections, the company faced even more liability, in the form of a 97-count federal indictment charging it with concealing illegal releases of 91 metric tons of benzene, a known carcinogen, from its refinery in Corpus Christi, Texas.
Republican Ties
If convicted, the company faced fines of up to $352 million, plus possible jail time for company executives. After George W. Bush became president, however, the U.S. Justice Department dropped 88 of the charges. Two days before the trial, John Ashcroft settled for a plea bargain, in which Koch pled guilty to falsifying documents. All major charges were dropped, and Koch and Ashcroft settled the lawsuit for a fraction of that amount.
Koch had contributed $800,000 to the Bush election campaign and other Republican candidates.
Alex Beehler, assistant deputy under secretary of defense for Environment, Safety and Occupational Health, previously served at Koch as director of environmental and regulatory affairs and concurrently served at the Charles G. Koch Foundation as vice president for environmental projects. [2] Beehler was later nominated and re-nominated by the Bush White House, to become the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency's Inspector General. [3]
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Lobbying
The company spent $3,528,750 for lobbying in 2006. $820,000 was to outside lobbying firms with the remainder being spent using in-house lobbyists. [8]
In February 2005, the Hill reported, "Top White House official Matt Schlapp is joining the Washington office of oil-and-gas conglomerate Koch Industries, the latest example of high-level administration and congressional staffers making post-election leaps to the lobbying world." Schlapp had headed the White House’s Office of Political Affairs. At Koch, Schlapp will be the executive director of federal affairs, directing Washington lobbying. [4]
Elizabeth Stolpe, previously in-house lobbyist for Koch Industries, is now Associate Director For Toxics & Environmental Protection at the White House Council on Environmental Quality.
Political Contributions
Koch Industries is the single largest oil company contributor to both Republican and Democratic candidates for Congress. These contributions total $1,065,750 to the 110th US Congress (as of the third quarter), the largest of which has been to Rep. Todd Tiahrt (R-KS) for $42,950. Rep. Tiahrt, for his part, has consistently voted with the oil industry on energy, war and climate bills. [5]
Contributions like this from fossil fuel companies to members of Congress are often seen as a political barrier to pursuing clean energy. More information on oil industry contributions to Congress can be found at FollowtheOilMoney.org, a project created by the nonpartisan, nonprofit organization Oil Change International.
Koch Industries gave $948,000 to federal candidates in the 05/06 election cycle through its political action committee (PAC) - 17% to Democrats, 82% to Republicans. [9]
Koch Industries and Coal
In 2005 Koch Industries acquired the American pulp and paper company Georgia-Pacific, which now operates as a subsisdiary.[10] Georgia-Pacific owns and operates the following mills[11]:
* Naheola mill in Pennington, Alabama, which began operations in 1958. Currently, the principle products from the Naheola mill include both plate stock and cup stock for use in the food service market.
* The Crossett mill, located in Crossett, Arkansas, produces bleached paperboard grades, including folding carton, plate stock, bleached linerboard, and various cup stock grades.
* The recently acquired Brewton mill, located in Brewton, Alabama, produces folding carton, blister packaging, and skin packaging grades.
* Fort James Muskogee Mill Power Plant is a coal-fired power station in Muskogee, Oklahoma that provides power to Georgia-Pacific's Muskogee paper mill.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...stries#_note-0
Need another source? How about AFP themselves?:
David Koch
Chairman
David Koch is the executive vice president and a member of the board of directors for Koch Industries, Inc., based in Wichita, Kansas. He helped found Americans For Prosperity, and also serves on the board of directors for the Reason Foundation and the CATO Institute. David was the Libertarian Party candidate for vice president of the United States in 1980. He received his bachelor's and master's degree in chemical engineering from MIT.
http://afpmo.com/index.php?static=455
4. Freedom Works
Former House Majority Leader Dick Armey has resigned from DLA Piper, saying a firestorm over his ties to a conservative nonprofit opposed to health care reform has hurt the firm.
In an interview, John Merrigan, a DLA Piper partner who chairs the federal affairs practice, said Armey, who had been a senior policy adviser, made the decision to leave. The nonprofit group, FreedomWorks, has been associated with disruptive protests at town hall meetings on health care reform.
Armey's association with FreedomWorks, and his ties to DLA Piper, have been repeatedly raised on liberal blogs and by left-leaning commentators. For instance, ThinkProgress, a blog run by the Center for American Progress Action Fund, reported that "Armey's FreedomWorks is actively organizing against health care reform. Indeed, Armey's lobbying firm represents pharmaceutical companies, such as Bristol-Myers Squibb, that oppose comparative effectiveness research in the health reform plan because such a program may cut into revenue for branded drugs."
http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1202433072520
This isn't the only reason Dick Armey had to leave DLA Piper. Rachel Maddow was the news person to bring to light that Armey used Freedom Works to do the bidding of his clients at DLA Piper. This is the investigative reporting that found Dick Armey crossing the line to abuse his non profit group and forced him to resign. (9 1/2 minutes but if you want to learn what these groups did and do it is well worth it):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JvSS4RY-Xw
There you have the grass roots organizers for the Tea Party Protests. Tadah!
I understand there are others.
Many fans of Ron Paul are involved and they truly represent the grass roots kind of groups involved. I don't agree with Ron Paul on much including health care reform but I respect his honesty and integrity. In some areas like the Iraq war, civil liberties, and auditing the Fed I am in firm agreement with Ron Paul.
The corporations have hijacked this movement through these front groups with it's sole intent is to kill any health care reform. I am sorry your cause has been hijacked.
The Baucus Plan is not liked on either side and is only a testament to his loyalty to the health insurance companies for which he stands:
Wendell Potter: Public Option Essential, Baucus Plan An "Absolute Gift" To Health Insurance Industry (VIDEO)
Speaking before the House Democratic Steering and Policy Committee Tuesday, former health insurance industry executive-turned-whistleblower Wendell Potter warned that if Congress "fails to create a public insurance option to compete with private insurers, the bill it sends to the president might as well be called the Insurance Industry Profit Protection and Enhancement Act."
Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_287733.html
That's part of the game though." We don't really like this plan but it's the only compromise we could come to." Sorry about your luck America. Profit over people.
meanwhile
Supreme Court appears poised to allow corporate contributions
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...,2613959.story
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I thought he said dope and reigns?
Of course, Bill Clinton said grope in range.
I think George Bush said mope and feign?
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heh yea like i said, dont particularly care for most of MSNBC's programming either.. and Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow sort of seem like the other side of extreme... i have noticed their guests on MSNBC tend to agree with them much more... at least on Fox they argue sometimes. but most cable news broadcasts suck ass.. there is the internet now and no need to rely on these traditional media forms really... i just watch them for entertainment/background noise.
i like Shepard Smith's show on fox though.. he is one of the rare few that just reads the news without too much commentary.. and when he does make comments i find them pretty clever...
More genius! Please read the rules of the forum, since you are violating them!Lol, you might as well join the cult and extract your brain from your skull... not like you are using it it anyways...
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He wasn't referring to me.throwing somebody the 'rules of the forum' thing simply because they said you didnt have a brain is weak..
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If you had listened, you would know that he does have a solution.
Your video is liberal propaganda. Probabaly a twenty something trying to get some points for a college video editing course.
I could do the same with a documentary about the top people in the democratic party.
Just pick and choose what footage to use to portray those people in the worst possble light, just as that person in your video did.
On top of that I could probably produce it with very little editing. LOL. No decent person with common sense is going to be fooled by that kind of gimmickry.
Here's Mason Weaver at the 9-12 rally. The thread was about him. right. I think he makes alot of sense.Look out Obama. Where has this guy been hiding? And a sense of humor.
Mason Weaver at San Diego Tea Party.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Be-xl6ehrA4
But since somebody turned it into a 9-12 rally thread (or was that a Beck thread), here goes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9plu...eature=related
Last edited by Area52; 09-17-2009 at 11:57 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
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