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| Telling it like it is | Re: Americans stealing .EUropean virtual properties? Quote:
They certainly have not been granted any of these applications for sure (nobody has yet) as far as I understand it, but they have been granted "valid acceptance" (by Eurid) with many of their applications and are well on the way to actually get many of them in less than two months time. Of course, the moment they get all these names in reality is the moment they will transfer the ownership to another one of their bogus European-based shell subsidiaries and with that will cover their tracks for good. The time is running out for these "loophole exploiters" to be stopped. http://img460.imageshack.us/img460/7797/hotels9wj.jpg http://img478.imageshack.us/img478/...urniture3kv.jpg http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/8433/ask0jr.jpg http://img472.imageshack.us/img472/7317/diets3vh.jpg ... Of course they aren't the only one, there are plenty of other U.S. based entities using European-based proxies to get some of these .EU names. The world''s favorite domain speculator's registrar based in Pacific Northwest is also using German bases company called "MINERVA Gmbh Consulting" (serach for this name here http://register.bmb-bbm.org/bmbonlin...d/applicant.do which has 249 "Benelux" TM applications, many of them pointing at their U.S. based partners. For example they applied for "Hotels.eu" (as well as many others) on behalf on someone based in Washington state using: trademarks@name-services.com as a contact email, but then again that's not too surprising since Minerva's official website is http://www.enom.de/start_uk.htm
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| Philadelphia Lawyer | Re: Americans stealing .EUropean virtual properties? Quote:
Personally, I believe there is a lot wrong with the way the rules were set up, because these exercises in trying to make sunrise periods "fair" are doomed to fail in any event. Idiotic systems like this simply invite exploitation, and I do not understand the shock at the rules having been exploited. That's what rules are for. I believe it is absolutely wonderful that people have lined up to make a mockery of the .eu sunrise rules, thus demonstrating again the stupidity of having such rules in the first place.
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| Telling it like it is | Re: Americans stealing .EUropean virtual properties? Quote:
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| Philadelphia Lawyer | Re: Americans stealing .EUropean virtual properties? Quote:
And if you bother to look, not a single one of the parties you mentioned has the slightest interest in .eu names. You are suffering from the delusion that affected a lot of people during the ICANN WG-B discussions several years ago, and during the entirely pointless WLS debate - i.e. there is some definition of "fair" which confers a greater likelihood that I will get what I want, while preventing "bad" people from getting what they want. The point of the sunrise period was to keep nasty evil cybersquatters from getting names to which TM owners believe they are entitled. The thing is that not all of the TM owners had everything that some of the TM owners were pushing as a requirement to qualify for a domain name. So the requirements were relaxed and the Benelux TM office intentionally kicked into high gear for the sole purpose of accomodating people who wanted to follow the rules. The rules were not "circumvented", dude, the rules were followed. Setting up a legal entity in Europe is not some "technicality". Something like 75% of NYSE-listed corporations are chartered in Delaware, which aside from being my place of residence, is a place where a $100 bill makes you every bit as much a legal corporation as Exxon. Any system of rules - any system - defines a course of conduct for obtaining a desired result. Rules promulgated by nitwits even more so.
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Country: | Re: Americans stealing .EUropean virtual properties? God bless the speculators who took interest in the .eu extension. There should be no "TM holders grant" though, there should be first round auction - who pays most gets it. And possible TM complaints should be done after that in i.e. WIPO-panel style. But what else to expect from the EU bureaucrats... |
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Country: | Re: Americans stealing .EUropean virtual properties? "Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive"
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Can I apply and be granted quick rights to 100s of simultaneous bogus trademarks in Delaware? Do tell? Quote:
So I guess while you are interpreting that yahoos "followed those rules" by applying for all those trademarks first, I am interpreting that by doing so they "exploited the system". Paradoxically the system can very well be exploited by following the rules (especially "unwritten" ones) and that makes this whole issue pointless indeed. I admit that much.
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ii) mole has 0% ownership of .COM names Quote:
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Country: | Re: Americans stealing .EUropean virtual properties? Quote:
Like to add that it's always refreshing and entertaining to have John post some clarifications for us, and some of his wit to boot. ![]()
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| Bloody lovely Last Online: Yesterday 11:19 PM iTrader: (393) Join Date: Feb 2004
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Country: | Re: Americans stealing .EUropean virtual properties? I live in the US and I'm also a EU citizen. Try stopping me. PS. That was said to make a point, that a legal entity in the EU - even if it's made of partners from non-EU countries has equal rights to .eu domains.
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DNF$: 6,573 Location: Washington,DC | Re: Americans stealing .EUropean virtual properties? Quote:
In the U.S., one state respects the other U.S. states testing procedures for driver licenses. If your driver license was issued by Calif, does that give you a higher degree of driving ability than someone who received their license from Delaware? I'm not happy about the abuse of the .EU rules. And, apparently, no one learned anything from the .info landrush. | |
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| Philadelphia Lawyer | Re: Americans stealing .EUropean virtual properties? Quote:
I had plenty of people call me up and ask about the .eu launch months in advance and my advice, free for the asking, was "It looks as if you set up a corporation in the EU and file Benelux TM applications, then you'd have a shot at securing a .eu name." You'll see the same dialog on the International Trademark Association mailing list. I don't set up EU corporations, nor do I assist in filing Benelux TM applications, so it was no skin off my nose what people chose to do. I don't think you understand where I'm coming from. You seem outraged, today, at a train wreck which was clearly predictable months and months ago. If you like history, then read what I wrote about the foolishness of sunrise periods six years ago: http://www.icann.org/dnso/wgb-report...tm#Attachment3 Quote:
My objection is that the Eurid rules themselves were bogus - they were stupid rules written by stupid people, and they are yielding stupid results. Quote:
It's just an odd fact of sovereignty that countries can set up their legal system however they'd like. Concerning US states in our federal system, the same thing applies. My wife and I were married in Nevada because it was quick, cheap, and simple. I really don't feel like my marriage is thus "bogus". Quote:
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I didn't, and won't, make one thin dime off of the .eu launch, but I had no illusions that the rules were screwed from the get-go. It's not just Benelux that has a screwy TM registration system. France also hands them out for virtually nothing, but they move slower. If you look back at, for example, the paint.biz STOP proceeding, you'll notice that it was premised on a perfectly valid French TM registration. The problem is that the TM nazis have invested decades of effort into skewing rules in various countries in what they perceived to be their advantage, and now its biting them in the ass with domain name launch proceedings, because the "wrong" people have figured out their game. Too bad, so sad. Quote:
https://sos-res.state.de.us/tin/EntitySearch.jsp
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Country: | Re: Americans stealing .EUropean virtual properties? Great points made. I'm glad I won't be watching the Superbowl :-D
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DNF$: 6,573 Location: Washington,DC | Re: Americans stealing .EUropean virtual properties? Quote:
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| Philadelphia Lawyer | Re: Americans stealing .EUropean virtual properties? To be clear, the whois data I posted above was from one of the "expired" applications for chocolate.eu, not the "accepted" one. Not having followed the .eu shenanigans closely, since I have no interest in it, and none of my clients engaged me to deal with it, I will admit that I find their whois system to be confusing. But I don't find the .eu application process, or how it was utilized by anyone, to be the great moral issue of our time. I mean, good golly, my country is being run by nutjobs and I'm supposed to get into a huff over something as inane as whether names in some TLD are being allocated according to some definition of "fair"? I've thought about the problem for going on 7 or 8 years now, and I still am mystified over the various conflicting notions that people have about "fair" domain name allocation. It's like the scene in It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World where Buddy Hackett finally can't handle all of the different schemes for figuring out how to divvy up the cash. If you haven't seen that movie, by all means rent it. Superbowl? What's a Superbowl?
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| Exclusive Lifetime Member Last Online: Yesterday 11:20 PM iTrader: (9) Join Date: Jun 2004
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Country: | Re: Americans stealing .EUropean virtual properties? Score is 7-3 (Pittsburg) as of the start of the second half.
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DNF$: 6,573 Location: Washington,DC | Re: Americans stealing .EUropean virtual properties? Quote:
Mark, one minute after you made your posting, you were incorrect. It is now 14 - 3 - Pittsburgh. ![]() | |
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Country: | Re: Americans stealing .EUropean virtual properties? I wonder if superbowl.eu is worth anything :-D
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