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**Whois-Search** · 04-24-2005, 11:52 AM

This weeks BBC Click Online has an interview with Benjamin Cohen and Nominet:

http://stream.servstream.com/ViewWeb...rm?Media=59137

(Requires Real player)

and how hes going to fight the decision in the high court.

Nice to see the Nominet office at last !

http://www.bbc.co.uk/clickonline/

**csite.net** · 04-24-2005, 12:24 PM

how old is that guy? i wonder why he didn't sell it here

instead of to napster!

ezimedia · 04-26-2005, 04:03 AM

HI

After listening to that I think he could have NEG with apple and leased them the name for say 10-20 years and sign a contract and charge a monthly fee to Apple for using the domain name.. and also as part of the deal I would have asked for a back link from the domain name to my other major domain name....

This could have worked out well for him..

Thanks
Tom Dahne

**csite.net** · 04-26-2005, 04:42 AM

He is clearly very cocky guy, think he can win vs nominet and apple. I think he lives in a dream. I am on the side of apple on this issue! He clearly didn't think about it properly and apple is doing the right thing.

ezimedia · 04-26-2005, 05:37 AM

HI

How can apple be doing the right thing when this guy came up with the term Itune first way before Apple even did... He registered the Itunes.co.uk before apple even came out with the term Itune/s

So I think it is just another big player/company trying to muscle a small guy out of a domain name...

And why did they offer him 5000 $UK in the first place if they had/have the right to the domain name in the first place...

I think he got ripped off

Thanks
Tom Dahne

**csite.net** · 04-26-2005, 05:48 AM

Not really, its his fault for pointing it to napster! Apple didn't care much before he done that! Then he is coky enough to come out and say he is taking legal action vs nominet for telling him what to do!

Itunes being a tm of apple, they have every right to complain about them doing that! He was trying to get the maximum amount of money from the name by selling to a competitor and not caring much about the consequences.

Its abit like having internetexplorer.co.uk before microsoft then point / offer to sell it to netscape!

ezimedia · 04-26-2005, 05:56 AM

HI

Itune/s was not a TM to apple when he first registered the domain name.... And why could he not point the domain name to napster if he felt like doing so... Who has the right to tell a domain name owner where to point ones domain names to.

If Apple trade Marked the term Itune/s before he registered the domain name then I would agree with you... 100% but as they did not I think apple really had no leg to stand on... They just pushed their weight around because they knew they would win in the end.

But I agree it was wrong for him to offer the domain name to napster and he should have NEG with Apple more for a fair deal..

But the offer Apple made him in the first place really was just peanuts....

To apple $50k UK would have been nothing... and they should just have paid his asking price if they wanted it so bad.

Other wise they would have come up with a differnet term then Itune/s

Thanks
Tom Dahne

**csite.net** · 04-26-2005, 06:07 AM

itunes tm registered on 24.10.2000 Link to tm date , itunes.co.uk registered on 7th november 2000 ie 7.11.2000

Also nominet reserves the right to withdraw your domain from you! i don't see his case for action vs them at all. Complete waste of money if he does as its virtually 99.99% chance he will lose!

Mr. Deleted · 04-27-2005, 01:03 PM

I started a thread a while back on this: http://www.dnforum.com/showthread.ph...e+itunes.co.uk

**jberryhill** · 04-27-2005, 01:29 PM

Quote:

when this guy came up with the term Itune first way before Apple even did

As noted in the actual dates above, this fallacy is an enduring part of the hype around the itunes.co.uk dispute.

Quote:

And why did they offer him 5000 $UK in the first place if they had/have the right to the domain name in the first place...

Because pursuing a domain name dispute easily costs that much. An offer of settlement is not an admission that one's case is weak.

**GeorgeK** · 04-27-2005, 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jberryhill

Because pursuing a domain name dispute easily costs that much. An offer of settlement is not an admission that one's case is weak.

Very true. 90% of cases get settled before they ever reach a judge/jury, and probably 99% of potential cases get settled before becoming a case.

It's the really unreasonable people who we have to thank for making up the case law!

**Dave Zan** · 04-27-2005, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeorgeK

It's the really unreasonable people who we have to thank for making up the case law!

Unreasonable? Or those who have "strong principles"? :-D

**GeorgeK** · 04-27-2005, 01:47 PM

hehe Both.

(notice the 'wink' I posted after that sentence)

Mr. Deleted · 04-27-2005, 01:47 PM

Fromm what I understand, he only asked 50K when they lowballed him with 5K.

04-24-2005, 11:52 AM	#1 (permalink)
Whois-Search Platinum Lifetime Member Last Online: 11-19-2009 05:04 AM iTrader: (0) Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 3,123 DNF$: 1,157 Country:	BBC Click Online itunes.co.uk interview This weeks BBC Click Online has an interview with Benjamin Cohen and Nominet: http://stream.servstream.com/ViewWeb...rm?Media=59137 (Requires Real player) and how hes going to fight the decision in the high court. Nice to see the Nominet office at last ! http://www.bbc.co.uk/clickonline/ __________________ www.whois-search.com and www.domain-shop.co.uk Last edited by Whois-Search; 04-24-2005 at 11:56 AM..

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csite.net mobimasters.net Last Online: 09-25-2009 09:29 AM iTrader: (54) Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 1,807 DNF$: 2,777 Location: London Country:	Re: BBC Click Online itunes.co.uk interview how old is that guy? i wonder why he didn't sell it here instead of to napster! __________________ premiumkeywords.co.uk \| payperclick.biz

04-26-2005, 04:03 AM	#3 (permalink)
ezimedia DNF Member Last Online: 11-22-2009 08:39 AM iTrader: (43) Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 841 DNF$: 111 Location: Australia	Re: BBC Click Online itunes.co.uk interview HI After listening to that I think he could have NEG with apple and leased them the name for say 10-20 years and sign a contract and charge a monthly fee to Apple for using the domain name.. and also as part of the deal I would have asked for a back link from the domain name to my other major domain name.... This could have worked out well for him.. Thanks Tom Dahne __________________ Free Directory Submitter - More Free Seo Tools - Free Forum Poster Software Weight Lifting Books - Weight Lifting Information

04-26-2005, 04:42 AM	#4 (permalink)
csite.net mobimasters.net Last Online: 09-25-2009 09:29 AM iTrader: (54) Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 1,807 DNF$: 2,777 Location: London Country:	Re: BBC Click Online itunes.co.uk interview He is clearly very cocky guy, think he can win vs nominet and apple. I think he lives in a dream. I am on the side of apple on this issue! He clearly didn't think about it properly and apple is doing the right thing. __________________ premiumkeywords.co.uk \| payperclick.biz

04-26-2005, 05:37 AM	#5 (permalink)
ezimedia DNF Member Last Online: 11-22-2009 08:39 AM iTrader: (43) Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 841 DNF$: 111 Location: Australia	Re: BBC Click Online itunes.co.uk interview HI How can apple be doing the right thing when this guy came up with the term Itune first way before Apple even did... He registered the Itunes.co.uk before apple even came out with the term Itune/s So I think it is just another big player/company trying to muscle a small guy out of a domain name... And why did they offer him 5000 $UK in the first place if they had/have the right to the domain name in the first place... I think he got ripped off Thanks Tom Dahne __________________ Free Directory Submitter - More Free Seo Tools - Free Forum Poster Software Weight Lifting Books - Weight Lifting Information

04-26-2005, 05:48 AM	#6 (permalink)
csite.net mobimasters.net Last Online: 09-25-2009 09:29 AM iTrader: (54) Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 1,807 DNF$: 2,777 Location: London Country:	Re: BBC Click Online itunes.co.uk interview Not really, its his fault for pointing it to napster! Apple didn't care much before he done that! Then he is coky enough to come out and say he is taking legal action vs nominet for telling him what to do! Itunes being a tm of apple, they have every right to complain about them doing that! He was trying to get the maximum amount of money from the name by selling to a competitor and not caring much about the consequences. Its abit like having internetexplorer.co.uk before microsoft then point / offer to sell it to netscape! __________________ premiumkeywords.co.uk \| payperclick.biz

04-26-2005, 05:56 AM	#7 (permalink)
ezimedia DNF Member Last Online: 11-22-2009 08:39 AM iTrader: (43) Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 841 DNF$: 111 Location: Australia	Re: BBC Click Online itunes.co.uk interview HI Itune/s was not a TM to apple when he first registered the domain name.... And why could he not point the domain name to napster if he felt like doing so... Who has the right to tell a domain name owner where to point ones domain names to. If Apple trade Marked the term Itune/s before he registered the domain name then I would agree with you... 100% but as they did not I think apple really had no leg to stand on... They just pushed their weight around because they knew they would win in the end. But I agree it was wrong for him to offer the domain name to napster and he should have NEG with Apple more for a fair deal.. But the offer Apple made him in the first place really was just peanuts.... To apple $50k UK would have been nothing... and they should just have paid his asking price if they wanted it so bad. Other wise they would have come up with a differnet term then Itune/s Thanks Tom Dahne __________________ Free Directory Submitter - More Free Seo Tools - Free Forum Poster Software Weight Lifting Books - Weight Lifting Information

04-26-2005, 06:07 AM	#8 (permalink)
csite.net mobimasters.net Last Online: 09-25-2009 09:29 AM iTrader: (54) Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 1,807 DNF$: 2,777 Location: London Country:	Re: BBC Click Online itunes.co.uk interview itunes tm registered on 24.10.2000 Link to tm date , itunes.co.uk registered on 7th november 2000 ie 7.11.2000 Also nominet reserves the right to withdraw your domain from you! i don't see his case for action vs them at all. Complete waste of money if he does as its virtually 99.99% chance he will lose! __________________ premiumkeywords.co.uk \| payperclick.biz Last edited by CSite.Net; 04-26-2005 at 07:06 AM..

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Mr. Deleted 888-MRDELETED Name: Joseph Slabaugh Last Online: 05-01-2009 05:58 PM iTrader: (48) Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 2,947 DNF$: 124 Location: youtube.com/mrdeleted Country:	Re: BBC Click Online itunes.co.uk interview I started a thread a while back on this: http://www.dnforum.com/showthread.ph...e+itunes.co.uk __________________ Mr. Deleted, YouTube Partner http://www.dnforum.com/f283/omg-omkg...ml#post1542121 3 LLLL.coms

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GeorgeK TheBest.com Name: George Kirikos Last Online: Yesterday 11:02 PM iTrader: (2) Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 2,206 DNF$: 866 Location: Toronto, Canada Country:	Re: BBC Click Online itunes.co.uk interview hehe Both. (notice the 'wink' I posted after that sentence) __________________ George Kirikos Home Page

04-27-2005, 01:47 PM	#14 (permalink)
Mr. Deleted 888-MRDELETED Name: Joseph Slabaugh Last Online: 05-01-2009 05:58 PM iTrader: (48) Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 2,947 DNF$: 124 Location: youtube.com/mrdeleted Country:	Re: BBC Click Online itunes.co.uk interview Fromm what I understand, he only asked 50K when they lowballed him with 5K. __________________ Mr. Deleted, YouTube Partner http://www.dnforum.com/f283/omg-omkg...ml#post1542121 3 LLLL.coms

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