High Value Names Won at Snapnames, what if not delivered to me?

[slobizman]

I recently won two very high value names at snapnames (xx,xxx). They have not yet been delivered to me. snapnames is checking with enom on why, but snapnames seems concerned. The whois contact info has changed from the previous owner's name to a privacy service, yet the domain still shows as expired. So, I'm concerned too. I want the names. I have plans for them and feel I got them at a very good price.

Has there ever been cases where a winner of a snapnames auction has paid and the names are not delivered?

If so, what could cause this? The name is dropped, but would enom bend to the threats of a previous owner finding out after the drop that he's missed his chance to renew? Are there ever shenanigans at enom (or snapnames I guess) where they are contacted by someone wishing to pay more and then they are sold for a higher value and put under privacy?

If I don't get the names, and get my money back (which I'm not worried about), what recourse do I have? Especially if I cannot see who the new owner is due to privacy? It would seem that I will have been ripped off by some party however this may have played out. I don't mind paying legal fees for these prime names.

BTW, I'm not making any accusations here; just thinking this through.

EDIT TO ADD: Both names were previously owned by the same person.

[NameGuy]

My guess, enom decided to keep the names for themselves.

[slobizman]

My guess, enom decided to keep the names for themselves.

Can they do that once it goes to snapnames, and bidding has completed, with around $35,000 of winning bids for the two names?

Wouldn't that piss off snapnames, whom I'd think they want to not piss off?

[NameGuy]

These days, registrars seem to be able to do anything they want and get away with it. PM me the names, I'd like to take a look.

Got your PM. I think I know the deal. Those two names are some of the premium .INFO domains that have been tied up with Afilias because of fake trademarks files during the .INFO landrush. There are quite a few of these and what is going to happen with them is anybody's guess. I think Snap has made some mistakes recently and auctioned some of them when in reality they could not be given to an auction winner because Afilias has not released them. I read a similiar story about another Snap auction for one these recently - can't remember the domain or the forum where I read it. Bad news, I don't think you will be receiving these names. Enom has nothing to do with this fiasco.

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Here's another thread about this...

http://www.dnforum.com/f205/home-info-office-info-work-info-thread-248155.html

[slobizman]

I appreciate the info Nameguy. What a fricken bummer. I really had a good gameplan for those names. I'll update the thread on what happens, tomorrow I assume.

Sometimes I really hate the domain game.

I think I'm going out for a drink.

[NameGuy]

When you see this in the whois for the .INFO domain, you know you've found a .LIMBO not a .INFO

StatusELETE PROHIBITED
Status:RENEW PROHIBITED
Status:TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Status:UPDATE PROHIBITED

I really had a good gameplan for those names.

Yea, I think any of us could find a good plan for those names.

Sorry for the bad news. Keep at it...

[slobizman]

So, it's official. The names are not going to be released to me I called the .info regristry yesterday and the woman told me that enom had coincidentally just given them a call, at the request of the snapnames query. They told enom that they should not have been released to auction. So, snapnames didn't do anything wrong, relying on enom to give them the right information.

What a bummer.I get my $35K back, but I'd rather have the names.

[katherine]

Guess what: there are other expiring names that will meet the same fate

[slobizman]

Hey, also with snapnames, can someone explain something here that someone pointed out to me in a PM about the auction for Government.info I was in? Notice there is no "bum" in the initial bidding. I had the second highest bid. Then Piety took over and won. But, then his payment failed. THEN, instead of awarding me the name, this guy "bum" shows up and takes the name. What the hell? Can someone explain this to me before I contact snapnames and ask them about it?


Bidder Date Bid Amount Comment
bum 10-Sep-2007 14:40 PDT $13,829.00 Auction Completed

bum 10-Sep-2007 14:23 PDT $13,829.00 New Bidder Assigned

bum 10-Sep-2007 14:23 PDT -- Payment Failed

bum 10-Sep-2007 14:22 PDT $59.00 New Bidder Assigned

piety 10-Sep-2007 14:22 PDT -- Payment Failed

piety 10-Sep-2007 12:31 PDT $13,829.00 Bid Placed

slobizman 10-Sep-2007 12:31 PDT $13,329.00 Bid Placed

slobizman 10-Sep-2007 12:26 PDT $12,079.00 Bid Placed

piety 10-Sep-2007 12:26 PDT $11,579.00 Bid Placed

slobizman 10-Sep-2007 12:23 PDT $11,079.00 Bid Placed

piety 10-Sep-2007 12:23 PDT $10,579.00 Bid Placed

slobizman 10-Sep-2007 12:23 PDT $9,579.00 Bid Placed

piety 10-Sep-2007 12:23 PDT $9,329.00 Bid Placed

piety 10-Sep-2007 12:23 PDT $9,079.00 Bid Placed

slobizman 10-Sep-2007 12:22 PDT $8,829.00 Bid Placed

piety 10-Sep-2007 12:22 PDT $8,579.00 Bid Placed

slobizman 10-Sep-2007 12:22 PDT $8,579.00 Bid Placed

piety 10-Sep-2007 12:19 PDT $8,329.00 Bid Placed

slobizman 10-Sep-2007 12:19 PDT $8,079.00 Bid Placed

slobizman 10-Sep-2007 12:19 PDT $7,829.00 Bid Placed

piety 10-Sep-2007 12:16 PDT $7,579.00 Bid Placed

bart simpson 10-Sep-2007 12:16 PDT $7,329.00 Bid Placed

piety 10-Sep-2007 12:14 PDT $7,079.00 Bid Placed

bart simpson 10-Sep-2007 12:13 PDT $6,829.00 Bid Placed

piety 10-Sep-2007 12:11 PDT $6,579.00 Bid Placed

ixjr 10-Sep-2007 12:11 PDT $6,329.00 Bid Placed

piety 10-Sep-2007 12:11 PDT $6,079.00 Bid Placed

ixjr 10-Sep-2007 12:10 PDT $5,829.00 Bid Placed

piety 10-Sep-2007 12:10 PDT $5,579.00 Bid Placed

ixjr 10-Sep-2007 12:10 PDT $5,329.00 Bid Placed

piety 10-Sep-2007 12:10 PDT $5,250.00 Bid Placed

ixjr 10-Sep-2007 12:10 PDT $4,800.00 Bid Placed

piety 10-Sep-2007 12:10 PDT $4,700.00 Bid Placed

ixjr 10-Sep-2007 12:09 PDT $4,400.00 Bid Placed

piety 10-Sep-2007 12:09 PDT $4,300.00 Bid Placed

ixjr 10-Sep-2007 12:09 PDT $3,800.00 Bid Placed

piety 10-Sep-2007 12:09 PDT $3,700.00 Bid Placed

ixjr 10-Sep-2007 12:09 PDT $3,400.00 Bid Placed

piety 10-Sep-2007 12:07 PDT $3,300.00 Bid Placed

sjm211 10-Sep-2007 12:07 PDT $3,200.00 Bid Placed

sjm211 10-Sep-2007 12:03 PDT $3,000.00 Bid Placed

eric1511 10-Sep-2007 12:03 PDT $2,900.00 Bid Placed

sjm211 10-Sep-2007 11:51 PDT $2,800.00 Bid Placed

eric1511 10-Sep-2007 11:51 PDT $2,800.00 Bid Placed

sjm211 10-Sep-2007 11:47 PDT $2,700.00 Bid Placed

eric1511 10-Sep-2007 11:47 PDT $2,600.00 Bid Placed

sjm211 10-Sep-2007 11:46 PDT $2,500.00 Bid Placed

eric1511 10-Sep-2007 11:46 PDT $2,450.00 Bid Placed

sjm211 10-Sep-2007 11:46 PDT $2,350.00 Bid Placed

eric1511 10-Sep-2007 11:46 PDT $2,300.00 Bid Placed

sjm211 10-Sep-2007 11:46 PDT $2,250.00 Bid Placed

eric1511 10-Sep-2007 11:46 PDT $2,200.00 Bid Placed

sjm211 10-Sep-2007 11:46 PDT $2,150.00 Bid Placed

eric1511 10-Sep-2007 11:46 PDT $2,100.00 Bid Placed

sjm211 10-Sep-2007 11:46 PDT $2,050.00 Bid Placed

eric1511 10-Sep-2007 11:46 PDT $2,000.00 Bid Placed

sjm211 10-Sep-2007 11:46 PDT $1,950.00 Bid Placed

eric1511 10-Sep-2007 11:46 PDT $1,900.00 Bid Placed

sjm211 10-Sep-2007 11:46 PDT $1,850.00 Bid Placed

eric1511 10-Sep-2007 11:46 PDT $1,800.00 Bid Placed

sjm211 10-Sep-2007 11:46 PDT $1,750.00 Bid Placed

eric1511 10-Sep-2007 11:46 PDT $1,700.00 Bid Placed

sjm211 10-Sep-2007 11:45 PDT $1,650.00 Bid Placed

eric1511 10-Sep-2007 11:45 PDT $1,600.00 Bid Placed

sjm211 10-Sep-2007 11:32 PDT $1,550.00 Bid Placed

pcp1 10-Sep-2007 11:32 PDT $1,500.00 Bid Placed

sjm211 10-Sep-2007 11:32 PDT $1,350.00 Bid Placed

pcp1 10-Sep-2007 11:32 PDT $1,300.00 Bid Placed

sjm211 10-Sep-2007 11:32 PDT $1,250.00 Bid Placed

pcp1 10-Sep-2007 11:32 PDT $1,200.00 Bid Placed

sjm211 10-Sep-2007 10:45 PDT $1,050.00 Bid Placed

davy 10-Sep-2007 10:45 PDT $1,000.00 Bid Placed

sjm211 10-Sep-2007 06:44 PDT $625.00 Bid Placed

pcp1 10-Sep-2007 06:44 PDT $600.00 Bid Placed

pcp1 08-Sep-2007 11:46 PDT $379.00 Bid Placed

realestatebr 07-Sep-2007 13:04 PDT $354.00 Bid Placed

ixjr 07-Sep-2007 13:04 PDT $329.00 Bid Placed

realestatebr 07-Sep-2007 13:04 PDT $305.00 Bid Placed

ixjr 07-Sep-2007 12:27 PDT $280.00 Bid Placed

akc2000 07-Sep-2007 12:27 PDT $255.00 Bid Placed

akc2000 07-Sep-2007 12:27 PDT $184.00 Bid Placed

ixjr 07-Sep-2007 12:27 PDT $174.00 Bid Placed

akc2000 07-Sep-2007 12:01 PDT $104.00 Initial Bid

erroneous 07-Sep-2007 12:01 PDT $99.00 Initial Bid

someone 07-Sep-2007 12:01 PDT $76.00 Initial Bid

landaum 07-Sep-2007 12:01 PDT $61.00 Initial Bid

dar-mar 07-Sep-2007 12:01 PDT $61.00 Initial Bid

nepomukel 07-Sep-2007 12:01 PDT $60.00 Initial Bid

ezimedia2006 07-Sep-2007 12:01 PDT $60.00 Initial Bid

beaker 07-Sep-2007 12:01 PDT $60.00 Initial Bid

bart simpson 07-Sep-2007 12:01 PDT $60.00 Initial Bid

jehu2 07-Sep-2007 12:01 PDT $60.00 Initial Bid

42sn 07-Sep-2007 12:01 PDT $60.00 Initial Bid

piety 07-Sep-2007 12:01 PDT $60.00 Initial Bid

dnsphere 07-Sep-2007 12:01 PDT $60.00 Initial Bid

sjm211 07-Sep-2007 12:01 PDT $60.00 Initial Bid

accilent 07-Sep-2007 12:01 PDT $60.00 Initial Bid

pcp1 07-Sep-2007 12:01 PDT $60.00 Initial Bid

gator 07-Sep-2007 12:01 PDT $60.00 Initial Bid

dominc 07-Sep-2007 12:01 PDT $60.00 Initial Bid

realestatebr 07-Sep-2007 12:01 PDT $59.00 Initial Bid

eric1511 07-Sep-2007 12:01 PDT $59.00 Initial Bid

slobizman 07-Sep-2007 12:01 PDT $59.00 Initial Bid

yofie.com 07-Sep-2007 12:01 PDT $59.00 Initial Bid

ville73 07-Sep-2007 12:01 PDT $59.00 Initial Bid

gwuz 07-Sep-2007 12:01 PDT $59.00 Initial Bid

ixjr 07-Sep-2007 12:01 PDT $59.00 Initial Bid

markith15 07-Sep-2007 12:01 PDT $59.00 Initial Bid

anatoly 07-Sep-2007 12:01 PDT $59.00 Initial Bid

michel1969 07-Sep-2007 12:01 PDT $59.00 Initial Bid

alias 07-Sep-2007 12:01 PDT $59.00 Initial Bid

davy 07-Sep-2007 12:01 PDT $59.00 Initial Bid

mixalakis 07-Sep-2007 12:01 PDT $59.00 Initial Bid

jagusa 07-Sep-2007 12:01 PDT $59.00 Initial Bid

lynchq 07-Sep-2007 12:01 PDT $59.00 Initial Bid

creekway 07-Sep-2007 12:01 PDT $59.00 Initial Bid

webcr 07-Sep-2007 12:01 PDT $59.00 Initial Bid

8lislcim 07-Sep-2007 12:01 PDT $59.00 Initial Bid

btrader 07-Sep-2007 12:01 PDT $59.00 Initial Bid

a8i3o7 07-Sep-2007 12:01 PDT $59.00 Initial Bid

----- I hope this is not automerged with my last post:

It turns out that those two top bidders are partners, and they requested the substitution of accounts before the auction ended. meaning they wanted the different registration in the account details.