[M] Mimimise [dot] com - One Word Generic Dictionary Word - Massive!

[petrosc]

just a note to the above comments, I am currently not in a position to pursue anything regarding this case, until the 2nd of July. I will do my best to verify the information AlienGG has provided me starting from that date.

[Banned: AlienGG]

Originally Posted by Focus

So again, HOW DID YOU GET THE DOMAIN THEN? lmfao

please wait for petros.

[namestrands]

Why wait.. the evidence appears to be conclusive, your misdirection tactics only serve to further prove guilt.

You have been tried by a Jury of your Peers, and its a unanimous "Guilty as Charged"

[Focus]

Why drag him (petro) into this...dude, either you bought it or you stole it..it's not brain surgery..enough with the BS man!

[Johnn]

Originally Posted by Focus

Why drag him (petro) into this...dude, either you bought it or you stole it..it's not brain surgery..enough with the BS man!

May be he did not steal it directly! so it's not a %100 stealing.

[petrosc]

He asked for my help and I offered to help him because of the slight chance that he might be wrongfully charged. I explained that I am drowning in work until the 2nd of july so after that I will do my best to verify the source AlienGG claims to have bought the domain from.

[GAMEFINEST]

Hey Petros, we will wait for an answer by you as you are now representing G

[victimlesscrime]

I'm simply dumbfounded that I am now being accused of falsifying an IP which just happens to be a perfect match.

Believe me, I don't know enough about computers to do that. Nor do I know anyone who does.

The info I posted was copied/pasted directly from an email I received from a Network Solutions "Quality Processing Specialist".

Aliengg, whether you stole it or not, the domain is stolen and I think people here can see that.

If you bought it from a thief (who just happens to have the same IP, cough), you should take issue with them for selling you a stolen domain and you should just return it to its rightful owner.
It's called "doing the right thing" in case you hadn't heard.

As for your methodology of contacting Petros and putting the responsibility of settling the issue on his shoulders, I think that's nonsense. No offense to you Petros but it's not your responsibility to bring the gavel down and I don't think you should have to.

Donnacha.

[Focus]

Petro, personally I would not get involved with this trickery..if he "bought" it from someone then he needs to inform us if this person or entity is ending up with stolen domain names...the burden should not fall on you to discern between his being full of sh-t or not...it's a bad move imo brother, and you are very respected here and a very honest and well known member...I would hate to see your name tarnished by being fed misinformation in this case.

[Johnn]

I don't really understand with all the kicking around the bush here.

It is BLACK and WHITE as simple as 'Did you buy or steal the name? and if you did not steal it then who did you buy it from'

Agreed that no one else should volunteer to be on either side.

Just a simple answer.

[jberryhill]

So the email was created from the whois, clicked the forgot password, password sent to that email address ....someone went in....hacked into the account, changed passwords, stole the domain name ......i hate to say this but his one smart cookie ...

Taking over dis-used hotmail/yahoo/aol/earthlink/etc. admin contact email addresses is a fairly common hi-jacking technique.

It is a requirement of maintaining a domain registration for the registrant to maintain up-to-date and complete registration data. Breach of that obligation provides the registrar with the discretion to revoke the domain name registration. It does not, however, vest third parties with a right to falsely represent themselves as the registrant. The option to void the registration contract rests solely with the registrar, and was not exercised in this instance.

What are you talking about?? Totally untrue!
If that's the case, NetSol could have retrieved it back per ICANN policy already!

Under what ICANN policy? First off, if it was done through the expired admin contact email address, that is a contact on which the registrars are entitled to rely. That facet of ICANN policy does not rule out a subsidiary identity theft, which is what the use of the expired email address boils down to. Second, invocation of the TDRS is entirely discretionary with the registrars. Just because NSI could hypothetically complain, but didn't, is not evidence that the name was not hi-jacked. For a $20 contract, it is not cost-effective for them to bother.

AlienGG's representation to have registered the domain name using "a script" of some unidentified sort is not credible. The domain name appears to have been transferred out of NSI a day before it would otherwise have gone into redemption. Given that NSI ships names directly from redemption to SnapNames, and earns a lot of revenue by so doing, the notion that NSI's system malfunctioned in some way is extremely improbable at best.

If one is using the "stale admin email" method of domain hi-jacking, on the other hand, it is prudent to wait until the last possible minute to pull off the hi-jacking. The assumption there, of course, would be that the registrant had died, moved on, or otherwise didn't care about the domain name enough to renew it. Again, those circumstances are not an excuse for identity theft.

I will do my best to verify the source AlienGG claims to have bought the domain from.

Is he now claiming that he bought the domain? That was not his original claim.

however, in addition to a copy of your first request, you also sent me a C&D which really really disappointed and upset me. you would have had that domain more than a month ago if you just resent me the request email leaving alone the C&D. your threat only made things worse.

Bullshit. Even if, through some dubious miracle, you did not hi-jack the name, you understand perfectly well that all of the relevant circumstances here point toward a reasonable conclusion that you did hi-jack the domain name. Whether someone hurt your feelings is irrelevant (aside from which you posted a legal threat right here in this thread).

So, let's boil this down to its essence. You are claiming that you know the domain name was misappropriated, and that you would be willing to transfer the domain name back, but for the fact that the person from whom it was stolen demanded that you do so?

I'm not buying that.

[GAMEFINEST]

Take this to people courts, we ll have this knocked out in 10 minutes plus the commercials

[petrosc]

Originally Posted by jberryhill

Is he now claiming that he bought the domain? That was not his original claim.

The original claim did not change, he says he backordered the domain from the service I PMed you earlier today. I am not taking anyone's side nor will I hesitate to point my finger at anyone. I am trying to verify his claim out of good will and since I am the only one besides you who knows which service this is then we are the only people who can get to the bottom of this.

I will not be discussing anymore I have lost enough time and I dont have much of it either. I am not AlienGG's attorney and I am certainly not defending him. Since he will not say who he has bought it from publicly, somebody who you can trust has to do the verification

[TheLegendaryJP]

All he has to do is post or send an email of payment with blocked out info or give you Susans phone number, this is now a f*ucking joke ! It is literally that simple. If he has not provided either then what the hell could he have sent you ? The same BS he sent me that proved NOTHING !

[Banned: danielg]

Originally Posted by GAMEFINEST

Take this to people courts, we ll have this knocked out in 10 minutes plus the commercials

ill run the commercials

[namestrands]

Originally Posted by Johnn

May be he did not steal it directly! so it's not a %100 stealing.

Theft is theft, regardless if it is 1% or 100%

[jberryhill]

The original claim did not change, he says he backordered the domain from the service I PMed you earlier today.

The claim is not credible, independent of the legitimacy of a webpage in a language which I do not even remotely understand.

The name didn't drop. The name did not enter Redemption, nor PendingDelete. NSI has an exclusive deal with SnapNames. With the exception of a name-so-awful-nobody-would-ever-want, I do not find it at all credible that this went through a non-Snap "backordering service".

Adding to the incredibility of that point is the fact that the "service" in question is an affiliate of a registrar that is in no way reflected in the historical whois data here.

So, at least as much as I can understand of the link you sent me, provides another reason to doubt the credibility of the claim here.

I am not taking anyone's side nor will I hesitate to point my finger at anyone.

I understand your point. What I have posted is my opinion that AlienGG's claims are nigh unto impossible to believe.

I am trying to verify his claim out of good will and since I am the only one besides you who knows which service this is then we are the only people who can get to the bottom of this.

I cannot read the page in question, and cannot opine on whether a backordering service of any kind is purportedly offered there.

Let me put it this way. Independent of whether there is a backordering service at an obscure registrar affiliate, an "investigation" of whether or not there is one there will not answer the salient and blitheringly apparent observation that this name was controlled via a dead hotmail email address, and it was transferred out of NSI the day before it would have gone into redemption. That's not backordering.

If AlienGG claimed that he obtained the domain name by offering incense to Vishnu, I would not suggest that you check out the validity of his claim by investigating whether Hinduism is a valid religion. Certainly, there are hundreds of millions of adherents to Hinduism which believe in it fervently, and I am not in a position to evaluate their claims. What I do know, however, is that burning incense to Vishnu is not a valid method of acquiring a domain name.

On edit: About five minutes after I posted this, the "backordering service" appears to have turned into a non-working address.

[VirtualT]

Originally Posted by AlienGG

he's got my emails. that's a possibility.

I don't think so, my understanding is that a TCP/IP connection cannot be spoofed (otherwise the return packets end up in the wrong place), unless the attacker was using your machine as a proxy.

[petrosc]

I understand what you are saying John and I agree. However there is a possibility that AlienGG has purchased the domain from that service or whatever that is and that needs to be clarified. I cannot rule out the possibility that it might be them who were involved in the hijacking, although this is a very remote chance as the price according to Alien was very low and I don't know who would do that for a few bucks.
I just want you all to understand that these are serious accusations that will ruin someone's reputation and stigmatize him forever, and that is the least that could happen to him. And while I know that almost everything points to Alien, we must rule out every possibility before we judge him.

This is all that I have to say.

Regarding proof of purchase, he will send me the credit card statement today, which however does not prove anything nor states what he has purchased. I asked for the receipt from that company, but AlienGG says that he did not print it and they did not send a copy by mail like normal services do. It is up to him to get ahold of the receipt of payment and then the next step is to verify with that company that the payment was indeed made for minimise.com .which will only raise more questions, however AlienGG will not be the one to blame.

If I am missing something or am wrong, please let me know

[TheLegendaryJP]

Petro, ask him for Susans phone number. If he can't provgide one and have his rep. cleared in 5 mins. it speaks volumes. He sent me the same BS blocked out typed up himself non proof. You are wasting your time.

Grant give Petro the phone number for Susan.

John, you are bringing up issues that I first did way back and it was the next day after confronting him that he switched painkillers.com to godaddy and went private. Furthermore he first lied and told me on the phone he simply called the whois number and bought it that turned into his " magical methods " then it was a script now its bought from Susan directly. This guy is so smart he forgets his own lies or changes them as they are disproved. I say give this guy 1 day to provide Susan's contact and a REAL proof of purchase or be banned and branded for life as a POS thief. The fact he stole minimise.com quite clearly shows it's now a no brainer regardless of any legit names.