NYPD - Need your opinions - Just got a letter from NY's "Law Dept" - DNForum - Domain Sales, Domain Forum, Domain Appraisals, Domain Registrars

**JuniperPark** · 03-18-2005, 03:49 PM

I recently purchased NYPD.info.

What's your option on the ability to own/develop this name?

My thoughts:

1) My understanding was that a government or municipality could not own a trademark on their name, including the initials. Their letter clearly states the city of New York "owns all trademarks related to the New York Police Department (NYPD)"

2) NYPD has been used my many firms, including the famous "NYPD Blue" tV show, which is not related and in fact often portrays the New York Police Dept in a negative light. There are also entire clothing lines with the NYPD letters.

3) NYPD.com clearly states that it is NOT associated with the New York Police Department.

4) If, indeed a local government can own a city name or a city department name, a huge number of domains would have TM issues (SFPD, NYFD, LAFD, LAPD, SDPD, etc) in all extentions. In fact every **PD.com and **FD.com would be at risk.

5) As a .INFO investor, I am pleased to see that the .INFO space is getting a lot of attention!!

Your thoughts?

**Duke** · 03-18-2005, 04:08 PM

I owned NYPD.info myself and gave it to the NY Police Department last year! I have to assume they didn't sell it to you, so I can only guess they let it drop! How weird. Wonder if that has any bearing on their legal claim, considering they had it in their hands and didn't even bother to renew it. Someone dropped the ball somewhere.

**jberryhill** · 03-18-2005, 04:12 PM

Interesting....

Serial Number: 76342567

Registration Number: (NOT AVAILABLE)

Mark (words only): NYPD

Standard Character claim: No

Current Status: An opposition is now pending at the Trademark Trial and Appeal Board.

Owner (APPLICANT) City of New York MUNICIPAL CORPORATION NEW YORK 100 Church Steet New York NEW YORK 10007

-=------------------

Word Mark NYPD NEW YORK PIZZA DINER
Goods and Services IC 042. US 100 101. G & S: Italian restaurant. FIRST USE: 19960601. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19960601
Mark Drawing Code (3) DESIGN PLUS WORDS, LETTERS, AND/OR NUMBERS
Design Search Code 080112
Serial Number 75352702
Filing Date June 2, 1997
Current Filing Basis 1A
Original Filing Basis 1A
Published for Opposition July 21, 1998
Registration Number 2195754
Registration Date October 13, 1998

**JuniperPark** · 03-18-2005, 04:17 PM

Duke -

Yes, it was caught at a drop. That's a strange history!

I could have some fun with them... tell them I got it for $20 from a clerk in the NYPD office.... or some shady guy in Tampa

**fatter** · 03-18-2005, 04:32 PM

cant help you, I just no nypd and nyfd make a lot of money through sales of hats and shirts and other emblems, I would assume money goes to their benevolent associations

**Dave Zan** · 03-18-2005, 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jberryhill

Current Status: An opposition is now pending at the Trademark Trial and Appeal Board.

Why the "opposition"?

**jberryhill** · 03-18-2005, 08:49 PM

Quote:

Why the "opposition"?

Don't know. But when you find out that the person asking you for something is in the midst of a legal dispute with someone you don't know, would you take what that person says to you for granted?

**MediaHound** · 03-18-2005, 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JuniperPark

I could have some fun with them... tell them I got it for $20 from a clerk in the NYPD office

You would even think of somthing like that?
That's messed up.
Why put some innocent clerksperson through that?

And before you say it was just a joke, this isn't the humor forum.

**trader** · 03-18-2005, 09:32 PM

JuniperPark is not a non-profit charitable organization as Duke was when he gave the name away free, and Duke does not even live in NY.

**Acro** · 03-19-2005, 11:34 PM

Put up a page that shows current info about NYPD's affiliation with the mafia and they will stfu.

**NexSite** · 03-21-2005, 08:52 AM

Actually, I think it stands for

Not Your Phucking Domain.anymore

**Acro** · 03-21-2005, 09:07 AM

ROFLMAO that was classic.

**JuniperPark** · 03-21-2005, 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NexSite

Actually, I think it stands for

Not Your Phucking Domain.anymore

I LOVE IT!

Post of the Day!

Thank you!

**Restecpa** · 03-30-2005, 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NexSite

Actually, I think it stands for

Not Your Phucking Domain.anymore

Hahah.. I somehow doubt that would support ones claim as far as not acting in bad faith goes. I wonder why

**NexSite** · 03-30-2005, 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Restecpa

Hahah.. I somehow doubt that would support ones claim as far as not acting in bad faith goes. I wonder why

NYPD NowYourPlayingDumb.stupid : ) <jk>

Im 100% sure that wasn't going to be used as a defense.

**Restecpa** · 03-30-2005, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NexSite

Im 100% sure that wasn't going to be used as a defense.

You think?

Anyway, good luck fighting them. Keep us posted.

03-18-2005, 03:49 PM	#1 (permalink)
JuniperPark Last Online: 11-20-2009 08:56 PM iTrader: (86) Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 2,478 DNF$: 3,134 Location: San Diego, CA Country:	NYPD - Need your opinions - Just got a letter from NY's "Law Dept" I recently purchased NYPD.info. What's your option on the ability to own/develop this name? My thoughts: 1) My understanding was that a government or municipality could not own a trademark on their name, including the initials. Their letter clearly states the city of New York "owns all trademarks related to the New York Police Department (NYPD)" 2) NYPD has been used my many firms, including the famous "NYPD Blue" tV show, which is not related and in fact often portrays the New York Police Dept in a negative light. There are also entire clothing lines with the NYPD letters. 3) NYPD.com clearly states that it is NOT associated with the New York Police Department. 4) If, indeed a local government can own a city name or a city department name, a huge number of domains would have TM issues (SFPD, NYFD, LAFD, LAPD, SDPD, etc) in all extentions. In fact every PD.com and FD.com would be at risk. 5) As a .INFO investor, I am pleased to see that the .INFO space is getting a lot of attention!! Your thoughts? __________________ *The only domain reseller BRAVE* enough to post prices: TheNameStore.com** ][

03-18-2005, 04:08 PM	#2 (permalink)
Duke DNF Addict Last Online: 11-19-2009 07:45 AM iTrader: (20) Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 5,753 DNF$: 6,442 Location: Florida	Re: NYPD - Need your opinions - Just got a letter from NY's "Law Dept" I owned NYPD.info myself and gave it to the NY Police Department last year! I have to assume they didn't sell it to you, so I can only guess they let it drop! How weird. Wonder if that has any bearing on their legal claim, considering they had it in their hands and didn't even bother to renew it. Someone dropped the ball somewhere. __________________ DNJournal.com MythBuster: Former Farmer Gregg McNair Proves Opportunties Still Abound in the Domain Business NameNewbie.com

03-18-2005, 04:12 PM	#3 (permalink)
jberryhill Philadelphia Lawyer Last Online: 09-18-2009 01:17 AM iTrader: (1) Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 2,987 DNF$: 6,350	Re: NYPD - Need your opinions - Just got a letter from NY's "Law Dept" Interesting.... Serial Number: 76342567 Registration Number: (NOT AVAILABLE) Mark (words only): NYPD Standard Character claim: No Current Status: An opposition is now pending at the Trademark Trial and Appeal Board. Owner (APPLICANT) City of New York MUNICIPAL CORPORATION NEW YORK 100 Church Steet New York NEW YORK 10007 -=------------------ Word Mark NYPD NEW YORK PIZZA DINER Goods and Services IC 042. US 100 101. G & S: Italian restaurant. FIRST USE: 19960601. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19960601 Mark Drawing Code (3) DESIGN PLUS WORDS, LETTERS, AND/OR NUMBERS Design Search Code 080112 Serial Number 75352702 Filing Date June 2, 1997 Current Filing Basis 1A Original Filing Basis 1A Published for Opposition July 21, 1998 Registration Number 2195754 Registration Date October 13, 1998 __________________ John Berryhill Ph.d., esq. John-AT-johnberryhill.com Please do not send private messages via dnforum.com, email me directly.

03-18-2005, 04:17 PM	#4 (permalink)
JuniperPark Last Online: 11-20-2009 08:56 PM iTrader: (86) Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 2,478 DNF$: 3,134 Location: San Diego, CA Country:	Re: NYPD - Need your opinions - Just got a letter from NY's "Law Dept" Duke - Yes, it was caught at a drop. That's a strange history! I could have some fun with them... tell them I got it for $20 from a clerk in the NYPD office.... or some shady guy in Tampa __________________ *The only domain reseller BRAVE* enough to post prices: TheNameStore.com** ][

03-18-2005, 04:32 PM	#5 (permalink)
fatter Gold Lifetime Member Last Online: 11-20-2009 07:11 AM iTrader: (1) Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 1,321 DNF$: 0	Re: NYPD - Need your opinions - Just got a letter from NY's "Law Dept" cant help you, I just no nypd and nyfd make a lot of money through sales of hats and shirts and other emblems, I would assume money goes to their benevolent associations

03-18-2005, 09:32 PM	#9 (permalink)
trader David Last Online: Today 02:11 AM iTrader: (78) Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 4,687 DNF$: 9,479	Re: NYPD - Need your opinions - Just got a letter from NY's "Law Dept" JuniperPark is not a non-profit charitable organization as Duke was when he gave the name away free, and Duke does not even live in NY. __________________ There are several very large corporations developing Live Apps for misc live applications. Now accepting offers. 10-year old domain: LiveApps.com

03-19-2005, 11:34 PM	#10 (permalink)
Acro Bloody lovely Last Online: Yesterday 08:07 PM iTrader: (394) Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 23,903 DNF$: 4,071 Location: USA Country:	Re: NYPD - Need your opinions - Just got a letter from NY's "Law Dept" Put up a page that shows current info about NYPD's affiliation with the mafia and they will stfu. __________________ DomainGang.com - Domainers' Most Awesome News Source Acroplex - Web & Graphics Acro.net - My Blog My Countdown Counting down to: Snapnames rebate hitting my mailbox 80 days 12 hours 10 minutes

03-21-2005, 08:52 AM	#11 (permalink)
NexSite DNF Regular Last Online: 08-05-2009 07:46 AM iTrader: (0) Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 655 DNF$: 4,030 Location: Midwest USA Country:	Re: NYPD - Need your opinions - Just got a letter from NY's "Law Dept" Actually, I think it stands for Not Your Phucking Domain.anymore

03-21-2005, 09:07 AM	#12 (permalink)
Acro Bloody lovely Last Online: Yesterday 08:07 PM iTrader: (394) Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 23,903 DNF$: 4,071 Location: USA Country:	Re: NYPD - Need your opinions - Just got a letter from NY's "Law Dept" ROFLMAO that was classic. __________________ DomainGang.com - Domainers' Most Awesome News Source Acroplex - Web & Graphics Acro.net - My Blog My Countdown Counting down to: Snapnames rebate hitting my mailbox 80 days 12 hours 10 minutes

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